Thread: Rag head rock throwers.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^They're both equally fucked. 'Thou shall not kill' being variously interpreted to mean abortion=bad, execution=good. In some cases by the same people.

Why apply Christian principles? I'm looking at stoning from a humanist perspective.
It's more than a bit barbaric.

I'm not suggesting I'm anti death penalty. I'm not. Some people deserve to die.

But public stoning is just over the top in 2008. Couple that with the alleged offenses of homosexuality or mild sex cases, and it's even more outrageous. Add to the mix the local neighborhood being invited out to execute the task -- it's just medieval.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^They're both equally fucked. 'Thou shall not kill' being variously interpreted to mean abortion=bad, execution=good. In some cases by the same people.

Why apply Christian principles?

I didn't mean to suggest that, bad example. I was referring more to Norton's point and that both Islam and Christianity contain elements that justify execution based on Judea "old testament" scripture.

I'm looking at stoning from a humanist perspective.
It's more than a bit barbaric.

I'm not suggesting I'm anti death penalty. I'm not. Some people deserve to die.

But public stoning is just over the top in 2008. Couple that with the alleged offenses of homosexuality or mild sex cases, and it's even more outrageous. Add to the mix the local neighborhood being invited out to execute the task -- it's just medieval.

I certainly don't disagree that it's a particularly barbaric form of execution; however on principle I'm opposed to State-sponsored execution in whatever form that it may take on moral grounds. Frankly whether an execution's considered 'humane' or not - and there's even considerable debate on that - is secondary to the issue of someone being killed to me.

^ good point,

how many texans have been seen cheering outside prisons at the stroke of midnight when an execution was due ? quite a few

Ragheads and Americans, same joy over death, stoning is just more colorful and probably less barbaric at the end than the sterile and anonymous approach of the US Justice system

Originally Posted by blackgang

Pobly gonna do it in the cold as it will help slow down bleeding and make it last that much longer,, no need to rush a fun thing.

I wish you had some brains .... I know it's only a wish. As I see it, the guy is being hanged not stoned, twit.

Originally Posted by Texpat

The US executes prisoners that have had their day in court, have had the ability to appeal and be heard by various courts at different levels.

Only if they have the money to defend themselves properly, else they are fucked like the ragheads, and the mobs become the jury and judge,

Originally Posted by Texpat

Your comparison is piss weak.

no, it's not. You have not lived in the US as an adult long enough to know exactly what's going on over there. I suggest you take a trip there for a few years and come back and do the comparison.

Counsel is free to those who cannot afford to pay for their own. Check out the Miranda Rights. Your emotions often seem to get the best of you, Butterfly.

I'm well aware of what's happening in my country.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Counsel is free to those who cannot afford to pay for their own.

Free Counsel is shit, and you know it, and it's the reason why the majority of innocents (often poor blacks) are in jail or in death row.

Originally Posted by Texpat

I'm well aware of what's happening in my country.

not really, you still think you got attacked by Iraqis on 911, and that your prez was chosen by God

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Texpat

Counsel is free to those who cannot afford to pay for their own.

Free Counsel is shit, and you know it, and it's the reason why the majority of innocents (often poor blacks) are in jail or in death row.

No, that would be guns and drugs and poor role models.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Texpat

I'm well aware of what's happening in my country.

not really, you still think you got attacked by Iraqis on 911, and that your prez was chosen by God

Easy there Sputter, you'll hurt yourself. Capital punishment was around long before the current US president and will, in all likelihood, outlast the next. The US prez isn't chosen by God, but the next best solution -- the American people.

But this thread is about stoning people buried up to their chests, slowly, so they die a horrific, painful and bloody public death. Care to comment on that or will you continue to share your vast knowledge of all things American with us?

Originally Posted by Texpat

Care to comment on that or will you continue to share your vast knowledge of all things American with us?

Yes I believe it's barbaric, I think that was answered previously above

just adding that it's not different from what other "civilized" countries are doing, one being the all mighty USA

Yes, I believed that too was answered previously above -- post #30.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Yes, I believed that too was answered previously above -- post #30

hardly

Originally Posted by Texpat

Your comparison is piss weak.

No the USA does not do it that way, it has to be completely painless and has had the lethal injection stopped a few times and examined because the needles hurt or the chemicals are to slow, which is shit because the needles are the same used in medical procedures as are the chemicals used.
Where you are comparing this to stoning where the size of the stones can not be so large as to cause death to soon.

Originally Posted by Norton

Humane, painless vs barbaric, painful execution arguments are interesting but the end result is the same. The "criminal" is dead. Always find it interesting proponents of the death penalty argue it is a deterrent but label public stoning as barbaric.

