Impeach Cheney

**Homer** · 06-11-2007, 12:17 PM

It's Time to Impeach Cheney

By Congressman Dennis Kucinich, special to www.ImpeachCheney.org
As a member of Congress, I have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution and the laws of our nation, and I have pledged to represent the views of my constituents and of all Americans.
That’s why I feel both duty and sorrow in pursuing the path of impeachment against Vice President Richard B. Cheney.
While the impeachment movement has generated intensely strong sentiment and activism, there have been only two polls published on the question of impeaching Vice President Cheney. In a national poll, 54 percent of Americans favored impeachment. In one state poll, 64 percent of Vermonters favored impeaching the Vice President.
Twenty-one of my colleagues have heeded the public demand and signed on as cosponsors of my resolution, H Res 333. Others in the Congress have claimed they have more important priorities, but have told their constituents they will keep their views in mind if the matter ever comes up for a vote.
Well, the issue is coming up for a vote this week on the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives, and the “distraction” will require members to balance their priorities between Constitutionally proscribed justice and recourse and the alternative: Constitutional abuse and
dictatorial power.
Only by taking up impeachment can we reinstitute a balance of powers and slow down the rush to launch a new war of aggression against Iran.
I am urging my colleagues to recognize that impeachment will not create a crisis by briefly disrupting their schedules on Capitol Hill. The crisis, as Americans outside the Beltway know, is upon us. Congress, the first branch of our government, to which the first half of the Constitution is devoted, has been reduced to almost a bystander as the policies of the wealthiest nation and the largest military ever known are set in secret by the Vice President's office. Under Bush/Cheney, we have become a nation that illegally threatens and launches aggressive wars for political – not national security -- reasons. For this crisis of confidence, this denial of our Constitutional beliefs and rights, impeachment is the only cure available.
I urge you, my fellow citizens, to share your sentiments with your Members of Congress and with your family, friends, and the news media in support regarding the rule of law and the imperative of impeaching a vice president who has misled both the public and the Congress about the gravest matters possible: war and peace. Please join with organizations like www.ImpeachCheney.org in making your voices heard as soon as possible! Every individual Member of Congress will have to decide within days where they stand.
On Tuesday, when I introduce my privileged resolution to force this issue to a vote, some other member of Congress will almost certainly move to table (kill) it. A Yes vote to table is a vote to delay the enforcement of the rule of law aside. A No vote to table is a vote to give impeachment a chance for a full and fair hearing. Please help me get this message out.
And, please help me sustain and expand YOUR platform on this and other issues by voting for me in Democracy for America's presidential poll: http://democracyforamerica.com/pulsepoll?c=6
Right now, before the primaries and the caucuses and February’s Super Tuesday, your vote – TODAY -- can change the tenor and direction of public debate by letting the other candidates, Congressional leaders, and political power-brokers know that some issues are too important to side-step, table, or ignore. You know what you believe and what you stand for.
Now, today, your vote may mean more than ever again.
Thank you for everything you are doing. Now is the moment to step forward, whatever the challenge or struggle. Now is the moment in which we must preserve and defend our Republic by using the tools that its authors provided. Tell your Congressional Representative what you think. Tell the nation – through Democracy for America -- what you believe. Let's save our pessimism for better times.
Peace,
Dennis

**Norton** · 06-11-2007, 12:49 PM

Would Nancy Pelosi become the Vice President? What a team that would make!

**barbaro** · 06-11-2007, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Would Nancy Pelosi become the Vice President? What a team that would make!

GWB would appoint someone else to be VP.

This is the procecure, no?

I think the call for impeachment is a good idea. It's symbolic. The votes are not there for a 2/3 guilty verdict.

But I still like it.

**Norton** · 06-11-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

GWB would appoint someone else to be VP. This is the procecure, no?

The order of succession to the Presidency is VP then House Speaker. Just being a little facetious with comment. GWB would appoint a new one as you say. Could be much worse. Maybe we should leave well enough alone.

**barbaro** · 06-11-2007, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by Milkman

GWB would appoint someone else to be VP. This is the procecure, no?

The order of succession to the Presidency is VP then House Speaker. Just being a little facetious with comment. GWB would appoint a new one as you say. Could be much worse. Maybe we should leave well enough alone.

Hard to get worse than Cheney. He was a main decision-maker, and the most influential and powerful VP in history. GWB has lessened Cheney's influence, now.

Both are lame ducks, although yes, there is the Iran issues lurking.

**Norton** · 06-11-2007, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Hard to get worse than Cheney. He was a main decision-maker

More like the main disaster-maker. Agree GWB has lessened influence at least publicly.

If Chaney was impeached, who would be the most likely replacement? Someone from GWB current cabinet? One of the Republican Presidential candidates? A prominent Republican Congress person? A Republican elder statesman? A leader from the Religious right? A retired military man?

Doubt the impeachment will happen but good material for debate.

**sabang** · 06-11-2007, 04:03 PM

For reasons of face, I doubt Cheney will be impeached whilst serving his term. Afterwards quite possibly, and I'm all for it.

**Norton** · 06-11-2007, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

For reasons of face, I doubt Cheney will be impeached whilst serving his term. Afterwards quite possibly, and I'm all for it.

Hope it includes a large fine and a lengthy jail sentence as well.

**raycarey** · 06-11-2007, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

This is the procecure, no?

no.

IMO there's a 0% chance of cheney being impeached, or even impeachment proceedings taking place.

the dems have a great punching bag in cheney, and the last thing they want is to make him look like a victim. he'll also be mentioned repeatedly in debates, speeches, and fundraising letters.

cheney isn't going anywhere....except to hell.

