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    Obama The Savior?

    I've been reading so many articles, and watching videos that suggest that Obama is deemed as a savior. Some people even go so far as thinking he is the incarnate second coming of Christ. I find all of this very fascinating from a psychology and political point of view. Feel free to post your articles or pics on the subject. What do you think of this whole savior mentality?

    I think that when George Bush was in power, people were beaten down, and steady decline of the economy made people lose hope, and confidence in their leader (no kidding it was BUSH). Obama has promised, and given hope to the U.S citizens. He has given them something to believe in. I think that is a good thing, but I wonder if people are taking it to the extreme. What will happen if Obama doesn't do as promised? Are people going to condemn him to 'hell'? Are people being brainwashed? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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    Obama the Savior

    By Caroline Glick

    Speaking in February of the man she knows better than anyone else does, Michelle Obama said that her husband, Illinois Senator and candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination Barack Obama, is the only candidate for president who understands that before America can solve its problems, Americans have to fix their "broken souls."

    She also said that her husband's unique understanding of the state of souls of the American people makes him uniquely qualified to be President. Obama can do what his opponent in the Democratic race Senator Hillary Clinton, and Senator John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, cannot do. He can heal his countrymen's broken souls. He will redeem them.

    But then, saving souls is hard work, and Mrs. Obama won't place the whole burden on her husband. He'll make the Americans work for him. As she put it, "Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zone. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."

    At base, Mrs. Obama's statement is nothing less than a renunciation of democracy and an embrace of fascism. The basic idea of liberty is that people have a natural right to live their lives as usual and to be uninvolved and uninformed. And they certainly have a right to expect that their government will butt out of their souls.

    IN CONTRAST, fascist societies, as Jonah Goldberg notes in the latest issue of National Review, are all about the notions of "unity" and "change" and melding our broken souls into a fixed, united will for change that Obama has made the core theme of his campaign. Goldberg compared "unity" with "patriotism," and explained that while the latter connotes the willingness to defend the moral values of a society, unity is bereft of any moral content. "The only value of unity is strength, strength in numbers - and... that is a fascist value. That's the symbolism of the fasces, the bundle of sticks that in combination are invincible."





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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    What will happen if Obama doesn't do as promised? Are people going to condemn him to 'hell'? Are people being brainwashed? It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
    What do you smoke up there in the frozen north, or Korea, I thought that shit was illegal over there too.
    But you must not know or understand much about US politics,
    There is damn little a prez can do except maybe suggest something as it always has to be passed by the house and senate, so most shit that Bush is blamed for is actually the fault of the other houses of govt, every dime was voted either in or out by them, and after they make it law, then Bush could sign it or veto it and if veto then they can override him again.
    Obama can do no more either, he has to have everything voted for by the house and senate.
    The only thing he can do and is doing it is run around the world and bad mouth the US govt just as he did thru the whole time of the campaign for the job and is continuing to do as we speak and suck ass up to the muzzies and try to lead the country into socialism and he has already spent damn near as much as Bush did in 8 fucking years, he is not doing a fucking thing except talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    What do you think of this whole savior mentality
    Answer!!
    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    people are taking it to the extreme.


    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    Are people going to condemn him to 'hell'?
    Yes. If and when they are disillusioned. Expectations are much too high. I give the average American more credit to understand Obama can only do so much. As for those who idolize him as some kind of second coming I have sympathy.
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    Well watch this, Obama did not even weigh in on this one.
    Outlawed in USA so is shown thru Canada.


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    The faster they rise, the harder they fall. I think most people are going to be surprised how bad he actually will be. (substance wins over style - empty shell BO is)

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    I always have said he was just an enpty suit and I am proven more correct every day.
    here is what is said about the vid I posted

    Bush tried to warn Congress in 2002 that this economic crisis was coming, if something was not done. But congress refused to listen, along with Barney Franks. This video says it all.
    Also that the liberal AMERICAN media did not want this video on You Tube, so they had Time Warner threaten a law suit (proprietary rights) if it was not taken off.
    This link is of the same video but is routed through Canada .

