Thread: Gitmo Gift Shop That Gets Right Up Daily Mail's Nose!

^^^Whinging coattail beneficiary.

Scratch an American and you seem to always get this. The Aussies have a good term for it- 'Colonial cringe'. Yaawwnn.

So you're an ex-Colony. Get over it.

As for the merchandise, kinda surprised it took this long. I would also be surprised if I couldn't get similar stuff off the Net- amazed in fact. And Tex, I wager I could get my hands on that stuff if I wanted too- just buy a few drinks for a GI.

Hell, I reckon some people made a fortune off of those 'Ollie North for President' T shirts back in the 80's. I bought a few myself to take back to Australia.

^ I think Rush Limbaugh has had a Gitmo store for a long time.

Selling orange shirts, coffee mugs and ball caps etc.

I used to think that way Chi, but hanging around TD, I think I'd rather see them bombed. Just a few times to bring them back to reality. I'm certain the feeling is mutual among most Brit posters.

Who would you rather see bombed?

Originally Posted by chitown

America would jump to help the UK if it was needed. I have NEVER and I repeat NEVER heard an American bash the UK ever. We think of the UK as our ally, our brothers and sisters.

They are not, they used to colonize you, and are in theory the dominant or "superior" power that let you go. Other than that, good points. But I would like to remind you that the US didn't come to the rescue of Europe until it was a bit late, not at the beginning of the conflict when everything happened, so at the end, you just showed up when the party was about to end, thanks in part to Russia participation.

Originally Posted by chitown

Fast forward. on the anniversary of 911. There was a thread on TV asking "Where were you when 911 happened". Some of the posts were horrible. I think it was that dick head Robski that said he was in a bar in Berlin cheering the death of Americans.

time to move on with 911. Yeah, horrible things have been said about it, but guess what ? the world is horrible. 911 was fucking minor, 3000 death is nothing. I have met more people happy about 911 and saying "about fucking time" than people being really sorry about it, mostly from English speaking nationals. Nobody gives a fuck about 911, the US public has been played completely with emotional BS about that event, and you are still carrying the emotional scare. If it wasn't for the media and the WH playing that tune over and over, most Americans would have forgotten about it and move on, as they always do when something bad happen to them, and rightly so. Keep living in the past, and you will return to the past.

I don't know what sort of cloistered environment the US military must have foisted upon your poor self Tex, but that is not the way most people think at all. I was at an American themed bar, Dan Ryans in HK, during 911. There were people of all nationalities there, grieving, shocked and often weeping. I was busy trying to comfort my then American female assistant.

Nobody there was gloating- in fact the only thing of that nature was my assistant, in her grief, lashed out at some other people in the Bar saying 'I bet you like this, don't you?'. Well out of order, but she was in grief. I think you should take a close look at where these attitudes of yours originate from.

As for the London bombings, and a few others, lets not forget that they were in direct retaliation for the invasion of Iraq.

^^ You grossly underestimate the resolve of Americans.
Pearl Harbor lost about the same amount. The crux of the matter is that the US is about the only country around with the balls and the wherewithall to do something about Islamic extremism. You certainly can't -- and resent it.

And as for this:

I have met more people happy about 911 saying "about fucking time" than people being sorry about it.

Says a lot about a people who can feel that way regarding hijacked planes full of civilians smashed into buildings.

^ Hey Sabang. I am not sure what happened worldwide. My view is probably tainted by that TV thread I read.

were the lives of the the civilians killed in the twin towers worth more than the tens of thousands of civilian lives lost since 9/11?

Originally Posted by Butterfly

911 was fucking minor, 3000 death is nothing.

I hope that you understand that it is something to those that lost loved ones. I personally lost a wonderful dear friend who was working that day at Morgan Stanley Dean Witter.

So 911 deaths are nothing to those that did not experienced it first hand.

Originally Posted by sabang

I don't know what sort of cloistered environment the US military must have foisted upon your poor self Tex ...

