Thread: Hamas Attack, breakout from Gaza many rockets fired

Originally Posted by taxexile

Hamas is inflating its casualty figures, just as they are exaggerating the "humanitarian crisis".

hamas has a clear propaganda incentive to inflate figures for casualties and shortages.

The gullible West is falling for Hamas's fictitious death figures

No shortage of suckers among the self proclaimed TD intellectual elites …

The author is a Jewish propagandist working for the Israeli state whose disinformation finds a susceptible ear in the Daily Telegraph whose devotion to all things Conservative has been cast in stone since 1945, and of course has been a publicist for the interests of British Jewry not least because it sucks the cock of US hegemony at the drop of a tissue.

SK, you really are a bit of a sap, aren’t you.

Almost as naive as Snubbie.

I presume the number of stone throwers is at a record low now?

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

The gullible West is falling for Hamas's fictitious death figures

No shortage of suckers among the self proclaimed TD intellectual elites …

So what is the correct number? How many innocent civilians have been killed in Gaza by the 7,000 + Israeli rockets?

Folk here are quite unsophisticated and do love to drink the soma peddled by their icons, like mother’s milk.

Credulous and blinkered but still maintain they are perspicacious enough to divine the truth. Deluded of course but there it is.

The IDF has bombarded unceasingly since October 7 hundreds of tons of ordnance into an area 25 miles long by 5 miles wide populated by 2 million civilians, a territory as densely populated as Hong Kong. As witnessed by many independent sources the IDF in addition to dropping 1000lb bombs into crowded civilian neighbourhoods are using white phosphorus munitions in contravention of international law.

The casualty rate and destruction is catastrophic. Only a halfwit or total cvunt would, or could, believe otherwise.

They are going to "Dresden" Gaza.

Ehud Barak said so

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

using white phosphorus munitions in contravention of international law.

Used that for years; in Lebanon too

s.a.

The author is a Jewish propagandist

and yet again, you fall back on your usual schtick of blaming the messenger. whilst in the same breath quoting YOUR favoured messengers. so who do we believe, messenger 1 or messenger 2 you pathetic pikey pillock. what do you care about the palestinians? you dont of course, but you hate jews so here is your chance to jump on the bandwagon conveniently rolling by.

the israeli-palestinian conflict has been hijacked, it is the only dispute in asia, africa or the middle east that matters to the so called cultural torch bearers, and of course teak doors foreskin flapping fuckwits, why? easy! its because israel is jew central, kike city, jangwat jew, and the idiots signing anti-israel letters and flooding the internet with their anti semitic hate have no interest in the fate of the kurds, or of the tibetans, or of any other minority.

how many of the supposedly pro-palestinian demonstrators on the streets of london or new york or berlin marched against the chinese genocide of the uyghurs, the country’s muslim minority? how many marched against islamic State, or president assad, murderers of so many muslims?

the western cultural elites, the far-left barely literate yobs and the bloodthirsty islamist extremist scum don’t care about the millions of muslims around the world who desperately need rescuing from tyrants, genocidal dictators or poverty, all they fucking care about is the end of the jews.

Originally Posted by david44

Dresden

Originally Posted by david44

The death toll was similar scale to Hamburg, St Petersburg or Stalingrad

Surely not, David

Originally Posted by helge

Surely not, David

Sorry poorly worded,I meant to Hamburg Firestorm , the totals in Russia while debated are in millions combined Axis and Soviet fatalities.

The outrage was Dresden had little strategic significance though a cultural icon equal to Prague, Paris or Vienna pre war.
In addition like the current tragdey many undocumented refugees were victims,

Figures may never be complete but suffice to say huge, wiki suggest a qurter of a million have seen figures ranging 20-300k in many books my family had on the subject.
I met a woman refugee from Breslau today Wroclaw who was there at the time.

It is thought that some 25,000–35,000 civilians died in Dresden in the air attacks, though some estimates are as high as 250,000, given the influx of undocumented refugees that had fled to Dresden from the Eastern Front. Most of the victims were women, children, and the elderly.

Wiki cites Hamburg similar
As part of a sustained campaign of strategic bombing during World War II, the attack during the last week of July 1943, code named Operation Gomorrah, created one of the largest firestorms raised by the Royal Air Force and United States Army Air Forces in World War II,[2] killing an estimated 37,000 people in Hamburg[3] (and wounding 180,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...%20war%20crime.

ON a lighter note Slaughterhouse Five is a comic book and film by Kurt Vonnegut who was actually there as an American prisoner of war at the time.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

The gullible West is falling for Hamas's fictitious death figures

No shortage of suckers among the self proclaimed TD intellectual elites …

What is an acceptable number, SK? 6,000? 3,500? 2,000?

Does that make it ok?

Indeed each and every non combatant a victim on all sides Lebanon, Syria Israel Gaza and proliferation likley.

