The View, from China

**OhOh** · 02-10-2021, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

^ What do you think is going on here, OhOh?

My apologies for not replying sooner. My wife has started a new business.

She is now growing small garden plants from seeds/cuttings until they are larger and worth selling. This has involved me with assisting in remodelling part of our back garden, sometimes more than once.

We've had two visits to local markets where she has been successful in selling them. Which in her mind equals success.

As I have no idea as to the costs she has incurred so far, I cannot comment on her financial success. But she is very happy.

My opinion of your posted article

:

1. A person re-appears, they are alive.
2. A person posts some "news" on a site.
3. A person actually tells us nothing.
4. A person hints at something.

As I replied, let us know when a person posts something that can be examined, discussed, applauded, disproved or commented on ....

Something more substantial has been published last week, by The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China.

Full of facts, that can be analysed, full of statements that can be checked .... Some may say, full of bullshit.

For those interested, here is the title, the section listings and a link to the full document.

China's Epic Journey from Poverty to Prosperity
The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of ChinaSeptember 2021

Contents
Preface
I. A Critical Step Towards National Rejuvenation
II. Prosperity Through All-Round Development
1. Sustained and Healthy Economic Growth
2. Expanding People's Democracy
3. Flourishing Cultural Sector
4. Improving People's Wellbeing
5. Historic Changes to the Eco-Environment
III. Prosperity for All
1. Prosperity for Every Individual
2. Integrated Urban-Rural Development
3. Coordinated Development Across Regions
IV. Prosperity Through Hard Work
1. Always Putting the People First
2. Developing Sound Policies and Strategies
3. Development Through Reform and Opening Up
4. Perseverance over Generations
V. The World Benefits from China's Prosperity

http://english.scio.gov.cn/whitepapers/2021-09/28/content_77779569.htm

"What do you think is going on here, misskit" and any others, who care to read it?

**cyrille** · 02-10-2021, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

she is very happy.

Result!

Having read your post, it's not difficult to understand why she'd appreciate the outdoor life.

**OhOh** · 02-10-2021, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by cyrille

she'd appreciate the outdoor life

Being a daughter in a Thai farming family, she has lived the life for most of it.

She did have a spell as a company data manager, as she could read the English software manual, allegedly.

**harrybarracuda** · 02-10-2021, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Something more substantial has been published last week, by The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China.

Full of facts

Well come on hoohoo, which is it?

**Saint Willy** · 03-10-2021, 04:04 AM

Full tin foil mode

Originally Posted by sabang

Chinas expat population is proving to be one of the key Factcheckers to this relentless propaganda & disinformation campaign being orchestrated by an increasingly insecure West

**sabang** · 03-10-2021, 04:10 AM

Bet this makes ya happy monkeybrains-

Overall, 76% of expats indicated general satisfaction about living in China and only 1% were extremely unhappy.

**sabang** · 03-10-2021, 04:46 AM

Shame bitter ole whiteboys feeling threatened can no longer control the narrative, innit?

**Saint Willy** · 03-10-2021, 04:53 AM

76% of expats are happy? Don’t the others just leave? That’s the thing about being an expat, hey? How happy are expats in Denmark? Or Thailand? Or Mexico? Give us a comparison or does that not suit your narrative?

**Saint Willy** · 03-10-2021, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Shame bitter ole whiteboys feeling threatened can no longer control the narrative, innit?

or just go full ad hom when you have nothing else…

**sabang** · 03-10-2021, 05:31 AM

In your case, ad homo.

**sabang** · 03-10-2021, 05:39 AM

Today's Chinese people are more dignified than ever before, and one of the important reasons is that we are not as poor as before.

I cannot remember how much Chinese nannies would earn in 1993, but their monthly salary was definitely very meager — I'd say less than 100 yuan ($15.5). I went to Yugoslavia as a correspondent that year, and met a young Chinese nanny working in the home of a US journalist. She was taken to Yugoslavia by the US journalist from China. She could earn as much as $400 per month, which was much more than what I was earning. Counting in various subsidies, I earned $295 a month back then. That year, I also learned in Greece that the monthly salary of a Filipino maid was about $300.

