Thread: Putin wouldn't be invading if Trump were still in the White House

TAx, you are being played by your Brexit loving rhetoricians in the Mail and Telegraph and swallowing their claptrap like a baby suckling milk.

The west was only too happy in fighting a war against Saddam in Kuwait but not because he was an evil shit fucking over a bunch of other camel jockeys but because he was a threat to oil interests.

Ukraine has no strategic value but it is a sign of things to come and the West needs to pace its reaction as the plot unfolds.

It's the first Act in a new drama, Tax, and there is no Deus ex Machina about to end it now, and believe me kicking Russia out of the Swift system is not going to alter the current trajectory of Russian neo-imperialism one jot and is certainly not the Deus ex Machina you seem to think it is. Its demand now by BoJo the Clown is simply a gesture costing him nothing designed to show him as a leader standing out in a production that is going nowhere, only a fucking idiot would lap it up. You that fucking idiot Tax?

No, when the civilian body count rises and the UKR government is killed or imprisoned in some death camp and the capitulation of Ukraine is complete then there must be a summit between the NATO countries in tandem with the UN to agree the total isolation of Russia from the West. And that means the end of all diplomatic ties, the end of all trade and the exclusion of all Russian interaction with the West by denying any and all access to its people, its goods and its investment.

The reality Tax to which you seem oblivious is the fact that half the world are governed by third world uncivilised greedy tossrs who are simply not interested and will suck Russian cock as long as there is money in it for them. You think India, Thailand et al are going to sanction Putin?

The road is long Tax, your erstwhile preoccupation with Paki shaggers, Arabs and Islamists while neglecting the real threat has ensured it will be difficult.

Putin and his generals want the empire back and to dominate Europe through nuclear blackmail and the de-stabilisation of the EU. BoJo and the Brexitory loons have given him a head start in his strategy.

Nato is now strengthening its presence and it must now re-establish armed forces including men and materiel in all the frontier states including Germany and the Baltic countries.

The Kyoto, Paris, Edinburgh climate protocols and the move away from nuclear power has inevitably led to reliance on Russian gas for power. That is a fact and if it affects people's lives then its only right they consider the outcome. If the average Brexit English twat was told that the Swift boycott would lead to power bills of £4,000 pr annum and the cancellation of their holidays to fucking Grotos then they'd forget Ukraine quicker than the time it would take to get a new tattoo.

Putin is on track to flex the old USSR's muscles and we are heading back to 1963.

BoJo's babbling is just piss in the wind.

The West has just been woken up to the new world this morning and its back to the Cold War......if we are lucky.

Burt what is truly funny is that Redneck Trumpanzees and Brexitory fuckwits are blaming Biden and the EU for this invasion. Truly, we are in The Age of The Stupid.

Our defence bill has just been doubled and Britain will now have to double its fighter and helicopter strength.

Just remember Tax, just three hydrogen bombs detonating over London, B'Ham and Manchester would effectively destroy the UK and its socio-economic fabric terminally. It would cease to exist as a state with any linkage to its history.

That is the future we are now looking at Tax and will continue to be so while Putin lives.

Cancelling his fucking cheques ain't going to matter a flying fuck you silly old tyke.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Putin and his generals want the empire back and to dominate Europe through nuclear blackmail and the de-stabilisation of the EU. BoJo and the Brexitory loons have given him a head start in his strategy.

Nato is now strengthening its presence and it must now re-establish armed forces including men and materiel in all the frontier states including Germany and the Baltic countries.

All roads lead back to Brexit for you don't they Sausages. Most EU countries have eschewed their NATO responsibilities for years and taken it for granted that it and the US will be there for them, well this is their wake up call. You can keep rambling about Boris and Brexit all you like but your much lauded Block needs to live up to its own image of itself.

Originally Posted by taxexile

its just another example of the eu's staggering failure to show themselves as the united entity they promote as their image.

merkels sickening noshing of putins dick whilst microns tongue lasciviously penetrates the russian anus is the sum total of the eu's influence in this dangerous affair.

