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    ^What are we not to forget about East Timor exactly?
    Do you think its funny that Australia among other UN member nations sent troops to suppress pro Indonesian militia so the East Timorese could establish democracy in their own country which had been invaded by Indonesia in 1975?

    I think you will find that Australia is one of the most culturally diverse developed countries on earth with more Australian citizens born overseas than other developed countries. (about one in 4 I think).

    BTW. Calling Australian Aborigines "Abos" is regarded very much as a racist remark. I happen to work mainly with Aboriginal people, some of them who are literally only a few generations removed from the stone age. Its not an easy task to integrate a whole social culture into the mainstream society in such a short time. Sure there was institutionalized racism in the past as there was in other countries like Canada and USA.

    I am married to an Asian and she is VERY well accepted by my family, her workmates and the community generally.
    You really don't know what you are talking about there lady.

    I notice you start out talking about the white Australia policy pre 1976. Actually it was phased out in parts starting after WW2 and non existent by 1973. White Australia policy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Then you suddenly jump from something that happened 40 years ago to the present by stating --- "You lot are more racist than Americans". Note the sudden jump from pre-'73 to the present tense?

    Get your facts right. If you want to talk about Australia back in the '40s to 60's just come out and say so, but don't try and mix and match Australian culture back then with now. Things have changed a lot since 1973, not just here, but in virtually all developed countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    ^What are we not to forget about East Timor exactly?
    Do you think its funny that Australia among other UN member nations sent troops to suppress pro Indonesian militia so the East Timorese could establish democracy in their own country which had been invaded by Indonesia in 1975?

    I think you will find that Australia is one of the most culturally diverse developed countries on earth...
    Yep, and, um, who stepped into East Timor after that so it could get its hands on its natural resources, like all that offshore oil?
    I lived in Oz for a year in the 70s. Racist as they get. So, it's changed? Ah yes, end of the White Policy and now multicultural. New foods. How many aborigines live in your neighbourhood, Panda? How many oz-abo marriages are there? How many abos in corporate jobs or govt positions? 555 You point the finger at the US and refuse to see the crap going on in your own country.
    And ya, Ruud speaks some Mandarin. (You know the diff between Cantonese and Mandarin, Panda? You're supposed to be a smart guy.) I speak, read and write Mandarin, but not like when I studied at HeiDa. Give me a prepared speech in putonghua and I can deliver it like a native.
    Stick to eating Szechuan takeout, Panda, and you'll do just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet Gorgon View Post
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    ^What are we not to forget about East Timor exactly?
    Do you think its funny that Australia among other UN member nations sent troops to suppress pro Indonesian militia so the East Timorese could establish democracy in their own country which had been invaded by Indonesia in 1975?

    I think you will find that Australia is one of the most culturally diverse developed countries on earth...
    Yep, and, um, who stepped into East Timor after that so it could get its hands on its natural resources, like all that offshore oil?
    I lived in Oz for a year in the 70s. Racist as they get. So, it's changed? Ah yes, end of the White Policy and now multicultural. New foods. How many aborigines live in your neighbourhood, Panda? How many oz-abo marriages are there? How many abos in corporate jobs or govt positions? 555 You point the finger at the US and refuse to see the crap going on in your own country.
    And ya, Ruud speaks some Mandarin. (You know the diff between Cantonese and Mandarin, Panda? You're supposed to be a smart guy.) I speak, read and write Mandarin, but not like when I studied at HeiDa. Give me a prepared speech in putonghua and I can deliver it like a native.
    Stick to eating Szechuan takeout, Panda, and you'll do just fine.
    Well seeing as I live in a remote community, yea, there are a lot of Aborigines in my community. And a lot of them I count as my friends. There are a lot of mixed marriages here where I live and there are a lot of Aboriginal and Islander people in both government and private jobs. We all get along pretty well most of the time.

