Thread: Global Warming or The End to Global Civilization

It would seem that in the last few years, dramatic climate change is already showing up as a direct result of our over consumption of Oil and other energy releasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

Despite the ridicule demonization of those facts by "lobbies" and the usual conservative idiots (who can't add 2+2 together btw), we seem to be heading to the end of our civilization if we keep going at that rate.

Should we choose economic power and unsustainable growth over our own preservation ? a lot of people would think so and apparently are not worried at all. Should we leave those individuals take the decisions for us ?

Basically, each great civilization has ended in chaos, mostly by "self-destruction", blinded by their own arrogance and "ignorance" of facts. We are about to overdose on our own stupidity and "ignorance" and that could mean the end of our civilization.

Would it be a bad thing if it was to be the only way to save the specie and the planet ?

Canada is having one of the worst winters on record. Perhaps you might explain why that is if we are having global warming?

^ actually, it is explained precisely by global warming. I suggest you document yourself on that topic

Perhaps an ice age is coming?

Climate facts to warm to:

Climate facts to warm to | The Australian

^ any original thoughts you might want to add Boon mee ?

:criket:

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ any original thoughts you might want to add Boon mee ?

:criket:

Yeah!
This was the coldest winter I've ever spent in Brazil!
Global Warming my ass!

Worst in China in 50 years, coldest in Sydney ever,

Speaking of China, did you know that emission standards in China are better than those in the US ?

^&^^&^^^ And yet Greenland is warmer than ever, warming more each year and warm enough now to even have a season long enough to farm and have cattle for the first time in centuries?? How does that happen? I wonder??
For them it's all good......

^
Fok!
It's all good for everyone. Just got to shell out a little more to EGAT for the A/C bill is all...

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Speaking of China, did you know that emission standards in China are better than those in the US ?

That's just funny.
Emission standards are pointless unless they're enforced.
Those standards apply to new cars as they come of the production line.
it doesn't apply to the millions of old buses and trucks belching fumes and black smoke.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

It's all good for everyone. Just got to shell out a little more to EGAT for the A/C bill is all...

keep laughing, you will probably the last to laugh when your balls are frozen solid in the middle of a nice summer day

Originally Posted by Butterfly

It would seem that in the last few years, dramatic climate change is already showing up as a direct result of our over consumption of Oil and other energy releasing CO2 in the atmosphere. Despite the ridicule demonization of those facts by "lobbies" and the usual conservative idiots (who can't add 2+2 together btw), we seem to be heading to the end of our civilization if we keep going at that rate...

The corporate apologists who deny global warming are indeed idiots. However, it's a little less clear that CO2 emissions are a cause and not an effect of this warming. I sat through a rather uninformative Al Gore movie which completely glossed over this issue. If anyone on this forum has a good link to a book, article or other resource establishing a causal relationship between CO2 emissions and global warming please let me know. I'm not trying being rhetorical here and mean no offense to well-informed environmentalists. It's just that I would really like to study this topic on my own.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Canada is having one of the worst winters on record. Perhaps you might explain why that is if we are having global warming?

A Winter that is colder or mild, or hotter is not necessarily linked to the concept of "global warming."

^No Shit,, startling deduction there sherlock..

But the records seem to show that overall the earth has lost some degree of heat every year for the last few years.
Most temporate regions have lost some and some frigid regions have gained a little heat, but overall it is a shade cooler.

Don't have a link as that is gleaned from a lot of reading I have done.

^ BG: I have not idea what you're talking about.

Anyway, here is an interesting article. Amazing how such a large chunk of ice - the size of Connecticut, can slip or fall off.

CNN) -- Some 220 square miles of ice has collapsed in Antarctica and an ice shelf about the size of Connecticut is "hanging by a thread," the British Antarctic Survey said Tuesday, blaming global warming. Scientists say the size of the threatened shelf is about 5,282 square miles.





"We are in for a lot more events like this," said professor Ted Scambos, a glaciologist at the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado at Boulder.