How many times do you Brexit sclerotics have to be told, the EU is not a fucking single government entity, you dribbling old rightwing dotard, it is a socio-economic association comprising 27 sovereign states with their own fucking governments.

Each one will decide what it wants. Just like Britain, the country that has acted as bank repository and laundromat for £billions of oligarch Putin crony capital that has also funded the Tory party over the past two decades.

You fatuous old Tory hack.

^ more utter bollocks, are we also now going to be regaled with a catalogue of your ludicrous predictions for the next 2 years whilst all this plays out.

you make some valid points s.a., not of course regarding my opinions, but about the overall situation, but squeezing the russian economy from the start will be a catalyst for an increase in home grown discontent and protest and it is that more than the up until now mostly empty rhetoric from nato, eu and the which is likely to bring an end to putins power. the cannon fodder that make up putins army are not behind this attack on what are their own brothers, and neither are a good proportion of the public.

the change will come from within, and an economic squeeze could hasten that.

Brexitory fuckwits are blaming Biden and the EU for this invasion. Truly, we are in The Age of The Stupid.

wasnt it biden who said that a minor incursion by the russians would be acceptable and would not result in a response?

sounds to me like one of many green light handed to the russians, as does the eus increasing dependence on russian gas over the past 10 years thanks to their getting into bed with the greens and falling for gretas doomsday predictions. the eu, including britain, by their stupidity, greed and misplaced trust over the past couple of decades have indeed empowered putin to pull off this dangerous powergrab. ....... and now it is up to the west to stop it.

s.a.

bank repository and laundromat for £billions of oligarch Putin crony capital that has also funded the Tory party over the past two decades.

and thank fuck for that, otherwise we would have had corbyn and flabbot welcoming the russians into westminster.

your lengthy incarceration in pattaya and now in bangkoks thanon tittywank seem to have clouded your ability to think straight. whilst you might be handy with a thesaurus, you have a very deluded view of the world.

Close to two thirds of Americans believe that Russian President Vladimir Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump were still president, according to a new survey released Friday.

A recent Harvard Center for American Political Studies-Harris Poll survey revealed that 62 percent of those Americans polled felt that Putin would not be launching an offense against Ukraine if Trump, rather than incumbent President Joe Biden, was still in office.

Broken down, 39 percent of Democrats and 85 percent of Republicans believe that Trump would have made Putin think twice about launching the war.

Meanwhile, 59 percent of Americans said it was Biden's perceived weakness that had prompted Putin to launch the bold attack in the first place, The Hill reported of the survey.

However, a total of 38 percent of Americans, regardless of political affiliation, believed that Putin would have invaded Ukraine regardless of who was president.

Another 41 percent said that the person sitting in office did not play not a factor in Putin's decision to invade Ukraine.

62% of US thinks Putin WOULDN'T have invaded Ukraine under Trump (msn.com)

Reuters ( dateline Washington EST 14:00 2.26.22 )- Stanford Poll funded by Democrats for Power revealed 68% of Americans have difficulty in determining their asses from a hole in the ground.

Reuters-US.

Well well. Tax and seeking settling into it. This could be interesting.

My 2 cents is on seeking coming out on top in this one.

I have just learned why the Putin pig made Macron sit at the other end of an absurdly long table when they met last week and why he makes his "advisors" remain at least 50 feet distant while in conference. I thought he was simply establishing some sort of superiority over others but it turns out the crazy little shit is scared shitless of catching Covid. He's on so many drugs his immune system is compromised and he fears death if he gets infected. The skanky little prick has been a fucking killer and psycho bully all his life yet he's no more than a gutless coward who has gone batshit crazy in his isolation over the past two years.

Unless some Russkie general gets a grip this is going to get real bad.