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    I agree that BO is just a man with a message... BG, perhaps you've been away from the US long enough to not understand the sentiment on the street... There is an feeling of despair that is permeating all levels of society as companies furlough employees, shut the doors and close up shop... Millions have lost their nest eggs with the failure of the markets and the shennanigans of the likes of Bernie Maddoff... Everyone is feeling the squeeze...

    Many, even those with good jobs, are shell-shocked with the constant barrage of negative news... It's easy to see how many are putting their faith & future in BO... As you stated, he is just a man and there is only so much he can do in this environment... He is doing a much better job of communicating with the public than his predecessor...

    Unfortunately, it appears that the message of the day is tax & spend, which is historically the democratic SOP... This is not the solution for the problems in the US today... At some point, you have to bite the bullet and face reality...

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    People were so disgusted with Bush , Obama sure seems like the 2nd coming of Christ.

    Sure putting some serious pressure on the guy.

    After all , he is left with Bush's mess to clean up.

    I'm rooting for him.

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    Root for him, but won't help when he is booted in 4yrs for making things worse.

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    seems to me that the only people who are using the term 'the messiah' are his detractors...it's sarcasm...get it? ha ha ....ha..... hmmm...

    anyway, i'd wager that the images in the OP were photoshopped by some pajama clad, right wing blogger living in his mother's basement.

    Quote Originally Posted by britmaveric View Post
    Root for him, but won't help when he is booted in 4yrs for making things worse.
    only a complete and utter fool with no discernible knowledge of the american political process would predict what will happen in a presidential election four years from now.....oh yeah.....forgot for a second whose post i was responding to.

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    "The Messiah" is a poke at the lovestruck fools who stood in rainsoaked rallies and carrying protest signs and hate in their hearts -- and bought Obama's syrupy tripe about change and unicorns and rainbows.

    He's a Chicago politician who took less than a month to request a cool trillion up front to fund his tenure.

    Get over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghandi
    Sure putting some serious pressure on the guy.
    he put the pressure on himself with over 500 campaign promises, and the mess he has to clean up is an American mess not a uniquely Bush mess. Just as he (Obama) stated there is no repubs nor dems only Americans, besides the fact that Bush inherited the scraps of the previous admin including a world wide terrorist organization that a hard on for the US while Clinton was having his own hard on attended to in the Oval office..

    I guess you conveniently ignored the irrefutable FACTS in the video or just decided not to take the time to watch it did you?? once again THEY WERE WARNED in advance all one can do is sound the alarms and then someone has to head them to avoid mayhem and once again just like with Al queda the Dems went quietly into that good denial..!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    he put the pressure on himself with over 500 campaign promises, and the mess he has to clean up is an American mess not a uniquely Bush mess. Just as he (Obama) stated there is no repubs nor dems only Americans, besides the fact that Bush inherited the scraps of the previous admin including a world wide terrorist organization that a hard on for the US while Clinton was having his own hard on attended to in the Oval office..
    absolute garbage, as usual

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    he put the pressure on himself with over 500 campaign promises, and the mess he has to clean up is an American mess not a uniquely Bush mess. Just as he (Obama) stated there is no repubs nor dems only Americans, besides the fact that Bush inherited the scraps of the previous admin including a world wide terrorist organization that a hard on for the US while Clinton was having his own hard on attended to in the Oval office..
    absolute garbage, as usual
    I know......the truth and reality of life is painful for some, so which part can you actually factually dispute?? in spite of sending a red to make no point what-so-ever and demonstrate your limited political understanding....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
    He is doing a much better job of communicating with the public than his predecessor
    Yes, he is talking and he is talking bullshit because he can not do without the house approval to do a damn thing. so it is still up to the house as it was during any previous prez term., just some come up with better ideas that they go along with and some worse ideas that they also go along with.
    Except for Jimmy Carter and he never had an idea in his life.


