Trailer Trash Torturer: The Interview with Lynndie England

**MustavaMond** · 28-06-2009, 04:55 PM

Lyndie England was the cigarette chomping waif featured in many of the forced sex game abuse photos at Abu Grahib, Iraq .

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.......As a clerical support worker, she had no business in the so-called Hard Site at Abu Ghraib, a block of some 40 cells where the supposedly most dangerous inmates were held.
But, already married she routinely sneaked in late at night to sleep with Graner, a hulking 6ft 3in ex-Marine in charge of the night patrol.

Even after being repeatedly warned, she refused to break off with Graner and was eventually demoted.
She says she was mesmerised by Graner, who worked in civilian life as a prison corrections officer and had an appalling record for abusing prisoners – one claimed he hid razor blades in the prison food.
‘I was blinded by a fool’s love,’ England says in her cigarette-coarsened south-country drawl, as if this explains and excuses her participation in the pictures.
‘I know now that Graner was manipulating me, but at that point I would have done anything he told me.’

She first discovered that Graner got a kick out of taking – and showing his friends – perverted photographs of her soon afterwards, when they holidayed in Virginia Beach.
This was in March 2003, more than six months before the Abu Ghraib pictures were taken.
While she performed a sex act on him, he reached for his Sony and started clicking away, she says.

Intriguingly, she claims to possess about 800 more unseen photographs from her time in Iraq, depicting scenes which would be highly damaging to the U.S. Army and the White House, if they were ever released.

Sick: Prisoners are made to lie on top of each other naked

When we speak, three things strike me: her breathtaking lack of contrition; her unsuitability to have been a serving soldier and her utter indifference towards the horrifically abused prisoners at Abu Ghraib, 90 per cent of whom were later released without charge.

Since no established biographer would touch her life story (it was even dropped by the literary agent who handled O.J. Simpson’s widely reviled book, If I Did It) her biography has been penned by a greenhorn local author, Gary Winkler.

The daughter of a railway worker, Ken England, and his wife Terrie, she was two years old when her family moved from Kentucky to a trailer park in Fort Ashby, West Virginia.
There she grew into a tomboy and loner, never happier than when shooting squirrels in the woods. Until her wedding day, she had never owned a dress.
Teachers recall her for saying almost nothing during her school years, and her defence psychologist diagnosed her with speech-related learning difficulty called selective mutism.

She has applied for countless jobs, she complains, but no one dares to employ her, and so, two years after her release she remains unemployed and has given up hope of working.
Reliant on food stamps and the charity of her family and friends, she lives with her parents and four-year-old Carter, the child she had with Graner, in the same cramped trailer where she was raised.

**Lily** · 28-06-2009, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Even after being repeatedly warned, she refused to break off with Graner and was eventually demoted.

Was he warned to 'break off' with her?

They are obviously both severely abnormal people, but why is her behaviour more newsworthy than his?

**DrB0b** · 28-06-2009, 05:16 PM

^Because shes a woman, obviously. That's the way it works, sadly. Male sadists are 10 a penny but female sadists are media gold.

**MustavaMond** · 28-06-2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by Lily

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

Even after being repeatedly warned, she refused to break off with Graner and was eventually demoted.

Was he warned to 'break off' with her?

They are obviously both severely abnormal people, but why is her behaviour more newsworthy than his?

Because she's written a book, " Tortured"

The demotion was because she was married and told to break it off, it is an offense to commit adultery with a fellow NCO. She then had the oaf's offspring.

It was the smirking Lynndie wih the thumbs up gesture in front of a pile of nude men that made her a media darling - "The Lynndie Salute " it became known as .

**blackgang** · 28-06-2009, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by MustavaMond

It was the smirking Lynndie wih the thumbs up gesture in front of a pile of nude men that made her a media darling - "The Lynndie Salute " it became known as

You're a jealous bitch ain't ya Mustavaclit.

**onebadapple** · 28-06-2009, 09:11 PM

Lynndie had no role in "stacking" the prisoners. It was Graner who did this. If you read the book (which she DID NOT write) you would discover what happened right before this was done. She did not work as a prison guard and was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yes, there are thousands of other photos out there far worse than the few Lynndie was in (she was in maybe 10). I have seen them, as have many who served in the theater. It is just a matter of time before they are released. I find it interesting that if a man is forced to stand naked in a picture with a female in it, that is torture, but if that same man is killed, it is not. Makes no sense to me. Why is forced nudity of men worse than the hundreds that were killed at the hands of MI, CI -especially the CIA? Why are these criminals allowed to walk free? No, Lynndie did a stupid thing, but she was no torturer.

**onebadapple** · 28-06-2009, 09:17 PM

That's right, she did NOT write the book. The book is written by Gary Winkler who although does not live in WV, did grow up close to where Lynndie lives in Fort Ashby, WV. He's done a great job of presenting a balanced account of what happened to Lynndie before and after Abu Ghraib. He did this so that the reader can make up his or her mind regarding Lynndie's guilt, innocence, or something in between. There is so much the public has never learned about this case. He also presents the story of what happened at her trial and why her new appalete attorney will be arguing that her trial and sentencing were flawed. She will be having a hearing on July 22, 2009. What bothers me is that the media decided a long time ago that it would present England in one light,and one light only. It is CLASSISM, pure CLASSISM!

**jandajoy** · 28-06-2009, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by onebadapple

He's done a great job of presenting a balanced account of what happened to Lynndie before and after Abu Ghraib. He did this so that the reader can make up his or her mind regarding Lynndie's guilt, innocence, or something in between.

Are you personally connected ?

**Boon Mee** · 29-06-2009, 08:54 PM

Sounds like just the gal for Ray!

**DrB0b** · 29-06-2009, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Originally Posted by onebadapple

He's done a great job of presenting a balanced account of what happened to Lynndie before and after Abu Ghraib. He did this so that the reader can make up his or her mind regarding Lynndie's guilt, innocence, or something in between.

Are you personally connected ?

Winkler and onebadapple are the same person. A quick google on both those names shows that. He's all over the forums, advertising his book and describing himself as an "appalachian genre writer", which for some reason makes me think of banjos. Gotta respect his search skills though, he was on here just a few hours after the OP.

**MustavaMond** · 04-07-2009, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by jandajoy

Originally Posted by onebadapple

He's done a great job of presenting a balanced account of what happened to Lynndie before and after Abu Ghraib. He did this so that the reader can make up his or her mind regarding Lynndie's guilt, innocence, or something in between.

Are you personally connected ?

Winkler and onebadapple are the same person. A quick google on both those names shows that. He's all over the forums, advertising his book and describing himself as an "appalachian genre writer", which for some reason makes me think of banjos. Gotta respect his search skills though, he was on here just a few hours after the OP.

Astute and enlightening observation, Dr Bob.

**sabang** · 04-07-2009, 11:39 AM

Nobody senior, nobody responsible was ever dragged over the coals for the many abuses at Abu Graib- just two subnormal retarded Hicks took the media scrutiny and most of the blame, and the CO of the prison was reassigned.

Which, sadly, is standard procedure.

Should point out too that now BO is President Obama, he shows no interest in raking over the coals either. I suspect that, as an individual, he would love too- but as President and faced with the political ramifications from the Military, baying 'Patriots', the Pentagon and allied parties, the Right wing media- well, all gone quiet, ain't it? He is the Establishment now.

Which, sadly, is the way of the world.

**foreigner** · 04-07-2009, 10:07 PM

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