When the Iraq War broke out in 2003, I met many maids from South Asian countries such as India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka in Kuwait. They earned approximately over $300 per month. I also met a doctor from Dalian, Northeast China's Liaoning Province. She downshifted to work as a nurse in Kuwait with a salary of $1,000 every month, the average amount that Chinese who went overseas for work could earn at that time.

Being a nanny is not an easy job. Many of them have to leave their hometowns. Fortunately, today in Beijing, an ordinary domestic service staffer can earn about 5,000 yuan every month, while babysitters can earn 7,000 yuan and maternity matrons over 10,000 yuan. The lowest monthly income for home services is close to $800. Of course, given increased prices in China, the purchasing power of $800 to $1,000 is not as high as what it used to be. People may not feel strongly about their income increase, but from the perspective of global labor and resource distribution market, Chinese people are now in a more advantageous position than ever before. This is an important source for Chinese people's collective self-esteem.

China's home service workers today can earn as much as teachers at universities in Serbia back when I worked there as a reporter. This offers ordinary Chinese citizens the opportunity to integrate into the global supply chain and enjoy high-quality and inexpensive products and services from all over the world. The value of Chinese labor is getting higher. People in China who had a middle-level job and earn a middle income used to admire the outside world, even countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia. But the situation has fundamentally changed and is continuing to change.

The increase in nannies' income is of iconic significance. It shows that our society is gradually becoming more fair and equal. When I was young, there was a huge income gap between nannies from the countryside and residents in big cities. But now home service workers can earn approximately half of the average income of white-collar workers in Beijing. Rising salaries of home service workers are regrettably a burden for middle-class families living in cities, but this is the complicated process in which the gap between rural and urban areas and different regions gradually narrows through marketization.

In general, Chinese people are living a moderately prosperous life. And many cities and villages in developed coastal regions have begun to move toward a high level of modernization.

Of course, with increased income, people have higher demands and more expenditures, and environmental pressure is also increasing. Most families still feel that they are far away from achieving "financial freedom." I interviewed many families all over the world, and found that most of them lived on a tight budget. In other words, the lives of ordinary families in rich countries were not as good as I thought, and ordinary people in poor countries didn't live as poor as I thought.

For instance, I visited the homes of several Japanese diplomats and reporters and felt that they lived quite ordinarily. I also paid visits to two ordinary families in Laos, one of the least developed countries in the world, but their situations were much better than I thought.

Countries need to recall most of the currencies they issue. This is roughly the process in which we make money and then spend it. Almost no ordinary people can live a very abundant life. But differences lie in the quality of life, the houses people live in, and the standards for food, clothing, housing and transportation. The money we earn can be recycled through various consumption channels. Whatever the place is, ordinary families will only have a limited surplus, which means a limited sense of abundance.

However, Chinese people's quality of life has been steadily increasing over the years. It has been common for Chinese people to consume foreign products, including travelling abroad and sending their children to study overseas. Instead it has become a part of middle-class families' lives. Chinese people's lives have really become "globalized."

This is a fundamental change in people's livelihoods in modern times, providing a new foundation for our dignity, and offering many people a broader stage in their lives. In the past, most Chinese people's lives were revolving in small circles. But now, even the most ordinary workers work in trans-regional jobs or as a part of the international division of labor. This means more potential career opportunities and collective levers to enhance the value of labor, though as individuals we may not be aware of them.

On this special day, China's National Day, let's cheer up for our country. Our country is the most external shield for our personal interests, as well as an unperceived booster for our personal interests. A diplomat I know said 10 years ago that China has a very long border, but what is gratifying is that living standards of the people on the Chinese side of the border have surpassed those outside of it. This tendency will continue to strengthen.

There are still many deficiencies in our country, and we have still a long way to go in terms of modernization. When it comes to the construction of social justice, many goals still need to be achieved, such as realizing common prosperity. We still have many difficulties to overcome. But people are living a more and more dignified life. This is a process that we move forward amid twists and turns while gradually accumulates achievements. When we look back, perhaps the most important thing is that we can find there is a momentum for continuous advancement. This applies to an individual, a society and a country.

Why Chinese people are more dignified than ever before - Global Times

The author is editor-in-chief of the Global Times.

I basically agree with this. I remember when a Mainlander in HK stuck out like a sore thumb- poorly tailored clothes in cheap fabrics, utterly coarse manners- including spitting everywhere! The locals and expats were singularly unimpressed. Now, the Chinese person you meet overseas is quite likely more intelligent, cosmopolitan, accomplished and worldly wise than you (especially yo' monkeybrains). Sucks, dunnit?

