Thread: Is It Time to Invade Burma?

The Burmese people need to be liberated - no doubt

Thats the 'end' but the 'means' how you do it is unclear.

Its not America's job to do it, and the ASEAN nations tend to coddle the Burmese leaders (possibly they do their own private wheeler deals with the Generals). They wouldn't make a stand in any trench.

there will be an invasion or a massive air drop, mark my words

A lot of criticism of other posters there Tex, but not much in the way of suggestions of how the big powers should handle it. This is an Internet forum where ordinary people put their ideas forward for debate. Do you have a stance on the matter or not? All I have heard from you is cry baby stuff about other posters. Lets hear your ideas on what should be done? Run away? is that it?

[quote=Redneck;621847]The Burmese people need to be liberated - no doubt

Thats the 'end' but the 'means' how you do it is unclear.

Its not America's job to do it, quote]

Why not? they tried it in Iraq. Admittedly, fucked it up badly though.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

there will be an invasion or a massive air drop, mark my words

if anything an airdrop.

never an invasion. mark my words.

Myanmar is a soverign country. As much as you might be outraged over the junta's cold-heartedness, it's their country. Like Blake said, they're China's baby. Equipped to defend thmselves with state-controlled air defense systems. Any incursion into their airspace would not be overlooked.

It's quite difficult to fly a stealth fighter jet into denied airspace at night. It's almost impossible to fly transports (even with TF-TA radars at low-level) during the day into denied airspace. Mountains and very poor weather would help, but the requirement is for the delta (flat) region. And assuming you drop the stuff, there's no guarantee it won't fall into the military's hands anyway unless you have spotters on the ground.

This whole idea about unrequested, force-feeding aid is perposterous. In order to do it, attacks on thier defense systems, which might take precious days/weeks to plan and execute ... and that's not even considering the UN, regional neighbors, ASEAN etc. From where will the airdrops originate? Thailand? Sa-mack probably won't go for that. India -- doubtful.

By then the damage will have been done.

Originally Posted by Blake7

Originally Posted by Butterfly

there will be an invasion or a massive air drop, mark my words

if anything an airdrop.

never an invasion. mark my words.

More likely some limited air drops to specified areas and only then after permission from the military Burmese dictators. We will all see it on the 6:00 news and feel good about it since that's the only areas the military will let news cameras into.

I feel all warm an fuzzy already.

The truth is that 100,000 dead peasants is nothing to the extremely wealthy military dictators. Why should they care, except that the rest of the world is making such a fuss about it? Plenty of other places to buy your seafood from.

^Yup, I agree. Never an invasion. Airdrops have to depend on getting clearance or the planes could be shot down. Helluva thing in't it? A country's leaders keeping aid out.

Panda's comments are good in this thread.

US interests and ability are not aligned for any such effort.

Air drop is a good idea. But you have to drop into a non-flooded area, And the soldiers would get there first, and definitely confiscate it.

Seems that the west is not sending cash. Very wise and it would be counter-productive. The Generals would love that.

I think these poor survivors are probably gonners already. Mark my words.

As crass as it seems, a million fewer mouths will ease the food shortages for a while.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Myanmar is a soverign country. As much as you might be outraged over the junta's cold-heartedness, it's their country. Like Blake said, they're China's baby. Equipped to defend thmselves with state-controlled air defense systems. Any incursion into their airspace would not be overlooked.

It's quite difficult to fly a stealth fighter jet into denied airspace at night. It's almost impossible to fly transports (even with TF-TA radars at low-level) during the day into denied airspace. Mountains and very poor weather would help, but the requirement is for the delta (flat) region. And assuming you drop the stuff, there's no guarantee it won't fall into the military's hands anyway unless you have spotters on the ground.

This whole idea about unrequested, force-feeding aid is perposterous. In order to do it, attacks on thier defense systems, which might take precious days/weeks to plan and execute ... and that's not even considering the UN, regional neighbors, ASEAN etc. From where will the airdrops originate? Thailand? Sa-mack probably won't go for that. India -- doubtful.

By then the damage will have been done.

Well, its already days, going on to a week now and people are dieing, mainly for lack of clean water more than food shortage.

I guess you must be right. The USA could never protect food aid dropping aircraft against the might of a tin pot little country like Burma. What was I thinking?

Too busy protecting the lives of people in the Middle East and teaching them how US style democracy works.

You know as well as I do that Burma wouldn't try to shoot down food aid transport planes flying over affected coastal areas in daylight hours with notice and fighter escort. As for Thailand and India intervening, -- you are dreaming.

You're an angry little troll, aren't you?

Why don't you hire a cessna and try flying in?

Tell us how it goes.

You know as well as I do

No, simpleton, I've forgotten much more than you'll ever hope to know.

Originally Posted by Texpat

No, simpleton, I've forgotten much more than you'll ever hope to know.

Self praise is no recommendation you know Tex.

The US Pacific fleet is a pretty awesome force in conventional warfare terms.
I doubt the Burmese generals would be stupid enough to try them on in aerial combat. Probably end up in just a few episodes of muscle flexing by the Burmese unless they wanted to lose their whole air-force. Wouldn't expect too much ground fire from the devastated delta region though.

Originally Posted by Panda

Probably end up in just a few episodes of muscle flexing by the Burmese unless they wanted to lose their whole air-force.

The Burmese Air Force...

Not that it matters much as noone is going to "invade" but their Air Force consists of 40 Chineses F-7's (1950s design) and 12 MiG-29s. Most in a constant state of inoperablility.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Unfortunately the US never waged a war on Humanitarian reasons, too bad because they would be popular.

Bosnia?

Panda - look, the problem is not the burmese army or air force but their Chinese patrons. Do you not understand?

Originally Posted by Blake7

Panda - look, the problem is not the burmese army or air force but their Chinese patrons. Do you not understand?

Absolutely! And I think GWB does also. No profit in Burma for the US.

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Panda

Probably end up in just a few episodes of muscle flexing by the Burmese unless they wanted to lose their whole air-force.

The Burmese Air Force...

Not that it matters much as noone is going to "invade" but their Air Force consists of 40 Chineses F-7's (1950s design) and 12 MiG-29s. Most in a constant state of inoperablility.

But they could hold the best of the US Pacific fleet at bay indefinitely according to Texpat. Such confidence in your country is admirable.

Originally Posted by Texpat

You simply have no idea

55555, Texpat's preferred sentence again.

I wonder why, beeing the genius you pretend to be, you're hiding up in Nong Kai nowhere arguing on an internet forum with some ignorant idiots. Are you a crétin ?

Originally Posted by Chinthee

Is It Time to Invade Burma?

Won't be surprised if the US of A does.

Nope. They won't piss off China. Not for a place like Burma.

As I ponder this issue, it makes me wonder just what type of installations China might have in Burma. I'm not thinking defense, but rather experimental.

I could imagine biological warfare, genetic or other experiments being carried out on inmates or just captured citizens.

Could there be something so unspeakable hiding in the jungles there that even China wouldn't want it in their own borders?

Just thinking out loud. No proof of any such allegation.

^ Actually, I was thinking from that angle as well.

I just coincidentally happen to be now watching Oliver North's war stories, and it's a multi-part feature on the Burma Campaign 1942-43.

They are showing and recounting unimaginably difficult conditions for foreign troops. Lack of any passable roads, the monsoon flooding of the few that are, etc.. Not sure how things have changed today, but it sounds like a hellhole to fight a war in. When a man went down, they just gave him water, some bullets, a bible, and left him in the jungle. It was that tough.

British General Orde Wingate was an extraordinary military man, though unconventional.



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