The British Prime Minister - for as long as there is a Great Britain

**Troy** · 22-06-2025, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

we were always better off trading with the commonwealth than with the eu.

I suggest you read Macmillan's 1962 speech on the matter.

**cyrille** · 22-06-2025, 02:01 PM

He's busy behaving like a plant right now.

**taxexile** · 22-06-2025, 07:06 PM

Two weeks is a short time in politics. In a bid to halt Israel’s bombing campaign in Iran, Foreign Secretary David Lammy flew to Washington DC on Friday. Following meetings with secretary of state Marco Rubio and Donald Trump’s Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff to discuss “how a deal could avoid a deepening conflict”, Lammy emerged to declare: “A window now exists within the next two weeks to achieve a diplomatic solution.”

Less than 48 hours later, Iran’s uranium enrichment and nuclear technology facilities are in smoulders. Far from two weeks to negotiate, there were two days until the bombs went off. Donald Trump’s decision to target the sites in Fordow, Natanz and Isfahan has shaken the regime in Tehran, but the tremors extend far beyond the Islamic Republic.

The US president has demonstrated in emphatic fashion exactly what he thinks of the UK Government and the people who lead it. Just three days ago, Keir Starmer said that while a nuclear Iran was a major threat, it was “better dealt with by way of negotiation than by way of conflict” and that ‘we need to de-escalate”.

It is being briefed that the UK took no part in the overnight bombing – boasting of your bystander status as a new world order is being born is certainly a choice – and that the Prime Minister was informed in advance.

That latter crumb-searching looks especially pitiful.

If there was a relationship between Trump’s White House and Number 10, beyond the formal and functional, the administration would not have allowed Starmer to embarrass himself by giving on-the-record quotes about the risks of a course of action the president was days away from taking.

Starmer and Lammy favoured yet more talks with Tehran, a regime that demonstrated with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action that it regards negotiations and even agreements as a stalling tactic to gull naive Western leaders while its nuclear ambitions continue unabated. There are few leaders as naive as Starmer and Lammy, two men keenly interested in foreign and military affairs but fantastically out of their depth in both.

If the UK has been swept aside in Trump’s decision to hit Iran, it is not the US president but Britain’s own Prime Minister who has made his nation irrelevant. It makes little sense to speak of a Starmer foreign policy, for Starmer’s policy is merely a copy and paste of the various positions of the European Union.

and most importantly, this

But the world does not belong to the likes of Ursula von der Leyen, Friedrich Merz or Emmanuel Macron anymore, and it certainly does not belong to their eager echoes Starmer and Lammy.

Israel and the United States have not only exploded Iran’s nuclear capabilities; they have blown to smithereens the delusions of liberal multilateralism.

Those delusions appeal to Starmer because they regard negotiation as an end in itself, rather than a means to achieving an outcome. They are about process, and if there is anything the Prime Minister believes in, its process.

Process is always the answer, even when it does not work, because process is the god of lawyers. The god of lawyers is dead, at least on the international stage. Peace through strength is back, with the United States and Israel in its vanguard.

they are out of their depth.

**malmomike77** · 22-06-2025, 07:16 PM

I'm not sure the facilities have been completely compromised, we wait on the detail.

**Shutree** · 23-06-2025, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

I'm not sure the facilities have been completely compromised, we wait on the detail.

Don't hold your breath. One side will claim total success, the other total failure.
Truth is the first casualty of war.

**Molle** · 23-06-2025, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Shutree

One side will claim total success

Iran. They don't want any more bombs.

Originally Posted by Shutree

the other total failure.

USrael. They want to continue bombing.

**malmomike77** · Yesterday, 11:06 AM

Dead man walking, dead man walking.

Well one year in and they've tanked the economy, killing what little growth was emerging as they took over by taxing businesses to fill the elusive £22Bn blackhole but then gave most of it away to the unions through public sector pay rises. The economy has since stagnated and companies have begun laying off staff and ffezzing recruitment. The much vaunted welfare bill, designed to bear down on the ever increasing disability benefits cost is now dead in the water because Labour simply cannot take money away from the feclkess, but who can blame the lazy when every week another 2000 migrants come across the chanel escorted by the the migrant taxi service (RNLI) ready to claim the hotel, food and a life on easy street with never a requirment to work for their handouts. So what is the solution to paying for these PIP claimants and migrants, well its the every decreasing pool of tax payers of course, and that pool is quickly becoming devoid of the rich as they take their money elsewhere.

We are just over 4 months away from Labours next budget and Rachel from accounts has promised she'd not raise taxes, well that was before over 120 MPs decided that for her and the only way to pay for all this will be a combination of creative accounting, stealth taxes and she is going to have to raise direct tax. So the only two cabinet members with any thought of curtailing the ever increasing state have lost and this Govt is now officially in the hands of the real Labour.

Starmer offers ‘massive concessions’ on welfare bill to Labour rebels

Exclusive: Leading rebels say they have been promised significant changes to planned cuts which could help bill avoid defeat
Keir Starmer has offered Labour MPs “massive concessions” on his controversial welfare bill in a move that has won over key rebels and is likely to have saved the prime minister from a damaging Commons defeat next week.