I for one congratulate China and it's people on their National Day, and doffs me cap to their incredible national accomplishments. An example of 'what can be' for developing nations worldwide. Which is most of the world.

But I suppose if you are more impressed by Jeff Bezos $200bn + fortune- when hundreds of his workers have to get government food stamps to survive, well it's all the way with the USA.

**pickel** · 03-10-2021, 08:48 AM

Ffs Sabang, will you be registering with the Aussie Gov't as a foreign agent any time soon?

**david44** · 03-10-2021, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Saint Willy

That’s the thing about being an expat, hey? How happy are expats in Denmark?

To be fair happiness is transitory and subjective

I was a happy expat in UK Czechia, Oman and China with varyng levels of beer/salary/freedom
Miserable in Australia Saudi Arabia and Finland despie likmg the people

On reflection think it depends as an employee if you lik eyour tea and boss, married mine to cut out the middleman

A great American writer wrote of teh tragedy to have a soul contolled by Geograaphy

I have enjoyed study, vacationstravels in what others may think of as miserable holes

Newcastle-under-Lyme, Newcastle NSW Penang with rats in main drag Chulia Street with KW goin Psccchhht

Some of teh most depressing places I've visited include Tahiti , The Cote D'Azur and London

Such surveys are often invenyed skewed or otherwise tommyrot, balderdash if you will

**Hugh Cow** · 03-10-2021, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

My apologies for not replying sooner. My wife has started a new business.

She is now growing small garden plants from seeds/cuttings until they are larger and worth selling. This has involved me with assisting in remodelling part of our back garden, sometimes more than once.

We've had two visits to local markets where she has been successful in selling them. Which in her mind equals success.

As I have no idea as to the costs she has incurred so far, I cannot comment on her financial success. But she is very happy.

My opinion of your posted article

:

1. A person re-appears, they are alive.
2. A person posts some "news" on a site.
3. A person actually tells us nothing.
4. A person hints at something.

As I replied, let us know when a person posts something that can be examined, discussed, applauded, disproved or commented on ....

Something more substantial has been published last week, by The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of China.

Full of facts, that can be analysed, full of statements that can be checked .... Some may say, full of bullshit.

For those interested, here is the title, the section listings and a link to the full document.

China's Epic Journey from Poverty to Prosperity
The State Council Information Office of the People's Republic of ChinaSeptember 2021

Contents
Preface
I. A Critical Step Towards National Rejuvenation
II. Prosperity Through All-Round Development
1. Sustained and Healthy Economic Growth
2. Expanding People's Democracy
3. Flourishing Cultural Sector
4. Improving People's Wellbeing
5. Historic Changes to the Eco-Environment
III. Prosperity for All
1. Prosperity for Every Individual
2. Integrated Urban-Rural Development
3. Coordinated Development Across Regions
IV. Prosperity Through Hard Work
1. Always Putting the People First
2. Developing Sound Policies and Strategies
3. Development Through Reform and Opening Up
4. Perseverance over Generations
V. The World Benefits from China's Prosperity

http://english.scio.gov.cn/whitepapers/2021-09/28/content_77779569.htm

"What do you think is going on here, misskit" and any others, who care to read it?

Your delay is quite understandable. It must've taken some time to weave your new Xi prayer mat.

**OhOh** · 03-10-2021, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

Your delay is quite understandable.

Thank you for your support.

Meeting the occasional obstacle, by failing to understand Thai culture and practises, is disheartening.

Although, lifting my wife back to her state of paradise is enjoyable for us both.

**harrybarracuda** · 03-10-2021, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Today's Chinese people are more dignified than ever before, and one of the important reasons is that we are not as poor as before.

The View, from China-chinese-boy-publicly-shits-guangzhou-subway

**bsnub** · 03-10-2021, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by pickel

Ffs Sabang, will you be registering with the Aussie Gov't as a foreign agent any time soon?

He went over the edge sometime ago. Went full stop loon.

**sabang** · 03-10-2021, 02:36 PM

Ffs Sabang, will you be registering with the Aussie Gov't as a foreign agent any time soon?

As soon as Rupert Murdoch does!