This will get ugly and a bloody prolonged clearing of Hams the razing of Gaza and current Hamas may just create more issues.
New speaker Johnson won't help

The Israel-Hamas war has left Britain divided

Politicians in the UK are nervous to speak about the conflict – but if ever there was a time for calm public debate it is now.

By Andrew Marr

Photo by Guy Corbishley / Alamy



These are times in which we shouldn’t first turn to historians or political commentators, but rather to poets, such as WB Yeats and WH Auden – of whom more on shortly. We are walking into dangerous days, during which many seem determined to drive the rest of us towards insane binaries. Do you stand with the Jews or with the Arabs? Are you with Hamas or Benjamin Netanyahu?
Answer. Come on! From hate-swollen faces marching in anti-Semitic demonstrations to the self-righteous harangues of mainstream media commentators, the terrorism of Hamas is doing exactly what it was always meant to do. The torture, the burning alive, the decapitations are deeply distressing to witness, and have turned conversations into rows around the world.
[See also: The Middle East on the brink]

So, before looking at the political consequences of the crisis for Britain – perhaps its least important aspect – it feels right to restate the obvious. The ideology of Hamas, as of Hezbollah, is both evil and impossible. It is to wipe out the state of Israel, the only Jewish homeland in the world, and to expel or murder any Jews left behind in pursuit of Islamic theocracy. It must never succeed.
The ideology of the extremist parties and individuals in Netanyahu’s cabinet is also wrong. It is to keep pressing against Arabs on all sides: an ever-expanding, geographical violence that never concedes that the land of “Greater Israel”, which they believe was promised by God, can be shared equally with, or belong to, any non-Jew, until the entire Arab Palestinian population accepts Jewish sovereignty. Some of its members deny the existence of a Palestinian people, some are disciples of an extremist ideology that has called for the expulsion or killing of Arabs. This element of Israeli society must never succeed.



Yet liberal, democratic Westerners are today being bullied into a flat, either/or choice. If you stood in London and heard the chant “From the river to the sea” – which is a call for the eradication of Israel – and someone were to call this “a beautiful thing”, they would be blandly glossing over the great number of deaths, echoes of the Holocaust and potential nuclear war that the statement represents. This is the reality of the Iranian theocratic state.

Or it might seem that if you want to stand in fellowship with Jewish British citizens and against anti-Semitism, you must stand with the Israeli government and applaud cutting off electricity to two million people who had the temerity to be born in the wrong place, and the air strikes around their hospitals. You must yearn for a ground invasion. You must dehumanise the other.

No. Obviously, no. Any sane discussion about the future of the Middle East can only take place in the space between this deranged binary. And unlike Israel itself, this is a spacious space. It sprawls, this political land, across the vociferous, disputative but determined Jewish and Israeli political opposition to the Netanyahu government; and the non-extremist, anti-Hamas parties and voices of the Palestinians and surrounding Arab states.


