Thread: Is it Time Up for DEI?

It must be time for jazz hands aand to dust off me sunflower lanyards

Originally Posted by DrWilly

Really? Ask all the woman who found out that their husbands were gay… folks try to hide such proclivities by kidding themselves and usually trying too hard.

And another one.

A celibate person is one who abstains from sexual activity and is unmarried, often due to religious beliefs or personal choices. This can be a temporary or permanent state, and the specific level of abstinence can vary.

Stick to barbie, the gestapo, stukas and hookers, Looper.


And may there always be syrup in your single malt scotch.

Ethnic minority candidate given police job despite failing interview
West Yorkshire Police accused of ‘losing the plot’ and ‘becoming obsessed by race’

01 May 2025 3:35pm BST

Senior officers in West Yorkshire Police intervened to ensure that an ethnic minority candidate who failed her interview was given the job, according to leaked documents seen by The Telegraph.

The female officer was initially rejected but eventually given a post after her case was taken up by the force’s chief officer team, which includes Chief Constable John Robins.

To get around her failure, West Yorkshire Police then scrapped interviews for officers transferring to the force, the documents show.

The move will increase pressure on the force, one of the UK’s largest, which has already been accused of prioritising ethnic minority candidates with “appalling racist hiring” practices.




West Yorkshire Police used the policy change to offer jobs to six other ethnic minority officers who had failed their interviews or had been rejected from shortlists in the previous eight months.


One email seen by The Telegraph shows that the female candidate was allowed to join before pre-employment checks were carried out on the orders of the chief officer team.

‘Lost the plot’
A senior officer involved in recruitment made an official complaint to the police watchdog.

An insider told The Telegraph: “West Yorkshire Police have lost the plot in becoming obsessed by race. It can’t be right that officers who failed interviews were then given jobs.”

But West Yorkshire Police said a complaint that the police constable had been “given favourable treatment” had been investigated “thoroughly” and no evidence had been found to support the allegations.

The force is under scrutiny after The Telegraph first disclosed that white British applicants are being temporarily blocked from jobs as new recruits to boost diversity.


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Originally Posted by Looper

It is fundamentally morally wrong to choose people for anything based on skin colour, dna, gender attributes, sexual orientation etc

Not it is not . Your argument is that these people are not competent because they are not white males

How do you cognitively marry this with your view that women need to be protected by laws ?

Originally Posted by taxexile

..... as i suspect, will idiocy like that!

I am sure you have some cherries to pick

Originally Posted by Topper

Could you explain how DEI thwarts merit based approaches to opportunity?

As soon as you introduce a DEI criteria, such as flagging that a position needs to be reserved for XYZ minority, you have prioritised identity politics over merit based appointment, so someone is missing out from a merit based perspective.

Originally Posted by Happy As Larry

Could you let me know when this was actually the case?

Before DEI was introduced there was merit based hiring. The results were based on hiring the best candidate. The candidate pool in some cases may have been skewed towards one group for example, so the appointments were similarly skewed, resulting in alleged unfair systemic bias.

The solution is not to put your finger on that scales during the appointment process. The solution is make sure that the candidate pool is not skewed in any direction for reason of unfair prevention of access to the candidate pool (e.g. through unfair access to education).

However candidate pools can be skewed for reason of preference, e.g. there are less women in STEM than men since women are simply less interested in STEM than men. Men's and women's brains are different on average in many behavioural characteristics, due to differing formative evolutionary pressures.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Yet plays dress up in high heels and stalkings

Stalking someone while wearing high heels is easier said than done, take it from me.

Originally Posted by Troy

Looper, pilots are human, they make mistakes, men and women alike.

Given that women have weaker and slower 3D spatial reasoning and modelling skills than men (the reason why men are better chess players than women) I would expect that men are on average better instinctively skilled at avoiding the crash in the situation described.

I would be curious to know if 3D spatial reasoning is adequately tested when gathering helicopter pilot candidates, or if this politically inconvenient fact is airbrushed out of the evaluation matrix.

Originally Posted by Looper

Given that women have weaker and slower 3D spatial reasoning and modelling skills than men (the reason why men are better chess players than women) I would expect that men are on average better instinctively skilled at avoiding the crash in the situation described.

I would be curious to know if 3D spatial reasoning is adequately tested when gathering helicopter pilot candidates, or if this politically inconvenient fact is airbrushed out of the evaluation matrix.

You need to be careful when carrying out comparisons using averages. It does not mean that all women are weak at 3D spatial reasoning, nor does it mean that all men are better than women at 3D spatial reasoning. Even the idea that women's brains are somehow different is something I would challenge. The world has moved on, and for the better, because women have been given the opportunities that they didn't have in the past.

Pilot training includes 3D spatial reasoning tests and women do pass those tests. They would need such skills in order to obtain, for instance, instrument ratings.

e.g. there are less women in STEM than men since women are simply less interested in STEM than men. Men's and women's brains are different on average in many behavioural characteristics, due to differing formative evolutionary pressures.