The places that have these public stonings have the death penalty in it's many forms for many different offences.
Where the death penalty is talked about and condemned by so many just happens to be the USA and it is only done in a painless a way as possible to people that have commited hineous major crimes such as first degree murder in its most brutal forms and is rarely even carried out in most states even tho the criminal is a mass murderer.
For the penaltys of stoning in such countrys that practise it, it is done for crimes that in most states of the USA there is not even a statute again doing it, Adultry,? maybe you can get a divorce from your spouse for getting caught at it, but that is all, and where rape is not taken as an offense again the raper but might stone the rapee, while in the USA if the crime is severe enough it can also bring capitol punishment.

I think Jet that the story is symbolic
At the time human sacrifice was practiced and often the first born was offered.
When God deceided not to take his son's life it was seen as a sign to end human sacrifice for the Jews

regarding public stoning, and I for one am not supporting it, it used to be carried out by the community in which the "offenders" lived. Thereby being an act by the "offended" community

China has one of the worlds worst human rights abuse records and executes the greatest number of its own citizens annually.
Maybe we should invade those commie bastards and free the people?

Its not surprising some people focus on moral issues to further other agendas.

Capital punishment is murder no matter what country, what the charge or what the method.

Originally Posted by Panda

China has one of the worlds worst human rights abuse records and executes the greatest number of its own citizens annually.
Maybe we should invade those commie bastards and free the people?

Its not surprising some people focus on moral issues to further other agendas.

Capital punishment is murder no matter what country, what the charge or what the method.

Exactly, state-sponsored murder's still murder however it's dressed up. Engaging in some sort of moral relativism or comparison over the way in which people are killed or for what crimes is an inherently flawed process that's both specious and largely redundant - for example the US is along with China and, off the top of my head, Iran the only nations that execute persons who committed crimes whilst still legally classified as "children". Does it matter more the way they are executed or that they are being executed in the first place?

NO SHIT, everything used to be carried out in the community that was offended, whether it be a bank robbery of a rape of a mans cow, used to be to damn far between communities and besides it was no one else business and they didn't give a fuck anyway, it was just a recreational thing for the community.

Some posters here cite laws when they're suitable and discard them when they're not.

If a 17-year-old child murders 20 people with his bare hands -- he should be executed after all trials and appeals have run their course and after such time further investigation reveals no additional information.

If a woman kisses a western man she should not be buried up to her chest and stoned to death by people she knows.

Where is your morality?

Originally Posted by Texpat

You use laws when they suit you and discard them when they don't.

I'm assuming this is directed at me? I do? Care to give me some examples?

If a 17-year-old child murders 20 people with his bare hands -- he should be executed after all trials and appeals have run their course and after such time further investigation reveals no additional information.

If a woman kisses a western man she should not be buried up to her chest and stoned to death be people she knows.

Where is your morality?

My "morality" is that I'm fundamentally opposed to the death-penalty. Whatever form it takes; I thought I'd made that pretty clear.

This thread is about stoning eight people for minor sex crimes and homosexuality.

The site below contains 11 arguments for the death penalty and 11 arguments against.

Capital punishment in the United StatesAnti-death - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Anti death penalty

• National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty
• Death Penalty Information Center
• Texas Moratorium Network
• The Innocence Project
• Truth in Justice
• Amnesty International USA campaign to abolish the death penalty
• Campaign to end the Death Penalty
• Against the Death Penalty — Religious Organization
• Death Penalty Focus
• Fight the death penalty
• Anti-Death Penalty Information: includes a monthly watchlist of upcoming executions and death penalty statistics for the United States.

Pro death penalty

• Pro Death Penalty Information : Pro Death Penalty Information - Scheduled Executions
• Pro Death Penalty.com
• Pro Death Penalty Resource Page - Wesley Lowe
• Clark County, IN Prosecutor's Page on capital punishment.
• In Favor of Capital Punishment - Quotes supporting Capital Punishment by Saqib Ali
• No Racial Bias Found - CNN Law Center archives
• The Ultimate Punishment - A professor defends the death penalty
• Is man a moral agent? - Ethics of capital punishment
• A defense of the death penalty
• Death Penalty Information - News, arguments and links
• Criminal Justice Legal Foundation Articles on the death penalty, and deterrence

I am in favor of capital punishment but only for the most serious crimes (murder).

^I'm still not clear on how that relates to my apparently using laws as a convenience? Honestly I'm not even sure what laws you're referring to.