Thread: The British Prime Minister - for as long as there is a Great Britain

Have I woken in some dystopian future, the Tories increasing civil servant numbers in their last 5 yers, Labour cutting them

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Have I woken in some dystopian future, the Tories increasing civil servant numbers in their last 5 yers, Labour cutting them

Labour are adopting many of Reforms policies.

NHS England has been riddled with holes for years, employing temporary and unqualified/inexperienced management staff who blunder around and then leave to mess up somewhere else.

As has become increasingly common in several fields in England, hard working and qualified staff have had to bow down to these mercenary bs merchants.

And if Labour are adopting Reform policies then they should be right up the racist thicko's street, though doubtless they won't have any examples.

Starmer has gone full DOGE Musk on this one, its a sensible policy, of that there is no doubt, but implementing it, and all the other civil servant/quango castration schemes they are talking about will be horrendously expensive thanks to redundancy payments, compensation and pension entitlements etc. and many of those who lose their jobs will no doubt be re employed in other new high paying NHS roles that will have to be set up. The hard left, the unions and labours gaza cocksuckers will vociferously oppose this, but Starmer has a big enough majority to survive. His plans to get millions of lazy fucks, malingering chancers and smirking immigrant trash off benefits and back to into work will divide the party even more.

Moving to the centre right is both a sensible and a crafty move by Starmer, it placates Trump, something that is necessary if heavy tariffs are to be avoided, and will put more pressure on the Tories and Reform, who seem to be self destructing at the moment. Whatever way you slice this, the UK is fucked at the moment.

Seems to me starter is doing more to sort out the Israel/ Palestine thingo than Trump did. If anyone's gonna bring peace it will be Europe
Trump can't be trusted.

Originally Posted by BLD

Trump can't be trusted.

No shit.

Originally Posted by BLD

Seems to me starter is doing more to sort out the Israel/ Palestine thingo than Trump did. If anyone's gonna bring peace it will be Europe
Trump can't be trusted.

Neither Europe nor the UK's Starmer will manage to sort out the Israel/ Palestine issue. And neither Trump nor Netanyahu will bring a lasting peace there.

Originally Posted by Neverna

Neither Europe nor the UK's Starmer will manage to sort out the Israel/ Palestine issue. And neither Trump nor Netanyahu will bring a lasting peace there.

sad but true

Originally Posted by BLD

Seems to me starter is doing more to sort out the Israel/ Palestine thingo than Trump did. If anyone's gonna bring peace it will be Europe
Trump can't be trusted.

Four months ago, more Americans felt Trump could be trusted than Harris. Or if not, the minor difference in trustworthiness was outweighed by other factors. I think too many people in Europe loathe Jews. Israel cannot trust Europe. The lazy and unsophisticated low IQ and age impaired Trump is more trustworthy than the Europeans when it comes to Israel.

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Have I woken in some dystopian future, the Tories increasing civil servant numbers in their last 5 yers, Labour cutting them

We shouldn't overlook the Tories severely downsized the British military when the danger from Russia was increasingly obvious. The fools should have been rearming. The Tories are supposed to be good at that kind of thing. The contemporary Tories are pathetic.

Originally Posted by cyrille

No shit.

That's correct. I never talk shit

Well that silly little pinstriped pipsqueak Philp certainly got his arse handed to him by Big Ange yesterday.

^ I understood it that Ange was standing in because Keir was in Canada taking a knee picking up Donalds rubbish. Still it was a refreshing change having someone other that Mr FlipFlop at the despatch box, and refreshing to note Labour have caved to a proper enquiry about Paki Rape Gangs that they were trying to avoid, much like their councillors and lefty social workers have been busy covering it up for over 2 decades. Now lets stock using the term grooming and call it and these scum what they really are.

Wow.

So nothing to do with the party that was in power for 14 years, had an enquiry and failed to implement any of its recommendations then.

Breathtaking.

Watching these tory scumbags get on their high horses is quite nauseating.

^ Nor the party that started importing this muslim scum on mass and presided over and ignored what was going throughout the blair / brown years in the predominantly labour led councils, towns and boroughs where these rape gangs were allowed to operate with impunity.

oh and if reports are to be believed still are

Well that’s a load of obfuscation and highly subjective.

As was your previous load of .

Fact is that tories posing as those ‘taking to task’ Labour on this is utterly absurd.

They were in power.

They sat on it.

