Biden says U.S. willing to use force to defend Taiwan prompting backlash from China

**Norton** · 31-08-2023, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by S Landreth

The implication of FMF likely will escalate tensions between the U.S. and China, which considers Taiwan to be part of its sovereign territory and seeks reunification with the island.

China (PRC) can consider Taiwan (ROC) part of it's territory all they bloody well want but won't change the fact it is not.

**bsnub** · 31-08-2023, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

China (PRC) can consider Taiwan (ROC) part of it's territory all they bloody well want but won't change the fact it is not.

The CCP will collapse long before they plant a flag in Taipei.

**spliff** · 31-08-2023, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

The CCP will collapse long before they plant a flag in Taipei.

Yes, I agree. But, we mustn't allow the CCP high command to emigrate to the US. They already have subs, homes, Passports.....

**S Landreth** · 01-09-2023, 08:39 AM

China says it ‘deplores’ US military transfer to Taiwan

China is lashing out at the Biden administration’s approval of the first-ever U.S. military transfer to Taiwan using a program usually saved for sovereign nations.

Beijing, which views Taipei as its own territory and has repeatedly threatened to bring it under its control using force, on Thursday claimed the U.S. transfer “severely violates the one-China principle.”

“This severely violates the one-China principle and the stipulations of the three China-U.S. joint communiques,” China’s Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said at a news conference in Beijing. “China deplores and firmly opposes it.”

The State Department on Tuesday notified Congress it would sell Taiwan an $80 million package as part of the department’s foreign military financing (FMF) program, which uses U.S. taxpayer dollars to fund the supply of materials to foreign countries. The package is meant to “strengthen Taiwan’s self-defense capabilities,” according to the agency.

This marks the first time the U.S. has provided military assistance under FMF to Taiwan and the second time it’s given it to a non-nation-state, the first being to the African Union.

Washington has previously sold Taiwan weapons under its Foreign Military Sale program, which doesn’t imply statehood, though U.S. officials said this new method of weapons transfer does not mean a change in policy.

But China, which in the past has strongly protested any and all U.S. defense aid to the independently governed island, on Thursday urged Washington to “stop creating tensions across the Taiwan Strait” by “enhancing U.S.-Taiwan military connections and arming Taiwan,” according to Wenbin.

It’s unknown what exact weapons and equipment will be in the military package, but it could include air and coastal defense systems, armed vehicles, ballistic missile and cyber defenses, ammunition or even training support for Taiwanese military forces.

Lawmakers applauded the package, including Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), who called the move a “meaningful contribution” on the part of the administration.

“In the face of increasingly aggressive People’s Republic of China military actions in the [Taiwan Strait], the United States must move quickly to provide support for Taiwan’s defense,” Menendez said in a statement.

And Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas), the chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said the weapons to Taiwan will help the island “protect other democracies in the region” and “strengthen the U.S. deterrence posture and ensure our national security from an increasingly aggressive [Chinese Communist Party].”

**Backspin** · 02-09-2023, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by S Landreth

First US military transfer to Taiwan approved under program for sovereign states

The Biden administration approved the first-ever U.S. military transfer to Taiwan under a program that is generally reserved for sovereign states.
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The US will keep doing this and China will attack.

Does anyone want to bet ?

Anyway here's a map of Chinese air bases and US air bases

The US bases are in blue, the Chinese bases are in red.

**bsnub** · 02-09-2023, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Backspin

The US will keep doing this and China will attack.

You are a clueless moron. Stop posting in this thread, you are only making a fool of yourself. It matters not how many air bases nor shitty boats the Chinese have, they are no match for the US and they know it.

**Norton** · 02-09-2023, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Backspin

The US will keep doing this and China will attack.

Does anyone want to bet ?

US has been doing it since Carter was Pres. No invasion by China so far.
When you reckon the Chinese will get around to it?

**bsnub** · 02-09-2023, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

When you reckon the Chinese will get around too?

**Backspin** · 03-09-2023, 05:24 AM

There is an objective way of looking at this. China has 604 J-11 and J-16 and Flanker derivatives, 510 J-10's and 200 5th gen J-20 heavy fighters. It is simple fact that all 4th gen fighters, whether they are US or Chinese have similar performance, different design compromises and their own marginal strengths and weaknesses.

The backbone of the air force is as follows

604 of these

510 of these

And 200 J-20's

**Backspin** · 03-09-2023, 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

US has been doing it since Carter was Pres. No invasion by China so far.
When you reckon the Chinese will get around to it?

China has been in denial for a long time. It really seemed to take the US at its word for awhile. But unlike Gorbachev, China did get it all on paper in a UN binding deal. It thought it was above getting the Russia treatment by the US. Since 2016, it has finally dawned on them that the US really is going to cross its brightest of red lines. But the bureaucratic machine still runs slowly. And there is still pockets of denial in the govt. They will probably attack in the next 2-4 years. But it could be anytime.

**Switch** · 03-09-2023, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

China has been in denial for a long time. It really seemed to take the US at its word for awhile. But unlike Gorbachev, China did get it all on paper in a UN binding deal. It thought it was above getting the Russia treatment by the US. Since 2016, it has finally dawned on them that the US really is going to cross its brightest of red lines. But the bureaucratic machine still runs slowly. And there is still pockets of denial in the govt. They will probably attack in the next 2-4 years. But it could be anytime.

