Thread: I got this as an E Mail, but something to think about.

A German's point of view on Islam'
by Dr. Emanual Tanay, Psychiatrist

A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War ll owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.


'Very few people were true Nazis 'he said,' but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come.


My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.' We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace.


Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of the fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.


The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals.


The hard quantifiable fact is that the 'peaceful majority', the 'silent majority', is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.


China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.


The average Japanese individual prior to World War ll was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel and bayonet.


And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?


History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:


Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them and the end of their world will have begun.


Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.


As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts: the fanatics who threaten our way of life.


Lastly, at the risk of offending, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems of expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this - think about it - and send it on.


Emanuel Tanay, M.D.

Ann Arbor, MI.
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perhaps he has published some other papers that you might agree with

Well stated and been saying all along that normal muslims can squash this shite before it gets really out of control.

Very relevant and a point not taken by too many, though who but a fool can disagree with facts.

Work deprivation depression.
E Tanay - Psychiatr J Univ Ott, 1983
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Maybe he should check out the Ant.

Reasonable comments, but not helped by the hyperbole about fanatics rampagng across Africa.

Great job BG!! Can't add a thing more to that poignant summation....

More an opinion piece, but valid nonetheless. Normally a link is required for OPs in Issues, but I suppose the google link by baldrick will do.

Where's Stroller screaming bloody murder?

Originally Posted by Begbie

Maybe he should check out the Ant.

That's relevant to the 'issue' how?

Originally Posted by chinthee

Where's Stroller screaming bloody murder?

I think he's busy teaching a few on the local kids the importance of dying for your convictions.

Originally Posted by blackgang

When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

And how exactly is an opinion of a psychiatrist about an opinion of someone who remains unnamed from an unknown source worthwhile posting?

This drivel is on a level with low-quality blogs.

Originally Posted by blackgang

Originally Posted by chinthee

More an opinion piece, but valid nonetheless. Normally a link is required for OPs in Issues,

Why, I said where I got it and the authors name,, thats all I know, as I stated, it is something to think about, I never said we should use it as a standard to go to war.

I think you've admitted your source and put the proper weight on it. It can still be an issues discussion as long as we all recognize the validity of the source.

I think so many of the things this guy says out loud are what many people are thinking silently.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I think he's busy teaching a few on the local kids the importance of dying for your convictions.

Which is not something you'd know anything about.

Originally Posted by cujo

Very relevant and a point not taken by too many, though who but a fool can disagree with facts.

Unfortunately, this opinion piece does not contain a single fact.

Predictably, this thread has attracted the non-sensical replies it deserves.

I think the 'issue' is what's Dr. Emanual Tanay, Psychiatrist , doing sending out chain emails like this and urging it to be forwarded on in the first place?

Can we be sure it didn't originate from a Nigerian account?

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

I think the 'issue' is what's Dr. Emanual Tanay, Psychiatrist , doing sending out chain emails like this and urging it to be forwarded on in the first place?

Can we be sure it didn't originate from a Nigerian account?

Your point and Strollers points are all valid. But, we are all in agreement the source is highly questionable. The only issue is the content. Do those views represent the views of millions of people? I say...yes.

Originally Posted by Plan B

who more likely than not don't own a computer or an internet connection is the question. __________________

OH but a lot of mussies live in other places where english is the spoken language, and even in the Arab countrys english is also a spoken language and with the money that a lot of em have they are better set up than we are,, The Arabs arn not a bunch of broke bedouins living in a tent at an oasis with a few goats and no electricity.

Come on sTrollie, move outta the desert and live over here with us, they can still call you Mullah.

Originally Posted by chinthee

The only issue is the content. Do those views represent the views of millions of people? I say...yes.

Well that, in a nutshell, illustrates what's wrong with this world of ours in my opinion.

When an unsolicited chain-email with uncredited sources and based predominantly on subjective opinion is 'adopted'. And you can bet it won't be long before it's suddenly hoisted onto the pedestal of 'objective and undeniable fact', becoming beyond reproach.

In that light it's actually a masterly bit of work in its own right if you think about it - all the ingredients are there; the sweeping generalisations, the emotive appeals, and the good 'Dr' signing off on it all the lend an air of intellectual credibility.

Originally Posted by chinthee

But, we are all in agreement the source is highly questionable. The only issue is the content. Do those views represent the views of millions of people? I say...yes.

Maybe this view is shared by many, but I question the validity of citing an anonymous, supposedly German aristocratic holocaust victim (was there such person?) to lend authority to the opinion.
Can the OP not express his own thoughts, instead of posting idiotic personal attacks like this:

Originally Posted by blackgang

Come on sTrollie, move outta the desert and live over here with us, they can still call you Mullah.

???

Originally Posted by blackgang

OH but a lot of mussies live in other places where english is the spoken language, and even in the Arab countrys english is also a spoken language and with the money that a lot of em have they are better set up than we are,, The Arabs arn not a bunch of broke bedouins living in a tent at an oasis with a few goats and no electricity.

I suppose educated "mussies" with internet access have better things to do than provide targets for uneducated, irrate Westerners' insults or quarrel about obscure conspiracy theories from chain-mails.

Originally Posted by chinthee

I think so many of the things this guy says out loud are what many people are thinking silently.

this is known as "projection".

A mildly interesting read, but what does it actually say? Nothing of substance.

What if we just substitute the words 'Moslem' and 'Fanatics' with the word 'Americans'. It reads just as well, and still says nothing.

Originally Posted by chinthee

More an opinion piece, but valid nonetheless. Normally a link is required for OPs in Issues, but I suppose the google link by baldrick will do.

Where's Stroller screaming bloody murder?

Been missing me?

Baldrick's link does not relate to the OP at all, it merely lists articles in scientific journals by Mr. Tanay, who is supposed to be, but unconfirmed, author of the chainmail.
So how this "would do" as a source is beyond my comprehension.

If you search for the title of the piece, links to blogs like this come up:
Introduction to Islam: 11월 2007

So how this "would do" as a source is beyond my comprehension.

If you search for the title of the piece, links to blogs like this come up:
Introduction to Islam: 11ì›” 2007

But since you got on your high horse and got your ass ran off, I don't think anyone, I know I don't, Gives a fuck what you think and there is pobly a lot beyond your comprehension.

^^ I will allow that Stroller is technically right about this issue. We should take a vote about whether the thread stays if we want to never make exceptions to our rules.....but wait...those rules were made by Stroller!

I'm open to suggestions.

Pat Condell is on a rip this week. Watch this and see if it bolsters BG's OP or not.