Reaching beyond the binary means reaching above ancient religious doctrine: politics, done correctly, may eventually defang religion. The future, if it is not to be catastrophic, must involve disarmament, significant aid to impoverished Arab populations, an end to settlement expansionism, and the ultimate sharing of land and civic spaces across two states. This can only come after peace and security. It is a future in which both Hamas and Zionist extremism have no place.
You may say this is impossible – but, I ask, what is your alternative? There is hope. As I write, the frantic shuttle diplomacy of the US secretary of state, Antony Blinken (with President Joe Biden, at the time of writing, due to visit Israel), appears to be opening up the possibility of humanitarian corridors through the border crossing between Gaza and Egypt. So far, Iran is watching and spewing words only. If Biden and Blinken, backed by two US carrier fleets, are able to avert cataclysm by drawing in the help of Saudi Arabia and Egypt, it will be the most consequential act of diplomacy in modern times.
Politicians in London must start talking to forces inside Israel beyond Netanyahu’s cabinet. We need better conversations with Egypt, Fatah, Jordan and the Israeli opposition, and a major international aid programme. How developed is Labour’s foreign policy network beyond Europe? That is, suddenly, an important question.
[See also: PMQs today: Keir Starmer reaches a careful balance on Israel]
In Westminster, Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer made a point of appealing both to British Jews and Muslims. Rightly, because there are fanatics about. Two Jewish schools in London were recently vandalised with red paint. Naive and bloodthirsty propaganda intertwines. I give you Yeats’ “The Second Coming”: “The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere/The ceremony of innocence is drowned;/The best lack all conviction, while the worst/Are full of passionate intensity.”
While it is impossible to guess the immediate future, the potential for a catastrophe that will rock the world and transform our politics remains potent. Presently, comparisons with the spring of 1914 don’t sound entirely barmy.
If ever there was a time for calm deliberation it is now. Yet all this is taking place in an untrustworthy media age when, because of AI deepfakes and wicked manipulation of images, we simply cannot trust our eyes. Did Israel really attack Gaza with white phosphorus munitions, as has been claimed but the Israeli military denies?
Social media feeds us vignettes from the street – such as people ripping down posters that show images of kidnapped Israelis – that are designed to anger, divide and stop us thinking clearly. Thank goodness for the mainstream media that continue to edit and fact-check content.
[See also: Misinformation in the Israel-Hamas war is a serious problem]
Yet this isn’t the time for uncontroversial journalism. We are told not to connect the history of Israeli occupation with the foul terrorism unleashed by Hamas. But without context, without explanation, all we are left with is a chaos of inexplicable human evil from which there is no political exit. I quoted Yeats. Here’s Auden’s poem “September 1, 1939”, written at another ominous moment: “I and the public know/What all schoolchildren learn/Those to whom evil is done/Do evil in return.”
Most MPs I have spoken to recently seemed alert to the danger of political unravelling here. Hamas supporters on the streets are doing incalculable damage to Muslim communities across Britain. British political leaders have been reactive – horrified, cautious, unwilling to move beyond glib and nervous verities. But beyond the short term, it is not enough – and it would not have been enough for previous generations of political leadership.
This feels more dangerous for the British left than for the right. Polling by YouGov suggests that, although the majority of the UK adults polled support both sides equally or are undecided, support for the Palestinian cause is greater among Labour voters than for the Israeli one (the opposite is true of Conservatives). The gap is wider among younger voters – 39 per cent of 18- to 24-year-olds sympathise with Palestine and 11 per cent do with Israel .
Although Starmer has vigorously shoved the anti-Semitic left out of the party, Labour politicians are feeling the heat about their support for Israel far more intensely than Tory ones. There has not been enough emphasis from Labour on the humanitarian consequences of a Gaza invasion, and two Labour Muslim councillors have already quit the party over Starmer’s position on Gaza. The hard right, inevitably, sees an opportunity. Suella Braverman reportedly suggested that waving a Palestinian flag may be a criminal offence. Extremist parties are mobilising on the streets. It isn’t a huge jump to see a fevered anti-migrant and Islamophobic backlash ahead.
It is a great mistake to believe that we are an island. If we are on the edge of war, we should never forget that wars tend to upend everything we think we know about politics. The blood-dimmed tide is loosed.
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One senses that the increasing savagery of the Zionists in killing as many Palestinians as they can under the pretext of provocation is beginning to strain the support of even the most indulgent of allies.

As I said before, only the halfwitted or totally cvuntish could possible sanction the continuing slaughter in Gaza.

When one hears the cynical and evil claims from the Jews that there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza you just know the creepy little fuckers are getting desperate.

Two million people without electrical power, without water, without a functioning sewage system, with no food, with no medical care, one million of whom were forced to evacuate homes to nowhere but the streets where they were attacked by more bombs, rockets and shellfire, all of whom are compelled to hide amid rubble in constant fear of death or maiming, is not a humanitarian crisis?

Those fucking Jews are nazis, pure and fucking simple.

They should rename the northern Gaza strip Warsaw-Belsen. Maybe that might concentrate the minds of those inhuman savages in Tel Aviv

You’re right Prag, that why I rely on journalists for data, not PR shills for lying, propagandising turds.Look, which bit of the Israeli ambassador’s statement that the destruction of Hamas justified the slaughter of 600,000 civilians did you not get your rather slow witted mind round.The Jewish cvunts are intent on genocide, they are in the process of annihilating and maiming 30% of the Palestinian population in Gaza.It is their policy, evidenced by saturation bombing of civilian neighbourhoods since October 7, the escalating death toll, the destruction of the entire health system, the embargo on food and water supplies, and of course by repeated Jewish government claims and th@t of the IDF that they are “ going to destroy them all “. Palestinian women, children, the aged, the infirm and the vulnerable are simply just collateral meat for their grinder of retribution.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Messed up post because website not working properly.

It’s a metaphor for all the pro Zionists posting their bollox here.

Originally Posted by pickel

For a guy that claims to take an unbiased view (like Harry) in this conflict, you sure do smoke a lot of Zionist pole SK.

Originally Posted by Edmond

I presume the number of stone throwers is at a record low now?

Yes, and obviously there won't be a whole new generation of them after the last few weeks.

Originally Posted by Takeovers

That's already the case. A not insignificant number of Israel citizens are Muslim Palestineans.

Thank you!

osama

Jewish cvunts

adolf

Zionists

well make your fucking mind up you belligerent irish prick.

Originally Posted by Storekeeper

Thank you!

Quite a few of the Palestinians being bombed are Christians.

You know where Bethlehem is I presume?

I like to mix it up a little, Tax. When one is dealing with the inhumane, the morally bankrupt, the psychopathically homicidal and doctrinally fanatical, one has a rich and varied smorgasbord of invective upon which to draw when referring to the little fuckers.