    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
    Unfortunately, it appears that the message of the day is tax & spend, which is historically the democratic SOP..
    I agree with that, and it is all politicians, and it was mostly Demo that gave Bush the go for most of his shit that he is blamed for and Clinton is really the one that broke the country with his Phony NAFTA, which the Hilderbeast admitted during her run for the brass ring.

    Quote Originally Posted by Muadib
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    Yo Comprende Senior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrivingForce
    I know......the truth and reality of life is painful for some, so which part can you actually factually dispute??
    DrivingForce, get an education, your mind is filled with garbage. Being born American is a big handicap but it doesn't have to be that way if you start getting a real education and expose yourself to different culture and minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    Yo Comprende Senior.
    isn't butchering the english language enough for you?

    now you have to do it to spanish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackgang View Post
    I always have said he was just an enpty suit and I am proven more correct every day.
    here is what is said about the vid I posted

    Bush tried to warn Congress in 2002 that this economic crisis was coming, if something was not done. But congress refused to listen, along with Barney Franks. This video says it all.
    Also that the liberal AMERICAN media did not want this video on You Tube, so they had Time Warner threaten a law suit (proprietary rights) if it was not taken off.
    This link is of the same video but is routed through Canada .
    I think it is clear that we know where all the money was, and nothing was done about it. Do you think this could of changed things for the American economy?

    Muadip
    I agree that BO is just a man with a message... BG, perhaps you've been away from the US long enough to not understand the sentiment on the street... There is an feeling of despair that is permeating all levels of society as companies furlough employees, shut the doors and close up shop... Millions have lost their nest eggs with the failure of the markets and the shennanigans of the likes of Bernie Maddoff... Everyone is feeling the squeeze...
    Yes, and hopefully Obama can turn things around. I do hope along with the rest of America that something can be done. His message is that not only he can change the world, but that everyone has the power to change. He is telling people to get up, and starting making changes. Basically giving power back to the people. I think that is what people need to do. Whatever happened to the 60's when people would protest on the streets for their rights?

    For a hugely Christian U.S, I am surprised that some people so easily will look at Obama as the answer or the savior. This is not very christian, nor remotely catholic. Do not worship other gods.

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    Change = Please Vote for Me... nothing more that. Unfortunately the sheep followed without even asking him to define it.

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    If BO is a savior, how come this catchy little saying is making the rounds, eh?

    Obama dozed, people froze...

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    A first-term senator, elected president, who had little going for him other than the color of his skin is an embarrassment. It's a sell-out.

    An experienced senator, or congressman, or governor, who happened to be yellow or grey or something, that had any sort of track record ... would be something all of America could rally around. I hope the best of Obama, but fear it will be an abomination.

    Aside from the hype, there's not much substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    A first-term senator, elected president, who had little going for him other than the color of his skin is an embarrassment. It's a sell-out.
    I don't think he won b/c he was black, if you look at the voting demographics and polling (if we can trust them).

    Many people did not vote for him b/c of his race, as well.

    An experienced senator, or congressman, or governor, who happened to be yellow or grey or something, that had any sort of track record ... would be something all of America could rally around. I hope the best of Obama, but fear it will be an abomination.
    Charisma is a big part of it. There are many factors.

    Aside from the hype, there's not much substance.
    That's an opinion. Politicians are politicians. People are people.

    Difference in "substance" between 44 and 43?

    I think think there is.
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    Charisma?
    Are you a low-info voter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Charisma?
    Are you a low-info voter?
    I think BO has charisma. Especially during the election. Reagan had it as well, IMO.

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    So, did you vote for his charisma or for his policies?

    I thought McCain would be a better president.
    But it's water under the bridge. I'm concerned that Obama is jamming a tril into his first term on the FEAR of things that might possibly come.

    Sounds familiar, don't it?

    Change we can believe in? ////

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