Says you.

It's lulu land to claim the female brain is the same as the male brain. Sure, they're similar but they're not the same.

In the dating market, women's hypergamy has increased. There's no room for inclusion when it comes to women's sexual preferences. More and more women are chasing the top percentiles of men. Social media seems to be one reason for that. Once they've been fxcked by a top 5 or 10% guy, they're less interested in a guy of the appropriate SMV (sexual market value). It's no surprise more and more young guys are not getting laid. Feminism and the contemporary education system in western countries has blown so much smoke up women's asses that many way overrate their looks and attractiveness to men. Men are stunned by many many mid chicks rating themselves a 9 or 10 SMV. This leads these girls to only date men out of their league. And then they 're pumped and dumped by Chad and Tyrone. That's why we're always hearing there are no good men out there. The girls need to get more inclusive and date within their league. In the sexual market place, there's less and less inclusivity.

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What exactly does any of that drivel have to do with DEI?

Originally Posted by Troy

Even the idea that women's brains are somehow different is something I would challenge.

I decided that was something worth googling and came up with this

Just a moment...

Originally Posted by beachbound

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What exactly does any of that drivel have to do with DEI?

Women's sexual preferences are moving in the opposite direction.

^ The dribbling idiot thread is over there ---------->

Originally Posted by 39TG

Excellent post Looper. It's really important the most suitable people are flying helicopters in risky locations. This female pilot wasn't up to the job. Even when she had experienced people in the helicopter with her, she's still wasn't good enough. I chalk these deaths up to DEI pilots.

And what do you chalk these deaths up to?

Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by pilot error - Wikipedia

Originally Posted by baldrick

I decided that was something worth googling and came up with this

Just a moment...

Given that they're safer drivers, one could safely extrapolate that they are safer pilots...

The fatal crash involvement rate per 10,000 drivers for men was three times that for women (5.3 vs 1.7)

Originally Posted by baldrick

I decided that was something worth googling and came up with this

Just a moment...

Significance at the higher and lower ranges of the distributions according to that study. That isn't really enough to conclude differences, but probably enough to warrant further research funding.

Originally Posted by Looper

As soon as you introduce a DEI criteria, such as flagging that a position needs to be reserved for XYZ minority, you have prioritised identity politics over merit based appointment, so someone is missing out from a merit based perspective.

Or perhaps you've prioritised removing the ability to give a job to a fellow white high school graduate because you don't really want to give it to that pesky nignog with a masters degree.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Or perhaps you've prioritised removing the ability to give a job to a fellow white high school graduate because you don't really want to give it to that pesky nignog with a masters degree.

Did you mean?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Or perhaps you've prioritised giving a job to a fellow white high school graduate because you don't really want to give it to that pesky nignog with a masters degree.

If so then you are setting up a false dichotomy between DEI and nepotism.

Nepotism is a problem in more backward corrupt societies. Not so much in the west if at all.

The real choice is between DEI and merit based selection.

Originally Posted by david44

Do you mean places like Uk, Canada, Belgium, Sweden Denmark and Australia who have heridatary heads of state?

Royal families are anachronistic cultural traditions which are special exceptions to the way western societies generally handle the award of employment, promotion and general opportunity within the body of their general population.

Western democracies are the example nations that the world has looked to for many decades on how to do things fairly when it comes to the award of opportunity.

I would contend that DEI is one of the first major steps backward in that march of exemplary social progress.

Originally Posted by Looper

If so then you are setting up a false dichotomy between DEI and nepotism.

Nepotism is a problem in more backward corrupt societies. Not so much in the west if at all.

The real choice is between DEI and merit based selection.

What the fuck are you on about now?

It seems like if you had your way the Civil Rights Act would be overturned and Jim Crow laws reenacted.

Do you really think DEIA programs were created to fight nepotism?

I understand you to a certain degree looper. I am against the current company polucy of ONLY promoting women to certain positions, in order to provide an even male/female proportion at the higher levels. This is wrong and has caused a lot of tension, with many high potential males leaving.

Having said that, I have spent many hours having to prove the potential of several wonen at work. Actually getting hours to train them has been difficult, if not impossible, at times. I can tell you that I try to be objective, and in the main, I am, not caring about sex, religion, or indeed anything else when I train and test people.
One of the most encountered problems I have us that managers will tell me that certain women are too pretty and are not worth training because they will leave to have kids.

If paternal and maternal leave were to be made equal, as it has become in some socities, then this is is not issue. Except of course it should also mean equal pay.

I have recently trained two women in the aviation world who are heads and shoulders above anyone in the department. One of them has the potential to be one of the very best. Oh, and they clock out before training and continue during evenings and weekends. Smart and dedicated to work .

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Do you really think DEIA programs were created to fight nepotism?

I am not sure what you are talking about.

I don't think Nepotism is relevant to the discussion. You brought nepotism into it with your comment about giving jobs to mates instead of blacks.

The original discussion was about DEI vs Merit based appointment.