Leading MPs said they had been promised significant changes, which will cost the government several billion pounds over the next few years but would shore up the prime minister’s precarious authority.

The compromises on the planned cuts, which are understood to include applying the changes only to new claimants and further consultation on the most controversial cuts to disability benefits, were offered during a tense day of talks with Downing Street.

They mark a big U-turn from Starmer, who had said for weeks he would not change course, but was forced to back down after more than 120 Labour MPs threatened to kill the bill. One frontbencher had already quit over the plans, while others were understood to be prepared to do so if agreement had not been reached.

One of those leading the opposition to the bill said: “They’ve offered massive concessions, which should be enough to get the bill over the line at second reading.”

Another added: “We always wanted to protect the most vulnerable, not to destroy the bill or cause the government trouble. We always hoped there would be an off-ramp, and that’s what we have now.”

More hardline rebels were urging their centrist colleagues not to drop their objections, but with ministers insisting they would hold the vote on Tuesday, more moderate MPs were understood to be backing the government’s proposals. Sources said all select committee chairs were now supporting the prime minister.

Downing Street declined to comment.

Starmer sent his chief of staff, Morgan McSweeney, to lead the negotiations for much of Wednesday night and throughout Thursday, alongside the deputy prime minister, Angela Rayner, and her chief of staff, Nick Parrott.

The prime minister and his chancellor, Rachel Reeves, authorised those officials on Wednesday night to offer significant concessions in an attempt to rescue the welfare reform agenda, even though it will leave Reeves having to find more money at the budget.

There has been speculation from Labour rebels that welfare concessions will cost £8bn over the three-year spending review period.

The chancellor is already thought to be considering tax rises, having promised to reverse cuts to winter fuel payments at a cost of over £1bn. This latest reversal is likely to leave her with several billion pounds extra to find.

The compromise solution would mean the cuts being applied only to new claimants, while those who already get disability payments will continue to do so.

Ministers have also agreed to expand and bring forward a package of employment support measures so that £1bn will now be available for them this year, and several billion across the whole of the parliament. The government had previously promised just £1bn in this parliament, to be voted on at a later date.

Liz Kendall, the welfare secretary, will promise that disability groups will be consulted on how the criteria should change in the future. Changes recommended by that process will be incorporated at later stages of the bill, possibly at committee stage.

Rebels have also pushed to unfreeze the health-related element of universal credit, which is paid to those with severe long-term conditions such as a terminal illness. A House of Commons analysis shows that those claiming that benefit will lose nearly £250 by the end of the parliament as a result of the decision not to raise them in line with inflation.

Starmer offers ‘massive concessions’ on welfare bill to Labour rebels | Labour | The Guardian

**taxexile** · Yesterday, 02:28 PM

spineless starmer gets reamed, steamed and dry cleaned by kemi.

**cyrille** · Yesterday, 02:38 PM

He absolutely slaughtered her yet again.

To suggest that Starmer went to the G7 and NATO meet ups to try and dodge her faultlessly prepared interrogation is totally laughable.

So....

**taxexile** · Yesterday, 07:03 PM

for fucks sake cyrille.

he's useless and he's toast.

after falling to his knees (yet again) to pick trumps litter off the ground, he now is making sweeping concessions to his belligerent backbenchers to save his political career. yet another u turn from the most incompetent and devious politician in westminster.

1 in 10 brits claim some kind of sickness or disability benefit. (and far too many of them from a certain unmentionable demographic btw) starmer came to power on a mandate of benefit reform, he has now abandoned it.

these permanently inactive dross are labelled as “vulnerable”, "victims" and “deserving”, a status that renders them untouchable in the eyes of wet, liberal woke socialist and their drippy voters.

serial welfare recipients are always given the benefit of the doubt, by sympathetic lefties in the civil service employed to authorise claims, whilst the self-employed, the entrepreneurs, the honest toilers and those with assets are treated by the system as potential tax dodgers.

we should cushion the most vulnerable in our society, the aged and the seriously infirm, but we should also make the distinction between the respectable working class and the dysfunctional workshy underclass scum who play the system and rip off the rest of us.

rather than hiding behind the usual lefty platitudes about the “dignity of work” and we are the government of "working people", stoma should have been open about the phenomenon of people claiming benefits based on false claims and statements about their mental 'elf. a phenomenon that is costing real working people dearly as their taxes rise to support this ever increasing and unchecked demographic of the lazy, the dishonest and the criminal.

On a recent trip to the North East, residents from one rough estate told me of the local children who aspire to become drug dealers and believe that their future is not determined by their own decisions but rather merely by “luck”. Their parents are too proud to visit the estate’s work support charity but are at ease tapping benefits from an impersonal bureaucracy.

Those like Diane Abbott who preach that “there is nothing moral about cutting benefits” should be made to conduct an in-depth tour of these places. They would see the destructive impact of uncontrolled welfarism on the integrity of families, the self-respect of adults, and the dreams of children.

THE TELEGRAPH

**cyrille** · Yesterday, 07:11 PM

He may be replaced.