The Americans have to get involved and up the stakes.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

How many times do you Brexit sclerotics have to be told, the EU is not a fucking single government entity

Originally Posted by malmomike77

more utter bollocks

Umm . . . he's right and your constant anti-EU bleating is pathetic. You won the vote, stop whining and blaming everything on the continentals, you're looking as thick as Backspit and sabang . . . almost to ohwoe level

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Well well. Tax and seeking settling into it. This could be interesting.

My 2 cents is on seeking coming out on top in this one.

As usual.

Putin is losing this war.

Originally Posted by sabang

62% of US thinks Putin WOULDN'T have invaded Ukraine under Trump

In other news, 62 % Americans are mind-numbingly idiotic.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

My 2 cents is on seeking coming out on top in this one.

He always does . . . taxidriver is all bluster and bile.

Originally Posted by panama hat

He always does

Fuzzy Duck

Originally Posted by taxexile

dont be naive.

china will ensure that russia gets all the economic help it needs, at a price of course. they will buy the wheat and gas and precious metals that the west wont and they will supply it with whatever it needs.

and instead of shouting about sanctions against oligarchs and their banks that will hardly have any effect on russia, the west should have been educating and recruiting super nerds perfecting ways of targeting their economy and infrastructure via cyberattacks instead of self flagellating themselves with diversity advisers, mental health consultants, workplace white privilege courses, lgbt awareness seminars, unconscious bias awareness days and all the other bullshit and the one sided global warming promises that liberal western governments seems to be obsessed with these days and serve only to weaken us in the eyes of others.

and all because one worthless american criminal was unlawfully killed by a cop.

I rather think that it is worth reposting this reply to my earlier post that Russia was fucked and the US/EU would destroy its economy.

Currently the ruble is worth 30 satang and it’s interest rate is 20%.

I also said China would not help if it’s interests were compromised and as we saw on the UN vote they abstained leaving Russia marginalized.

Poor Tax, following the drivel trumpeted by his Daily Telegraph pundits talking out of their arses does leave him behind the curve somewhat.

bless.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Quite shameful the way the Gujurati Queen Patel is fucking over UKR refugees.

It never changes, does it . . . abysmal.

Indeed, but when contrasted with the EU response, practically freedom of movement within 27 countries and the right to work for three years in the first instance, her mean minded, nasty, vindictive, anally retentive, parochial nationalism has yet again been demonstrated whenever she feels the Brexit insularity aimed against foreigners is threatened.
She is quite stupid too. I engaged her in a correspondence over seven years ago and concluded then she was a fucking idiot. Happily, I made that view apparent.

The demented cvunt actually thinks that the poor huddled UKR masses permitted entry would conceal an army of Spetsnaz Putin thugs. Sometimes, you think this Brexitory rabble government couldn’t get any worse and then yet another fuckwit comes along blowing more shite out of their arse.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Indeed, but when contrasted with the EU response, practically freedom of movement within 27 countries and the right to work for three years in the first instance, her mean minded, nasty, vindictive, anally retentive, parochial nationalism has yet again been demonstrated whenever she feels the Brexit insularity aimed against foreigners is threatened.
She is quite stupid too. I engaged her in a correspondence over seven years ago and concluded then she was a fucking idiot. Happily, I made that view apparent.

The demented cvunt actually thinks that the poor huddled UKR masses permitted entry would conceal an army of Spetsnaz Putin thugs. Sometimes, you think this Brexitory rabble government couldn’t get any worse and then yet another fuckwit comes along blowing more shite out of their arse.

Keep flip flopping and claiming the win for you.
The sentient amongst us have learned long ago, that you are an anachronism who is well behind the curve.
Remarkably similar to the fool Putin.

Flip-flopping???

You truly are an oaf.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Flip-flopping???

You truly are an oaf.

You previously complained that sanctions wouldn’t work and that the response from Europe was tardy. Not your exact words, but you have changed your tune suddenly.

Dont deny it because I can’t be the only one who has noticed you moving the goal posts. Your fancy language can’t change that, and your previous posts will form evidence.

Originally Posted by Switch

tardy

I have not heard that word since I was in high school.