Its going to be an uncomfortable few years for Labour, its MPs and councilors together with the authourities that covered up these paki mussie rape gangs

These are not ‘Asian’ grooming gangs, they are Kashmiri Muslim

There should be no space for mollycoddling particular minorities if we are serious about delivering justice for the victims

Rakib Ehsan


18 June 2025 11:07am BST


When Baroness Casey appeared yesterday before a select committee to answer questions about her landmark report into group-based child sexual exploitation, there was something she was particularly keen to impress upon the MPs: when it comes to dealing with the nationwide scourge of grooming gangs, questions of ethnicity have been avoided for too long.

Her 200-page audit on the nature and scale of group-based child sexual abuse in England found that authorities, from the police to local councils, systematically shied away from pursuing child sex grooming gangs for fear of inflaming community tensions or being perceived as racist.

Casey’s passion for the subject is evident. The report’s key finding, which many have known for some time, is that men of Pakistani origin are over-represented in grooming gangs which have targeted young white-British girls in towns and cities from Manchester to Rotherham.

As someone who believes in strong law and order, I have found the level of institutional paralysis over tackling the grooming gangs – for fears of being accused of racism and Islamophobia – to be a grand national failure. In a particularly eye-popping passage in Casey’s report, she reveals how the word “Pakistani” was Tippexed out of one child victim’s file.

While there is no doubt that a diversity of ethnicities and faiths are involved in these gangs, the use of the term “Asian” in connection to them has long masked the ever-mounting evidence that it is men of Pakistani Muslim origin specifically who are vastly overrepresented among perpetrators of these heinous sex crimes.

A 2020 academic study by professors Kish Bhatti-Sinclair and Charles Sutcliffe, based on data consisting of 498 defendants across 73 prosecutions between 1997 and 2017, found that Muslims – particularly Pakistanis – dominated prosecutions for group-localised child sexual exploitation (GLCSE).

Indeed, it concluded that Pakistani and Muslim proportions of the local population are “powerful variables” in explaining the level of GLCSE prosecutions in an area. Meanwhile, the proportion of Bangladeshis and Indians in a local area had no effect. In fact, the proportion of Hindus in a local area had a negative impact on the levels of GLCSE prosecutions. Using the term “Asian” is incredibly unhelpful in this context. Gujarati Hindus, Goan Catholics, and Punjabi Sikhs should not be conflated with the men perpetrating these crimes.

It is time for us to shine a light on the poorly integrated Muslim communities originating from Mirpur in Azad Kashmir, which have formed patriarchal clans along kinship lines – known as “biraderi”. These Mirpuri grooming gangs have shown an ugly side of family solidarity, multi-generational cohesion and tight-knit community networks: this is the dark underbelly of modern multicultural Britain.

I suspect much of Britain’s law-abiding population simply cannot wrap their heads around the numbers involved in the grooming-gangs scandal – which perhaps explains some of the denial.

After all, some accounts of this sexual violence and brutality would not be out of place in history books on the campaign of systematic rape and torture against Bangladeshi women and girls by the Pakistani forces during the 1971 Liberation War. But, as it has taken root in dozens of cities and towns across England, it is something we must face up to as a society.

The national statutory inquiry into grooming gangs announced by Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary, must examine how cultural codes – such as so-called “community protection” – have enabled group-based child sexual exploitation and abuse. There is no space for political correctness or mollycoddling particular minorities. If we are serious about delivering justice for the victims, no stone should be left unturned.


THE TELEGRAPH

and as for our human rights dominated legal system,


Pakistan is refusing to take back the ringleaders of the Rochdale child grooming scandal after they renounced their citizenship.

Ministers are engaged in high-level talks with the Pakistan government to persuade them to drop their block on the deportations of Qari Abdul Rauf and Adil Khan, two of Britain’s worst grooming offenders. Sources indicated that progress was being made.

The pair lost appeals against deportation in 2018 but remain in Britain.

Pakistan officials told The Telegraph it would be “extremely difficult” to take back such dangerous criminals and that there was “no basis to accept them” if they had renounced their citizenship.

Abdul Aziz
Known as “The Master”, Abdul Aziz was a key figure in the notorious Rochdale grooming gang.



He was locked up in 2012 after a court heard how he had ferried victims - invariably vulnerable, young females - to sex parties as far away as Leeds and Bradford.

He was convicted of trafficking and conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child and jailed for nine years.

However, he went on to claim £200,000 in legal fees as he fought repeated attempts to deport him to Pakistan.

On July 13 2018, Aziz dodged deportation after he renounced his Pakistani citizenship.

The legal manoeuvre took place just three days before the Court of Appeal ruled he could be deprived of his UK citizenship.

As a result, he was later told by the Home Office that he would not lose his citizenship and could remain in the UK, in part because he had become “stateless”.