Nice try Sabang. I used to feel quite differently. This opinion was formed since moving here.

And if you need evidence of that which you say is "unusual" regarding 9-11. Read Sputter's post.

Does it occur to most Americans that the majority of world criticism is not about the combatting of Terrorism as such, but the highly unsuccesful way we think you are going about it? There is a big difference you know.

But all this stuff belongs on other threads. This one is about the Gitmo gift shop, which presumably some people find distasteful, others great, I personally find inevitable. I can buy a nasty T shirt about dubya too if I want- actually I have one.

Ummm. Not going to read Sputter's post then?

Does it occur to most Americans that the majority of world criticism is not about the combatting of Terrorism as such, but the highly unsuccesful way we think you are going about it?

So that's what this is all about ... if we were doing it the right way you'd join? If things were all peachy-keen, you'd be right there beside us?

Ha ha ha.

But since it's shit you ran home with your tail between your legs ... of course.

^ Who's sputter? Stroller?

Frankly, I have already read a very compelling critique of the 'Blowback' aspect of American foreign policy written by an American actually, an ex- state Department analyst- Chalmers Johnson. But if you want to bump the thread, I'll add my two cents worth.

Originally Posted by Texpat

The crux of the matter is that the US is about the only country around with the balls and the wherewithall to do something about Islamic extremism. You certainly can't -- and resent it.

oh is that what it's all about ? guess what, it's unsuccessful and it's not working and that's why we are resenting it, get a fucking clue tex, you can't be that stupid or uneducated.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Says a lot about a people who can feel that way regarding hijacked planes full of civilians smashed into buildings.

says a lot about anyone who doesn't have a problem with bombing civilians from 10,000 feet with sophisticated weapons, it's the same really at the end.

Originally Posted by chitown

So 911 deaths are nothing to those that did not experienced it first hand.

same story everywhere, in the grand scheme of thing, it's doesn't matter, they are just bodies,

Originally Posted by sabang

Does it occur to most Americans that the majority of world criticism is not about the combatting of Terrorism as such, but the highly unsuccesful way we think you are going about it? There is a big difference you know.

Bingo, right on Sabang, thanks for the reminder

Cheney's speech about oil production in 1999, when Clinton was in office, is somehow linked to the regime-change liberation of Iraq in 2003?

Originally Posted by Texpat

Cheney's speech about oil production in 1999, when Clinton was in office, is somehow linked to the regime-change liberation of Iraq in 2003?

Yes.

The Iraq invasion was being met about in 1993. Wolfowitz was meeting with generals then.

I'm not saying the Iraqi invasion was inevitable, but it was being planned and hoped for by many in, and outside of the government.

Some circumstances came together to make it happen: GWB being elected, Cheney as VP. Richard Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, Libby, Kristol, and the PNAC.

9-11 was the key event that allowed the US to invade Iraq.

^^ Yes, directly. As was the PNAC manifesto, of which Cheney was a part.
The 'neo-Con's' came into power with the election of the Bush admin. They have all but gone now, only really Cheney has any influence, Bush also if you count him as an intellectual member of that cabal.

Originally Posted by Texpat

Cheney's speech about oil production in 1999, when Clinton was in office, is somehow linked to the regime-change liberation of Iraq in 2003?

absolutely.

Quote: Originally Posted by Eliminator Kick em all out and back to their own countries

= Flash: Say's the man on an expat forum

But he has not bombed blew anything up or wanted this country to change to meet his religion or sanitary habits either as the Ragheads have done to most countrys they are allowed to enter.

When W was the owner of the Texas Rangers? Damn, these really are forward-thinkers.

Why didn't slick Willy quell the rabid pack? Seems his SecState was runnin' with them.

I'm going to make a suggestion the giftshop add swim masks and snorkels to their souviner lineup.

Originally Posted by flash

were the lives of the the civilians killed in the twin towers worth more than the tens of thousands of civilian lives lost since 9/11?

Almost certainly, yes.