China is sabre rattling and Backspin is white knighting for them, because he wants to foment more fighting. Neither side wants any escalation, but Backspin loves it. lol

**bsnub** · 03-09-2023, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by Backspin

It is simple fact that all 4th gen fighters, whether they are US or Chinese have similar performance, different design compromises and their own marginal strengths and weaknesses.

You really are an epic level moron. China is desperate to try and train its pilots to a western level. It can't. China is desperate to achieve operational capability equal to the US. It can't. The limitations are in its total shit doctrine, something you are completely clueless about. The same thing goes for its navy. China is total shit just like ruzzia, both are corrupt to the core due to the fact that both are essentially mafia states. You are too stupid to understand this.

Originally Posted by Switch

China is sabre rattling and Backspin is white knighting for them, because he wants to foment more fighting. Neither side wants any escalation, but Backspin loves it. lol

Backspit is just an idiot and perhaps mildly retarded. I feel sorry for him.

**helge** · 04-09-2023, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

China is total shit just like ruzzia, both are corrupt to the core due to the fact that both are essentially mafia states.

Without a doubt

And your president is as corrupt as they come.

So there

Funny ain't it.

In China the party controls all business and media

In the USA business controls and own both parties and the media

Your version is called facism. I'm still not sure what the chinese version is called

Originally Posted by bsnub

You are too stupid to understand this.

Oh yes

Couldn't have said it better myself

**Backspin** · 04-09-2023, 01:11 AM

Once again , Bsub is utterly clueless. China is working on the last 5% at most. If that. But Bsnub is stuck in 1992. 31 years ago.

And even if China was way behind which it is not , the home field advantage is huge. Just look at the air base map

**helge** · 04-09-2023, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

Just look at the air base map

I looked at it

No bases in S Korea ?

**Norton** · 04-09-2023, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by helge

No bases in S Korea ?

2 US Air bases and I believe 3 US Army bases. About 30k US military in S. Korea.
Typically there are 2 Carrier task forces in the region as well. Mini airbases.

**helge** · 04-09-2023, 02:47 AM

Yeah
Didn't see them on Backspin's map

**bsnub** · 04-09-2023, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by helge

Your version is called facism. I'm still not sure what the chinese version is called

So America is fascist now. Umm ok. Your descent into utter stupidity has been ongoing for many months. It is now complete. What an oxygen thief you are.

Originally Posted by Backspin

Once again , Bsub is utterly clueless. China is working on the last 5% at most. If that. But Bsnub is stuck in 1992. 31 years ago.

The retards are on a roll.

Originally Posted by Backspin

And even if China was way behind which it is not

Oh just like ruzzia? So do explain why the mighty ruzzian air farce has not bombed Ukraine into oblivion by now? China is garbage just like ruzzia is, and you have another rude awakening coming.

Originally Posted by helge

Yeah
Didn't see them on Backspin's map

Of course not because his map is shit, and he is a dimwitted vatnik moron just like you are. My previous post shows exactly why china has no chance in a war with the US.

**helge** · 04-09-2023, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

So America is fascist now. Umm ok. Your descent into utter stupidity has been ongoing for many months. It is now complete. What an oxygen thief you are.

"Fascism should rightly be called corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power."

— Benito Mussolini (speaking of corporate fascism)

The concept of fascism is dependent on the merger of corporations with the state. The power inherent in government is combined with corporate power. This brings the majority of power in a nation under a small group of individuals. This is known as an oligarchy. It is this combination of government and corporations that truly defines the concept of fascism.

Your "government", the opposition,your media and your socalled opinion is owned by the big corporations in the US.

Only you can change that, but you are the perfect target for the divide et impera strategy.

Baaaah !

**Backspin** · 05-09-2023, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by helge

I looked at it

No bases in S Korea ?

The only actual usable base in the event of a Taiwan war is Kadena because the other bases on Japan are at the extreme limits of F-35 range. They would not only have to take off with nothing but 4 internal missiles and external fuel tanks but their time on station is literally measured in seconds.

**Backspin** · 05-09-2023, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Of course not because his map is shit, and he is a dimwitted vatnik moron just like you are. My previous post shows exactly why china has no chance in a war with the US.

Bases in S.Korea are out of F-35 range.

**Norton** · 05-09-2023, 04:39 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

Bases in S.Korea are out of F-35 range.

Keep digging. The US doesn't have F35s stationed in Korea. It could though deploy from other bases in a few hours.

USAF does have KC135s in Korea. Flying gas stations so range of any aircraft from Korea kinda irrelevant. Nice vid FYI.

**bsnub** · 05-09-2023, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Keep digging. The US doesn't have F35s stationed in Korea.

He is just exceedingly stupid. The stupid just keeps coming.

Originally Posted by Norton

USAF does have KC135s in Korea. Flying gas stations so range of any aircraft from Korea kinda irrelevant. Nice vid FYI.

Anyone who would think that the US and South Koreans would not be flying sorties out of Korea is just a complete buffoon. I imagine his response will include more pics of Chinese jets. He really has the mental sophistication of a 14-year-old boy.

**Backspin** · 05-09-2023, 09:46 PM

^ Tankers will be too easy of targets. They will be parked.

Anyway, wont be that long till the war starts. We can only assume at this point that this is what the US wants. And is actively trying to provoke.

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**beachbound** · 06-09-2023, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by Backspin

The only actual usable base in the event of a Taiwan war is Kadena because the other bases on Japan are at the extreme limits of F-35 range. They would not only have to take off with nothing but 4 internal missiles and external fuel tanks but their time on station is literally measured in seconds.

tell us more, General Patton!

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