Thread: Americans Are Happy

Ok I don't have money but I am happy today!

(SO AMERICANS ARE HAPPY!)

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Hey Boon Mee, you do realize that Rove is a German fat pig, gay, whose dad was in the SS ? you do realize this, don't you ?

No, I didn't know that - what's your basis for that info or are you just making this up?

You can start here:

Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus and the Destabilization of California
by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman


George W. Bush's grandfather helped finance the Nazi Party. Karl Rove's grandfather allegedly helped run the Nazi Party, and helped build the Birkenau Death Camp. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian father volunteered for the infamous Nazi SA and became a ranking officer.

Not the best source but it's a start

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1006-08.htm

Commondreams is one of those far-left lunatic fringe sites that throw out terms like 'allegedly' a lot. Not much credence to be found there...
Anyhow, Rove's off the hook and that pisses off those moron.org folks to no end!

You can't deny the fact about the governator and Bush Nazi past. Karl Rove is strangely associated with all this. Like Pedos who like to stick together for a better analogy.

Originally Posted by bbigman21

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Admittedly, all the Americans I know are very happy.

Are they all in America?

Strangely, thay're all in Thailand.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by bbigman21

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Admittedly, all the Americans I know are very happy.

Are they all in America?

Strangely, thay're all in Thailand.

After a couple of years posting in Thailand forums I never would have known that

^ I disagree. It's very relevant. It explains the background of those people, where they come from. Bush Nazi past is well documented, and I didn't say that the Governator had a Nazi past, just that he was linked to it through his father. But seeing how he acts and some of the comments he made in the past, the influence is there, hardly making him a Nazi, but strong enough for him to be in sympathy with the ideas. Same with Rove. The techniques used today by the Bush Administration are very much from an ancient past we hoped will never to come back.

The only good news is that it could be worse if they really wanted to. I guess the memories of Nuremberg keep them in check.

Butterfly:

You can't deny the fact about the governator and Bush Nazi past.

Butterfly:

I didn't say that the Governator had a Nazi past....

The techniques used today by the Bush Administration are very much from an ancient past we hoped will never to come back.

I agree with you here, butterfly.

The Bush administration is using techniques with speeches, the media, and policy that have been used to create public opinion, since the Roman Empire.

The Romans, Nazis, and current governments use these techniques - because they work.

Have you ever thought about the speech writers of Presidents?

Certain words the President says in speeches are market tested. Yes, market tested.

How about the Associated Press? The electronic media (television)?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

speeches market tested ? not sure what you are implying ? that the American public is looking for those kind of speech ? or they are only targeted to very specific[ subgroup of the American public ?

I made the reference to the market-testing of speeches because you noted "ancient" tactics, or practices.

The media is the major form of control over a population. Nazis, US, CCCP, China, Guatemala, you name it.

Yes propaganda works. We have on this board "evidence" that they work effectively

One of the first signs of propaganda is when a common citizen uses abstract language.

Not specific, detailed language and concepts, but very broad, general, abstract language.

I see this a lot when young enlisted personnel in Iraq are interviewed. They use many market-test buzzwords from the current administration: "freedom, liberty, democracy," etc.

But they never go into specific detail.

"Shock & Awe." Remember Freedom Fries instead of French fries? Quite laughable now. "The Liberation of Iraq has begun." (March 2003). The Commies in 'Nam refer to their victory as Liberation Day.

Recently, Evo Morales was elected in a free and fair, internationally monitored election in Bolivia. He won the election, fair and square.

George W. Bush recently stated that he thinks "Bolivia is moving away from democracy.


Did any jouranalists jump on this? No. Not one of them did.

^ well I think most journalists have given up on poor old GW Bush. He could be raping a 12 yr old in public, nobody would care and they would still support him by finding silly excuses like the girl was asking for it or she wasn't crying etc...

Yes the media play an important role. Does this explain the massive role of ClearChannel in the US media ? didn't they bought out every advertising agency in the US ?

No matter what profession you work in you pick up the lingo of that culture. It doesn't matter if it's the military, stock car racing or TEFLing. Using an example of an interview (maybe a 20 second snippet) to justify an opinion is laughable and ridiculous. I doubt the interviewer is looking to give some soldier 20 minutes to explain his side of the story. "Freedom, liberty and democracy" were buzz words of the military long before GWB took office ... they were buzz words of the military before I was born.

What's predictable, and a tad bit funny, is that Storekeeper sent me a "red" for my above post with the comments:

"I'm not impressed at all."

But Storekeeper, once again, cannot even try to debate the issue, because he can't.

^ LOL. That's how conservatives react when they lose an argument. Shoot the messenger. A little bit like Saddam was doing.

^ Cut-and-paste, use labels, and make big generalizations.


And you can always insult somebody's momma.

And you can always insult somebody's momma.

Not in "Issues" you can't, direct personal insults are not tolerated.
Some folks turn all sensitive all of a sudden when their insults are deleted though, quite funny in a way.

^ I know.

I was referring to another time in another place.

(and BTW, I am doing my job, but I am very careful about action.)

Originally Posted by Milkman

"I'm not impressed at all."

But Storekeeper, once again, cannot even try to debate the issue, because he can't.

My comment stands. Do you really think your judgement does anything more than make me chuckle? When I want to discuss an issue I will and when I don't want ... I won't. What's really odd is your insecure desire to be liked otherwise you shouldn't have taken my comment so personally. Telling you I wasn't impressed shouldn't have been interpreted as a harsh or demeaning insult to you. Quit being a sensitive child.

Stroller: I made plenty of "Momma" comments on ajarn.com but I doubt you can prove I've used the term to insult anybdy on TD.

I love how you guys love to use this word "debate" to atttempt to intellectualize ... I believe your using the word wrong IMHO you don't accomplish anything other than "Cussin' & Discussin" in cyber forums.

Using the word "debate" is a weak attempt to make yourself sound smarter than you are.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

What's really odd is your insecure desire to be liked otherwise you shouldn't have taken my comment so personally. Telling you I wasn't impressed shouldn't have been interpreted as a harsh or demeaning insult to you. Quit being a sensitive child.

LOL !!!

Translation: I can't debate, I lost and I am a crying baby !!!

Originally Posted by Milkman

I am referring to politicians and journalists, market-tested words, and speech writers.

I wonder if this document was sufficiently market tested?

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

It certainly has withstood the test of time.