Thread: Rag head rock throwers.

Originally Posted by blackgang

incest and adultery

Prostitution is difficult to single out a particular "John". But in these 2 cases there is generally only one other actor who is close to the convicted and in the case of women it is highly unlikely that "incest" was a voluntary action if others here are convicted of adultery where are the other men?

Trying to justify the death penalty based on the method of execution and/or the countries legal system preceding it is just a way of making those supporting the practice feel morally correct.

Read a few of the links from both columns (post #49)

I realize there are compelling arguments on both sides. But I personally think some crimes are so heinous as to justify killing the offender. Likewise, I'm in favor of enforcing laws and throwing bad guys in jail. Even that appears too extreme for some. (there's a chance an innocent might be erroneously charged )

Bullshit. It's part of the price of doing business.

From the Irish Times-

"The last officially reported stoning in the Islamic Republic was carried out on a man a year ago which drew criticism from rights groups, the European Union and a top UN official. Iran's judiciary chief Ayatollah Mohmoud Hashemi-Shahroudi ordered a moratorium on stoning in 2002."

"We are trying to have such punishments removed and replaced by different ones so that it would be compatible with the dignity of humanity," lawyer Mohammad Mostafaie said.

And Irans response to some of the foreign stonethrowers -

"Iran responds to western criticism of its rights record by pointing to what it says are abuses in the West, such as detainees held by the United States in Guantanamo Bay."

Nine sentenced to death by stoning - The Irish Times - Mon, Jul 21, 2008

I doubt, and hope, they will actually not be executed by stoning. It seems to me this is more activism to entirely abolish stoning, and the possibility of legally sanctioned stoning, from Iranian law.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Some posters here cite laws when they're suitable and discard them when they're not.

Originally Posted by Texpat

I'm in favor of enforcing laws and throwing bad guys in jail. Even that appears too extreme for some. (there's a chance an innocent might be erroneously charged )

It would be nice if you could deal with some of the points/issues actually raised rather than inventing simply your own.

Its pretty harsh in Iran, but compared with the lax laws in Europe they have a point on being hard-line eh?

Originally Posted by Slipstream

Its pretty harsh in Iran, but compared with the lax laws in Europe they have a point on being hard-line eh?

With that type of response your popularity quotient is going to go up exponentially on here, so while my rep isn't worth much I'll still start you you off with a greenie..

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^They're both equally fucked. 'Thou shall not kill' being variously interpreted to mean abortion=bad, execution=good. In some cases by the same people.

My understanding is the original Hebrew text says, "Thou shall not murder". It was changed somewhere along the line as it was translated into Greek, Latin, German and English. So according to the way the Hebrews see it. One can execute but one shall not murder.

Phonetically, the heading of this topic has a nice rhythm.

^ isn't killing murder ? I mean intentional killing is murder, isn't it ?

Originally Posted by Texpat

Care to comment on that or will you continue to share your vast knowledge of all things American with us?

Are you really so arrogant that you believe that you can't have an opinion on anything American unless you were born there?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ isn't killing murder ? I mean intentional killing is murder, isn't it ?

Murder is the unlawful killing of a human person with malice aforethought, as defined in Common Law countries. Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of lawful justification.

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Originally Posted by flash

Are you really so arrogant that you believe that you can't have an opinion on anything American unless you were born there?

Well you can have an opinion on things in America even if you ain't American.
But if that be the case then they will be wrong, irrevelent, useless and shows your stupidity to voice them.

Originally Posted by attaboy

Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of lawful justification.

And when you are found quilty in a court of law, that is the lawful justification for the court to kill your rotton ass..

Originally Posted by blackgang

Well you can have an opinion on things in America even if you ain't American.
But if that be the case then they will be wrong, irrevelent, useless and shows your stupidity to voice them.

Correct me if I'm wrong blackgang, but isn't this thread - started by you - about voicing an opinion on Iran.

Are you Iranian or are you 'wrong, irrelevant, usless and stupid'?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

isn't killing murder ? I mean intentional killing is murder, isn't it ?

Not when sanctioned by the state. Then it is execution!

Originally Posted by blackgang

Well you can have an opinion on things in America even if you ain't American. But if that be the case then they will be wrong, irrevelent, useless and shows your stupidity to voice them.

So then BG, following your impeccable logic, neither can you have an opinion about things in Iran, except by showing your stupidity to voice them?

Originally Posted by sabang

So then BG, following your impeccable logic, neither can you have an opinion about things in Iran, except by showing your stupidity to voice them?

Not really, Iran doesn't have the brains or wherewithal to do things in a civilized manner and are not intellectually capable to govern themselves, so it is up to the better country's of the world to guide them, kinda like we do Australia, you see we saved them from foreign takeover back in the early 1940s so now we have to be responsible for their well being.

How civilised was the US in 600 BC?

Originally Posted by blackgang

so now we have to be responsible for their well being.

Then I have a lot to thank you nice guys for.
We're doing just fine, riding the Hog actually, generally defined as the happiest peole in the world.
Maybe you should think of yourselves a bit more often, lift your spirits and all that.
I reckon even an Iranian would agree with me on that.

well just like that idiot shipping that piece of shit car by air back where it came from for an oil change,, Now don't you think that them Camel humping ass bandits need someone with some brains to look over them??
They ain't even got enough sense to wipe their ass after they take a shit and walk around stinking worse than a hog pen, well quite similar tho.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Camel humping ass bandits

There are some awful governments in that part of the world- although in fairness, to what degree we like them or not does not seem to be correlated with how good or otherwise the government is. Don't forget that Iraq had the highest level of income, education, and womans rights in the Arab world, until after the First Gulf War. These days, Dubai is a standout in the ME- and it doesn't have oil, Turkey does OK for it's people also, likewise Libya (which has a lower infant mortality rate than the USA) and Tunisia.

They ain't all the same.

Originally Posted by blackgang

well just like that idiot shipping that piece of shit car by air back where it came from for an oil change,, Now don't you think that them Camel humping ass bandits need someone with some brains to look over them??
They ain't even got enough sense to wipe their ass after they take a shit and walk around stinking worse than a hog pen, well quite similar tho.

"Wrong, irrevelent, useless and shows your stupidity"

Originally Posted by Texpat

What part about that seems normal to anyone here?

As I said previously not normal IMO but in Iran .

As you have said many times, "Live by the law of the land." "If you can't do the time don't do the crime."