Unlikely though, especially considering the high esteem he is held in worldwide.

He won't be replaced by Farage or that vacuous halfwit leading the tories.

You pretending that she's anything other than a disaster is quite entertaining, though.

**Joe 90** · Yesterday, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

Unlikely though, especially considering the high esteem he is held in worldwide

**malmomike77** · Yesterday, 07:19 PM

We'll the interest payments on the National Swindle are now in excess of £100Bn and soon, very soon i hope the markets will no longer purchase UK debt and instead call it in. I'm hedged for this investment wise

I am hoping the day arives fairly soon so i can kick back and use the remainder of my BBC license fee watching the immigrants, feckless and "disabled" flock to the local council offices with their Iranian and Palestine flags to demand their benefits payments, once they realise there is no dosh left they'll take a leaf out of the Mercan Black Live Matter book and go around helping themselves to their needs in all the shops.

**malmomike77** · Yesterday, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

He may be replaced.

Unlikely though, especially considering the high esteem he is held in worldwid

mind you they'll have to catch "Never here Keir" first

**taxexile** · Yesterday, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

He may be replaced.

Unlikely though, especially considering the high esteem he is held in worldwide.

He won't be replaced by Farage or that vacuous halfwit leading the tories.

You pretending that she's anything other than a disaster is quite entertaining, though.

.... and who exactly have they got to replace him?

a putsch from inside would lead to a far left leader. maybe the gobshite or some uppity backbench keffiyeh wearer.

an election is unlikely, but if there were one, then reform would get in, and they are nowhere near ready.

especially considering the high esteem he is held in worldwide.

he is a laughing stock cyrille.

**malmomike77** · Yesterday, 08:12 PM

He'll soon be relegated to cleaning up after Ange has shot her load into Wes

**cyrille** · Yesterday, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

he is a laughing stock cyrille.

Just plainly untrue.

But I won't turn my back on three bites from the three dumb 'men'.

**malmomike77** · Today, 04:26 AM

fix this ... and it is entirely labour and the lefys fault........for years. The BMA have overseen strikes which have led to patients dying... there is nothing more to say, except now its their problem for a change - fuk i hate lefties

NHS sees patients as an inconvenience, says new boss

The NHS sees patients as an “inconvenience” and has “built mechanisms to keep them away”, its new boss has said.

Sir Jim Mackey said the health service was too often “deaf” to criticism, “wasted a lot of money” and deployed far too many “fossilised” ways of working that had not changed since its foundation in 1948.

In his first interview since becoming head of the NHS, Sir Jim told The Telegraph the health service had “made it really hard” for patients to get the care they needed.

“It feels like we’ve built mechanisms to keep the public away because it’s an inconvenience,” he said, warning that too many patients were left “ringing a number no one ever answers”.

Next week, the Government will publish a 10-year health plan that promises three major shifts in the way the NHS operates – from hospital to community; from analogue to digital; and from treating sickness to prevention.

There will be far more “neighbourhood health”, with NHS and private companies working for it to offer more care locally, including increasing the use of high street services.

A revamped NHS app will provide a new front door to the health service, with AI used to assess symptoms and direct patients to the right care, and users able to use the app to book appointments, contact medical teams and compare hospital outcomes.

The plan will also set out reforms to put the focus of the health service on the experience of patients.

The Telegraph can reveal that this will include trialling “patient power payments”, with hospitals only getting the full payment for treatment if the patient is satisfied.

The reforms are also set to change the way A&E departments are funded, with payment dependent on cutting long waits and shifting more care out of hospitals.

Sir Jim, who ran the NHS’s most successful hospital for 20 years, said he was driven by the poor experiences of his own family at the hands of the health service.

He was just starting a career in hospital management when his dying father suffered terrible care at the hands of the NHS.

That was in the 1990s; but the new head of the NHS says since then, far too little has changed.

“We’ve made it really hard, and we’ve probably all been on the end of it. You’ve got a relative in hospital, so you’re ringing a number on a ward that no one ever answers. The ward clerk only works nine to five or they’re busy doing other stuff; the GP practice scramble every morning.”

“It feels like we’ve built mechanisms to keep the public away because it’s an inconvenience.”

He goes further, warning that failing to listen to public frustration could mean the end of a publicly funded state health service: “If we lose the population, we’ve lost the NHS.”

The candour is startling; not least because it’s Sir Jim’s first interview since being appointed to overhaul an organisation long accused of a culture of denial.

It’s 8am on the seventh floor of Wellington House, NHS England’s headquarters near Waterloo, and the 58-year-old has been up for hours.

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Sir Jim, who was knighted in 2019 for services to health care, has been appointed to lead the NHS in somewhat unusual circumstances.

On the day Labour won the general election, last July, Wes Streeting, incoming Health Secretary, declared the health service “broken”.

It seemed inevitable that NHS England, the world’s biggest quango, which had been created under his predecessors, was for the chop.

But it wasn’t until February that Amanda Pritchard, its beleaguered chief executive, stood down, with Sir Jim, a long-time hospital boss, quickly announced as her interim replacement.

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