Thread: Who Decided that "Democracy ' should be the way of the World ?

Cannot all the " Smart Leaders " who I have seen in my 62 yrs. , do better than this ? "Promises X 3 " Was Great on Broardway , What have the "world Leaders " done , in my lifetime to produce the Utopia after WW2 ?

Can anyone decode this?

Who Decided that "Democracy ' should be the way of the World ?

The romans I think.

^Nope. far from it.

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Well who was it then? Edumancate me.

Yáll forgot 'bout them Greeks. Recall the battle of Thermopali (spelling)?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Yáll forgot 'bout them Greeks. Recall the battle of Thermopali (spelling)?

Didn't know you were that old What was Thermopylae like? I didn't forget, Ancient Greek democracy has bugger all to do with our version of democracy. Different things.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Yáll forgot 'bout them Greeks. Recall the battle of Thermopali (spelling)?

Didn't know you were that old What was Thermopylae like?

Hot...

Go tell the Spartans
Stranger passing by
That here, obedient to their laws
We lie

Look to the left - that's us.

^Intracruralists, the lot of you.

The people, ultimately. So they share the blame for stuffing things up too!
Would you prefer a benign Dictatorship or Theocracy to take all the blame Fang?

Democracy is a product, and the politicians are the salesmen

so they need to make up stories, like any good product marketing, for us to buy it

it's fair game, it's just that the consumers are stupid and believe or want to believe in pipe dreams, we get what we deserve

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by astasinim

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Well who was it then? Edumancate me.

French, English, and what later became Americans.

The Athenians developed democracy in the 6th century BC. Much like early American democracy, it was restricted to male citizens. The French and the English were swinging from trees when the Greeks were practicing this earliest form of democracy.

Originally Posted by astasinim

Who Decided that "Democracy ' should be the way of the World ?

The romans I think.

What a myth, perpetuated by propagandic historiography. At no time, of any eras, were the Roman Empires democratic. This injected and repeated tune of the developed and upstanding Roman-Graeco models is pure bunko.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Democracy is a product, and the politicians are the salesmen

so they need to make up stories, like any good product marketing, for us to buy it

it's fair game, it's just that the consumers are stupid and believe or want to believe in pipe dreams, we get what we deserve

Frankly, there is little {if any} difference regarding said political philosophies. Quite homogenous. We just hypnotize ourselves, as there might be a identity diversity. A continued chase to a utopia. Whereas, it is all similiar - they exist for reasons only: to create control, suppression, and dependency. Nothing collective nor cooperative about such political and economic models. The warm and fuzzy only exist in the propagated textbooks and the easily place social engineering properties. History is make-believe. Everything you know is wrong.

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by astasinim

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Well who was it then? Edumancate me.

French, English, and what later became Americans.

The Athenians developed democracy in the 6th century BC. Much like early American democracy, it was restricted to male citizens. The French and the English were swinging from trees when the Greeks were practicing this earliest form of democracy.

Their democracy was not much like our democracy, just because they invented the word does not mean the concepts were the same. I'm aware of the simple-minded notion that the Greeks developed democracy, every 6 year old child is taught that, it's still incorrect - as are most of the things children are taught which they retain into adulthood. The Greeks developed a particular style of democracy, one in which all the citizens took a direct part in governing and lawmaking. Our democracy is representative democracy and is not similar to Athenian democracy. The concept of representative democracy as we understand it now only came into existence during the renaissance.

Democracy, BTW, didn't come into the English language directly from the Greek, it's a loan-word from French, who got it from the Romans, who got it from the Greeks. You're making the sophomoric mistake of being led astray by the label. For example, Masturbation is a portmanteau word made from a Greek word and a Latin word, does that mean the Greeks and the Romans invented it? Were they the first wankers?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Were they the first wankers?

Can't be. The Chinese invented everything.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

The concept of representative democracy as we understand it now only came into existence during the renaissance.

Read a book long ago where the author explained how the US founding fathers got many of the ideas for modern democracy from long established American Indian practices. Many of the US Constitutional articles incorporate practices identical the some of the tribes.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Were they the first wankers?

Can't be. The Chinese invented everything.

BINGO!

Originally Posted by DrB0b

The concept of representative democracy as we understand it now only came into existence during the renaissance.

This might be so if you view only through Eurocentric spectacles.

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Oh Christ I can't let that one go

Please enlighten me as to Asian Democracy RS

Originally Posted by GooMaiRoo

Originally Posted by DrB0b

The Greeks developed a particular style of democracy, one in which all the citizens took a direct part in governing and lawmaking.

Uh, wouldn't that be an early form of democracy? In fact, it's neither "simple-minded" nor "sophomoric" to connect the ancient Athenians with the earliest form of democracy. In some ways, it was purer than many of today's Western versions. No lobbyists. No bribery. No swiftboat ads, No rigged elections. Your rather sizable ego, boundless arrogance and a curious hostility toward anyone who disagrees with you certainly keeps these forums interesting. Spew on.

Err, Western representative democracy is not equal to Athenian democracy. Is that too difficult for you to understand? While it's very comfrorting to believe that everything has a single cause it's just not true. You can talk about Greek democracy (or, more accurately, Athenian democracy) till the cows come home but the fact remains that it's not the direct ancestor of modern Western democracy. The subject of this thread is "Who Decided that "Democracy ' should be the way of the World ?". The answer is not the Greeks. The answer is the French, the British, and the Americans. The point, you missed it! And if you believe that Athenian democracy was incorrupt I have some shares in a starship you might like to invest in. Interestingly, though your knowledge of history is so small that you're unlikely to know this, "curious hostility" is very similar to the official name of the house of the Roman senate.

Originally Posted by Rural Surin

Originally Posted by DrB0b

The concept of representative democracy as we understand it now only came into existence during the renaissance.

This might be so if you view only through Eurocentric spectacles.

Spectacles were invented by a European