Scambos alerted the British Antarctic Survey after he noticed part of the Wilkins ice shelf disintegrating on February 28, when he was looking at NASA satellite images.

Late February marks the end of summer at the South Pole and is the time when such events are most likely, he said. Watch aerial footage of the area »
"The amazing thing was, we saw it within hours of it beginning, in between the morning and the afternoon pictures of that day," Scambos said of the large chunk that broke away on February 28.

The Wilkins ice shelf lost about 6 percent of its surface a decade ago, the British Antarctic Survey said in a statement on its Web site

Link: Massive ice shelf on verge of breakup - CNN.com

Originally Posted by blackgang

But the records seem to show that overall the earth has lost some degree of heat every year for the last few years. Most temporate regions have lost some and some frigid regions have gained a little heat, but overall it is a shade cooler.

Yes, I have come across such claims as well.
It really is very difficult for a layperson to judge which sources to believe, I have seen seemingly convincing arguments with back-up data to make contradictory statements.
One could of course go by the reputation of who presents their case, but this can be misleading as well, since the very institutions involved are under attack.

Why Hasn't This Man Been Arrested?

Global temperatures haven't changed at all in the last seven years & all this climate change theory is cobblers.

It's a scam.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

It would seem that in the last few years, dramatic climate change is already showing up as a direct result of our over consumption of Oil and other energy releasing CO2 in the atmosphere.

Despite the ridicule demonization of those facts by "lobbies" and the usual conservative idiots (who can't add 2+2 together btw), we seem to be heading to the end of our civilization if we keep going at that rate.

Should we choose economic power and unsustainable growth over our own preservation ? a lot of people would think so and apparently are not worried at all. Should we leave those individuals take the decisions for us ?

Basically, each great civilization has ended in chaos, mostly by "self-destruction", blinded by their own arrogance and "ignorance" of facts. We are about to overdose on our own stupidity and "ignorance" and that could mean the end of our civilization.

Would it be a bad thing if it was to be the only way to save the specie and the planet ?

2+2 = 4

We know astonishing little about every aspect of the environment, from its past history, to its present state, to how to conserve and protect it. In every debate, all sides overstate the extent of existing knowledge and its degree of certainty. - Michael Crichton

the only way to save the specie and the planet

Were doomed

Seems we can put a stop to global warming if we all pull out our wallets.

Funny that.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ actually, it is explained precisely by global warming. I suggest you document yourself on that topic

will this little chart help you some Grasshopper?



Note that 1998 is on the left and the warmest of the chart. Actually it is no longer the NASA offical hottest year, but the THIRD warmest. The veneer is coming off the AGW alter, and 2007 was the year that it all started to fall away. Soon it will be Global Cooling, since the solar cycles are much less active, and we will be getting cooler.

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Perhaps an ice age is coming?

It Really Is!! Not for some time though. However, we are about to enter the next Little Ice Age by 2030. These happen cyclically, and until the next stage of this major ice age we have been in for the last several million years, we should enjoy all the warmth we can. Because when it gets cold, all sorts of terrible things begin to happen, and more people die than with warm times.

BTY, nice Tits!!

Here's an article snippet of James Hansen, a respected NASA scientist. He was ordered by the GWB not to speak about the issue of Global Warming. Any government scientist that did could face "dire consequences," a reference to threatening a person's career. When he gave an interview to 60 minutes, a government official had to be present.

Now, Hansen is speaking out:

Put oil firm chiefs on trial, says leading climate change scientist

Testimony to US Congress will also criticise lobbyists
'Revolutionary' policies needed to tackle crisis

James Hansen, one of the world's leading climate scientists, will today call for the chief executives of large fossil fuel companies to be put on trial for high crimes against humanity and nature, accusing them of actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer.

Hansen will use the symbolically charged 20th anniversary of his groundbreaking speech (pdf) to the US Congress - in which he was among the first to sound the alarm over the reality of global warming - to argue that radical steps need to be taken immediately if the "perfect storm" of irreversible climate change is not to become inevitable.

Link and entire: Put oil firm chiefs on trial, says leading climate change scientist | Environment | The Guardian