**Boon Mee** · 06-11-2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Would Nancy Pelosi become the Vice President? What a team that would make!

Naw...Oliver North would be my choice but the possibility of Cheny getting impeached is as remote as raycary voting for a Conservative! Heh...

**Boon Mee** · 07-11-2007, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Homer

It's Time to Impeach Cheney

By Congressman Dennis Kucinich, special to www.ImpeachCheney.org

"The oldest of seven children, Dennis was born in 1946 in Cleveland, Ohio to Frank and Virginia Kucinich. The family lived in 21 places, including a couple of cars, by the time he was 17 years-old. One of his most vivid memories was watching his family count out money on an old white counter top to see if they had enough for their bills. He attended Catholic grade and high schools."

Yep...that's what to look for in a quality candidate folks - having lived in cars!

Link

**Texpat** · 07-11-2007, 02:34 AM

*This is an apolitical post.*

I'm amused, but don't share the passion for this sort of rhetoric.

What ever happened to the days when people went to work, came home, read the paper and watched a reader deliver the news, had dinner and went to bed? They formed opinions based on their jobs, families and their communities. They voted with their conscious and, win or lose, accepted the outcome.

When politicians did the best they could and when it wasn't good enough they were replaced at the next election.

Very few people got overly excited about politics and the world continued to spin. There was a sense of decorum, discipline and respect. This faux outrage over a spending bill or tax adjustment is frankly embarassing. The arguing, screaming talkshows on tv and radio are shameful.

Today the media whips stories from thin air. (Does it matter if Clinton wears boxers or briefs or if Cheney's daughter is a lesbian?) The Internet bombards constituancies with divisive rhetoric and trench warfare seems to be the modus operandi. It's no wonder our politicians are basket cases. Would you want that job?

Cheney has no more chance of being impeached than Clinton did. I wish folks would get back to their jobs, their families and their communities and become politically involved rationally, reasonably and responsibly. And leave this maelstrom of concocted conflict to the networks.

Then unplug the TV.

**Hootad Binky** · 07-11-2007, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

IMO there's a 0% chance of cheney being impeached, or even impeachment proceedings taking place.

the dems have a great punching bag in cheney, and the last thing they want is to make him look like a victim. he'll also be mentioned repeatedly in debates, speeches, and fundraising letters.

Agreed ^ but just making an issue of it helps further embarrass the administration.

**raycarey** · 07-11-2007, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Texpat

Does it matter ..... if Cheney's daughter is a lesbian?)

yes, of course it does.

**barbaro** · 07-11-2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Naw...Oliver North would be my choice but the possibility of Cheny getting impeached is as remote as....

My man Booners loves to stir the pot.

Oliver North ran for Senate in Virginia in 1994 and lost to Robb.

He'll never be a politician,

But he'll have his TV show.

He has very little credibility with people that have personally met him. Many acquaintances have called hims a "serial liar."

He's a buffoon.

**AntRobertson** · 07-11-2007, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Yep...that's what to look for in a quality candidate folks - having lived in cars!

Yes I'd much prefer a candidate that comes from family money, has had everything given to him on a silver-plater, and has succeeded in life not owing to any innate talents or abilities but because they and their parents know the right people and have brought their way out of any trouble (or into the right schools). In other words, a 'Cookie-Cutter Politician'.

Oh, and being white helps too.

**raycarey** · 07-11-2007, 12:56 PM

5555

exactly, but boonie's also believes that "if you don't earn it don't deserve it"....except of course for the inheritance tax.

**Boon Mee** · 07-11-2007, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Texpat

Does it matter ..... if Cheney's daughter is a lesbian?)

yes, of course it does.

Care to elaborate?

**AntRobertson** · 07-11-2007, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Texpat

Does it matter ..... if Cheney's daughter is a lesbian?)

yes, of course it does.

Care to elaborate?

Cheney had prior to his daughter's coming-out as gay expressed anti-homosexual views. In the best tradition of conservative/right-wing politicians everywhere, the irony was lost.

**raycarey** · 07-11-2007, 06:45 PM

what's good for cheney apparently isn't good for the country.....but why should that be surprising.

**Boon Mee** · 08-11-2007, 04:35 AM

Originally Posted by raycarey

what's good for cheney apparently isn't good for the country.....but why should that be surprising.

Well, there you go again ray, thinking that the rest of the 'country' thinks like you when it doesn't. If you adhere to those SF Values, it's no wonder you're confused. There are large swaths of 'fly-over country' who do not espouse your latte-liberal credo...

BTW,
Kucinich's Broadside At Cheney Is Foiled heh...

**sabang** · 08-11-2007, 11:19 AM

President Cheneys record speaks for itself-

plunging dollar
record high oil
record debt levels
sub prime collapse
probable recession looming
Rep's have lost both Houses of Congress
the bloody and failing invasion of Iraq
The lies told to 'justify' it
Afghanistan- the Taliban has just taken over another province

If you could impeach someone for sheer pigheadedness and stupidity, it would be a no contest.

**raycarey** · 08-11-2007, 11:54 AM

no doubt, cheney's legacy is one of lies, secrecy and failure.

if memory serves, weren't the american public told that a couple of 'oil guys' would be able to talk to OPEC and keep oil prices low?

seems to me that they've tripled since this crowd took the reins.

**Boon Mee** · 08-11-2007, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

probable recession looming

Heh...
Yep - just like Bush, Cheney's responsible for all of it.
Oh - btw, seen the approval ratings for the Democratic-controlled Congress lately have you?

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