Obama Tax Promise unrealistic

**blackgang** · 09-07-2009, 02:42 PM

Obama tax pledge unrealistic - White House- msnbc.com
Obama tax pledge unrealistic
Lawmakers are looking for more revenue to fund health care overhaul
updated 6:09 p.m. ET July 8, 2009
WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama promised to fix health care and trim the federal budget deficit, all without raising taxes on anyone but the wealthiest Americans. It's a promise he's already broken and will likely have to break again.
Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress have already increased tobacco taxes — which disproportionately hit the poor — to pay for extending health coverage to 4 million children in working low-income families.

Go ahead folks hit the link and then tell me all about it.

**Jet Gorgon** · 10-07-2009, 03:12 AM

^ Wot? Thought there were about 50 mil uninsured (including about 10mil illegals, and that amount again of younger folks who choose not to have coverage). The low-income kids should be covered by Medicaid. This prog will cost more than $, it will cost in actual care and hospital services.

DaffyDuck · 10-07-2009, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Wot? Thought there were about 50 mil uninsured (including about 10mil illegals, and that amount again of younger folks who choose not to have coverage). The low-income kids should be covered by Medicaid. This prog will cost more than $, it will cost in actual care and hospital services.

Wow, nice rock you must live under.

There's a ton more uninsured people living in the USA.

**Jet Gorgon** · 10-07-2009, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by DaffyDuck

Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon

^ Wot? Thought there were about 50 mil uninsured (including about 10mil illegals, and that amount again of younger folks who choose not to have coverage). The low-income kids should be covered by Medicaid. This prog will cost more than $, it will cost in actual care and hospital services.

Wow, nice rock you must live under.

There's a ton more uninsured people living in the USA.

Oh ya, the illegal immigrants.
I've seen several reports with these figures daffy, so best you come up with some data to prove your claim. These are the numbers circulating, but perhaps some newer data that only you are privy to.

Nearly 46 million Americans, or 18 percent of the population under the age of 65, were without health insurance in 2007, the latest government data available.1
NCHC | Facts About Healthcare - Health Insurance Coverage

Oh, I forgot, Obama said 47 million uninsured in June 2009. I was giving him a break. Say your mea culpas to us now, daffy.

(CNSNews.com) - The claim made by the White House this month that 46 million “Americans” lack health insurance is false because that number includes almost 10 million people who are not “Americans” but in fact citizens of foreign countries who happen to be present in the United States, according to data from the U.S. Census Bureau.

The claim was made repeatedly in a report published by the White House Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) on June 2 and again in an op-ed published the same day by Christina Romer, the chair of CEA.
White House Claim of 46 Million Uninsured 'Americans' Includes Almost 10 Million Foreigners - The Forum at GOPUSA

Number, percentage of uninsured U.S. residents decreased in 2007, according to U.S. Census Bureau

**sabang** · 10-07-2009, 07:50 AM

The 46mm uninsured Americans is one thing. The gawd knows how many underinsured Americans another- these include mainly middle class, productive people. Medical expenses are a contributory factor to an astonishing 65% of all US bankruptcies.

As I've said before, no citizen of an advanced nation deserves to live under this sort of uncertainty. As I've pointed out also, no citizen of any other advanced nation does, beside the USA. If it means employed people pay a small amount more tax, so be it. It sure beats the ever present sceptre of financial ruin.

**Jet Gorgon** · 10-07-2009, 08:13 AM

^ Any auto union workers go bankrupt, SB?

**sabang** · 10-07-2009, 08:32 AM

I'm pretty sure the UAW would have a rather good medical plan Jet.

**blackgang** · 10-07-2009, 08:42 AM

So as far as I see it, and I have not looked into it to deep really as it does not interest me as most of what is said is not factual and is just bullshit.
From what Jet says and I have lived on the Canadian border during the last 20 years and talked to Canadians and they were not real enthused with their form of health care, for the most part.
I do know that the US RailRoad workers were not in the regular US Social services and had their own health care as some others did with Kaiser Permenante and they could not choose their own hospital or doctor or treatment and is an as available service and their pension services were separate from SSA too.
Lot of folks chose HMO when they came available and no one I know of has been happy with them when a strange or expensive procedure came along or was needed, tests were not done and everything was governed by a list or rulers and regs on what is permitted and what is not.
I can see no difference with the socialized system that any country has that is administered by some fat cat setting in an office that thinks every penny spent is coming out of his graft infected pocket.
OH yes, BTW I have not mentioned Mexico's health care system, and it is the same as any other socialized, government administered system and not really a very good system and is on a par somewhat the US and Canada has now and I use the Thai system which is any doctor they want you to see, and give you what they want you to have and the same as Kaiser or any HMO.
But do to the fact that they can only give me some meds and wait for me to die I have no complaints except when I go to see a doctor, I must set in a waiting room with up to 150 other sick people, breath their exhaust from my appointment time of 0800 until I get to see the doctor at 1630.
No Thank You, I will stick with the old way as has been in the USA all my life if I had my druthers.
OH Yes, here it will take 2 months to get an appointment for a cataract removal op. which will take 30 minutes, start to finish,, very efficent system , these social medical systems.
One of my Mexican step kids had broken her arm and layed in the hospital for 5 days waiting for a cast to be put on her arm, in the states it would have been done in 30 minutes and she would have went home, but they were just so busy that she had to wait.

**Jet Gorgon** · 10-07-2009, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

I'm pretty sure the UAW would have a rather good medical plan Jet.

Got that right.

Originally Posted by blackgang

I go to see a doctor, I must set in a waiting room with up to 150 other sick people, breath their exhaust from my appointment time of 0800 until I get to see the doctor at 1630.
No Thank You, I will stick with the old way as has been in the USA all my life if I had my druthers.
OH Yes, here it will take 2 months to get an appointment for a cataract removal op. which will take 30 minutes, start to finish,, very efficent system , these social medical systems.

Welcome to Canada, BG.

**raycarey** · 10-07-2009, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by blackgang

I have not looked into it to deep really as it does not interest me

yet you just started a thread on the topic entitled, "truth on health care issues".

and here's the OP...

Originally Posted by blackgang

Herre is everything you ever wanted to know about the new healthcare issues and didn't know where to ask.

https://teakdoor.com/us-domestic-issu...re-issues.html

**blackgang** · 10-07-2009, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by blackgang
I have not looked into it to deep really as it does not interest me

sted by RC,,oh, well.
please carry on.....

but hold on, didn't you just start a thread on the topic.

Yes, it does interest some people and what you post is always jaded into the side that you think on, which always makes your posts one sided.
But the post I started was about the impossibility of it ever becoming fact as to the way it was presented to the people because of the money it costs and Obama thinks that the tax payers are a bottomless well of money and for taking it up the ass.
So you carry on Ray as you think that the nigger has the money to make it happen, which he will have after a raise in some more taxes he promised he would not do.

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