    So you lived here for a year in the '70s. That was half a lifetime ago lady. The world has changed since then. Still a lot of work to be done though.

    So you can speak Mandarin. Big deal. I met a guy in Peru who could speak 4 other languages and he never even went to high school. A lot of people can speak a second language. It doesn't make you smarter than anyone else. Stop blowing your own trumpet. It only makes you look small.

    And it wasn't oil that the Aus Government ripped off East Timor it was gas. I was, and still am, against moving the international boundaries to steal a poorer countries resources. Got to concede that one. If you know anything about south east Asian geopolitical movements over the past few decades you will know that Indonesia is an expansionist military power in the region and Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Portugal sent troops into East Timor under a UN security Council resolution to free the people from Indonesian backed militia and establish democracy.

    BTW, the year now is 2008. You need to stop living in the 1970's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Well seeing as I live in a remote community, yea, there are a lot of Aborigines in my community.
    Ah, so you sequester them hideous beasts out in remote communities. Starting to understand now.

    We all get along pretty well most of the time.
    So says the white guy. I'll bet most abos doln't share your kumbaya sentiment. Especially those in jails and detention centers. Or the ones being kicked out of hotels in their own neighborhoods for being abo.

    Still a lot of work to be done though.
    Yeah. A lot.

    It only makes you look small.
    Better small and smart than big and dumb with a Texas-sized chip on your shoulder. Glass houses and all...

    And it wasn't oil that the Aus Government ripped off East Timor it was gas.
    Ahhhh. All is forgiven then.

    I was, and still am, against moving the international boundaries to steal a poorer countries resources. Got to concede that one. If you know anything about south east Asian geopolitical movements over the past few decades you will know that Indonesia is an expansionist military power in the region and Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Portugal sent troops into East Timor under a UN security Council resolution to free the people from Indonesian backed militia and establish democracy.
    You're a hypocrite of the highest order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texpat View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post
    Well seeing as I live in a remote community, yea, there are a lot of Aborigines in my community.
    Ah, so you sequester them hideous beasts out in remote communities. Starting to understand now.

    We all get along pretty well most of the time.
    So says the white guy. I'll bet most abos doln't share your kumbaya sentiment. Especially those in jails and detention centers. Or the ones being kicked out of hotels in their own neighborhoods for being abo.

    Still a lot of work to be done though.



    Yeah. A lot.

    It only makes you look small.
    Better small and smart than big and dumb with a Texas-sized chip on your shoulder. Glass houses and all...

    And it wasn't oil that the Aus Government ripped off East Timor it was gas.
    Ahhhh. All is forgiven then.

    I was, and still am, against moving the international boundaries to steal a poorer countries resources. Got to concede that one. If you know anything about south east Asian geopolitical movements over the past few decades you will know that Indonesia is an expansionist military power in the region and Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Portugal sent troops into East Timor under a UN security Council resolution to free the people from Indonesian backed militia and establish democracy.
    You're a hypocrite of the highest order.
    I think you lost the plot there a bit Tex. I happen to be the one living in an Aboriginal community and what you imagine it to be like from another country doesn't really count or interest me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panda View Post


    I was, and still am, against moving the international boundaries to steal a poorer countries resources. Got to concede that one. If you know anything about south east Asian geopolitical movements over the past few decades you will know that Indonesia is an expansionist military power in the region and Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Portugal sent troops into East Timor under a UN security Council resolution to free the people from Indonesian backed militia and establish democracy.
    You're a hypocrite of the highest order.
    Tex, this is Australia we are talking about now. Not USA where anyone who opposes government policy is automatically branded an anti Jewish, communist/terrorist sympathizer.

    Actually I am very proud we still have the freedom to criticize our government in this country without being regarded as a hypocrite or trator. But I guess being American you would understand that anymore. After the Patriot Act and all that I suppose you guys are too scarred to say much at all. I just hope you guys summon up enough courage to put those little "Xs" in the right box come election day in USA.

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