His move inspired others in his gang to exploit that same loophole.

The 54-year-old is believed to still be living in Rochdale.

^ I've seen a few articles by muslims pointing the finger at various nationalities and sub-sects but they are missing the universal point in they are muslims and this has being going on for over 2 decades without the scum and their imams decrying and preaching on it but we know why.

Are they of Pakistani nationality or are they of British nationality? Or both?

^ You can google

The EU is secretly laughing at Keir Starmer


Starmer is friendly with Brussels again, but this is looking like more of a frenemy situation than a budding romance


So many politicians have promised to end the decades-long national debate on Britain’s place in Europe – and failed.


David Cameron, Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Rishi Sunak: all of them spent a large portion of their time in office dealing with questions over the EU, and none of them settled those questions for the long term.


So Sir Keir Starmer has accepted the inevitable. He knows his “Brexit reset” is not just one event, but an ongoing process that will stretch on for as long as he is in No 10.


That is why Nick Thomas-Symonds, one of the Prime Minister’s closest allies in politics, is beavering away as Minister for EU Relations – a permanent role, not just one that was time-limited for the summit that took place in London last month. The minister is in constant dialogue with his European counterpart, Maros Sefcovic, over how to implement the deal that was agreed, with great fanfare, by Starmer and Brussels chiefs. He is already thinking about the next summit which will be hosted by the EU next year.


Both sides agree there is progress to be made, and both praise the constructive tone which Labour has brought to the discussions – a far cry from Johnson’s strategy of maximum noise and maximum confrontation.


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But there is a problem: the UK Government and the EU administration can’t agree on what the priorities for their next steps should be.


For Starmer’s team, the most important issues are food standards and travel restrictions. The former, known as “SPS” in the jargon, is fiendishly complex but crucial to allowing British exporters to do business on the continent. The latter is a vital part of Labour’s argument that it is genuinely committed to making Brexit work better for ordinary Brits: allowing UK citizens to use speedier e-gates at European airports would remove the friction that travellers feel every time they go on holiday in the EU.


Brussels insiders snicker at the idea that Starmer won any sort of victory with the agreement that e-gates will in principle be open to Britons. The view on the EU side is that this was in fact always possible, as the policy is a matter for individual member states rather than the union as a whole – so for the UK Government to boast about this “concession” is meaningless. In fact, airport queues are likely to get worse not better from the autumn as a new visa waiver system comes into effect.


The Prime Minister has been “frankly not very ambitious at all”, according to one EU source – giving away concessions, particularly on fishing, in return for only limited wins. And things will get harder in the next phase as the two parties move on to the issues which require even more trade-offs.


While the EU is happy to make progress on SPS and tourism, its top priority in the coming months is a rather thornier question: the promised youth mobility scheme that will allow under-30s from Britain and the continent to spend time working on the other side of the Channel.


The European side will push for as large a scheme as possible, while British ministers seek to make it more limited in both scale and duration, for example by ensuring that the number of EU citizens coming to the UK is equal to those going in the other direction.


Another British ask, to make it easier for touring musicians to travel across the continent, will also be tricky. “It’s something we can only do on a political basis,” one Brussels source say. “Basically, we will only make concessions if we get something we want as well.” Starmer must expect to come under renewed pressure to move even closer to the EU, for example by following regulations set by the bloc, if he wants further victories.


Complicating the Prime Minister’s relations with Brussels is a growing split over how to handle Donald Trump. An EU insider says: “The US is not a friend right now. It is not an enemy, but it is not a friend.”


That is not Starmer’s view. He has hugged Trump as closely as possible, even when it looks a bit embarrassing – like when he bent down to pick up papers that the President dropped at the G7 summit in Canada this week.


Every step that Britain takes to get closer to the US risks irritating the EU – not to mention Labour MPs, who are distinctly unenthusiastic about buddying up to Trump. Yes, Starmer is friendly with Brussels again, but this is looking like more of a frenemy situation than a budding romance.

The EU is secretly laughing at Keir Starmer

Originally Posted by malmomike77

The EU is secretly laughing at Keir Starmer

i doubt they are alone....

potus ... "and starmer, whilst your down there ........

Sir Keir Starmer has condemned pro-Palestinian activists who broke into a RAF base in Oxfordshire as "disgraceful".
'Absolutely staggering' security breach at RAF base - as activists break in and vandalise aircraft | UK News | Sky News

The RAF regiment were the guard force at MPA in the Falklands, they would be periodically tested by units from the UK sent down to infiltrate the base, they always got made to look like the keystone cops