**sabang** · 05-10-2021, 10:31 AM

I just thought this might make a refreshing change from the latest Chinese National Day jolly into Taiwan's "we're gonna watch you closely" airzone. Careful now, if the western media gets too apoplectic about this, it might miss the latest Uyghur genocide.

Western media bias against China deplorable, dangerous

For years, the unspoken truth about Western media is that their veneer of objectivity has come off a long time ago. While touting themselves as the epitome of trustworthiness and honesty, some media practitioners in the West have no qualms about propagating lies against China.

As the coordinated anti-China smear campaign is gaining steam, more intrepid journalists with a conscience are calling it out despite the tremendous pressure to silence them.

In one of the most excoriating rebukes against Western media's manipulation of the public opinion against China, Javier Garcia, head of the office of the EFE News Agency of Spain in Beijing, announced earlier this week that he would soon leave journalism, as the flagrant information manipulation by Western media "has taken a good dose of my enthusiasm for this profession."

The departure of journalists like Garcia is a giant loss to the industry, which is in dire need of introspection. For those who choose to stay and disagree with the highly biased and distorted reporting on China, they are usually confronted with a monolithic propaganda structure in the West to ignore, silence and discredit them.

The past few years have seen a lot of deplorable cases where anyone who dared to maintain objective and impartial positions on China were accused of being on the payroll of the Chinese government or even worse.

While they are working arduously to suppress impartial information and hoping it to pay off, some media in the West, especially in the United States, should expect that the chickens will come home to roost, as their own political order is at risk.

Even James Murdoch, son of right-wing media mogul Rupert Murdoch who owns FOX News, castigated US media for amplifying disinformation that successfully sowed falsehoods.

"Those outlets that propagate lies to their audience have unleashed insidious and uncontrollable forces that will be with us for years," he told the Financial Times shortly after the US Congress riot in early January.

For those Western media who are still slandering China's peaceful development, it is time for them to think twice.

Western media bias against China deplorable, dangerous - Opinion - Chinadaily.com.cn

Sinophobia, lies and hybrid war

Contrary to US rhetoric and disinformation China is not an existential threat to the 'free world'

As he stressed the importance of the UN, Xi could not have made it more explicit that no nation has the right to control the destiny of others: “Even less should one be allowed to do whatever it likes and be the hegemon, bully or boss of the world .”

The US ruling elite obviously won’t take this act of defiance lying down. The full spectrum of hybrid war techniques will continue to be relentlessly deployed against China, coupled with rampant Sinophobia, even as it dawns on many Dr. Strangelovian quarters that the only way to really “deter” China would be hot war.

Alas, the Pentagon is overstretched – Syria, Iran, Venezuela, South China Sea. And every analyst knows about China’s cyber warfare capabilities, integrated aerial defense systems and carrier-killer Dongfeng missiles.

For perspective, it’s always very instructive to compare military expenditure. Last year, China spent $261 billion while the US spent $732 billion (38% of the global total).

Rhetoric, at least for the moment, prevails. The key talking point, incessantly hammered, is always about China as an existential threat to the “free world”, even as the myriad declinations of what was once Obama’s “pivot to Asia” not so subtly accrue the manufactured consent for a future war.

A report by the Qiao Collective neatly identifies the process: “We call it Sinophobia, Inc. [at]– an information industrial complex where Western state funding, billion-dollar weapons manufacturers, and right-wing think tanks coalesce and operate in sync to flood the media with messages that China is public enemy number one. Armed with state funding and weapons industry sponsors, this handful of influential think tanks [is] setting the terms of the New Cold War on China. The same media ecosystem that greased the wheels of perpetual war towards disastrous intervention in the Middle East is now busy manufacturing consent for conflict with China.”

Full Article- Sinophobia, lies and hybrid war - Asia Times

^ By Pepe Escobar.

**harrybarracuda** · 05-10-2021, 11:25 AM

Looks like sabang's gone full HooHoo.

**sabang** · 05-10-2021, 11:28 AM

WooHoo! But I've gotten a bit distrustful of western media cavalcades..... Especially when they are orchestrated.

**harrybarracuda** · 05-10-2021, 11:46 AM

Yep. shitty, irrelevant youtube videos.

That's full Hoohoo.

**sabang** · 05-10-2021, 11:54 AM

Almost as irrelevant as This-

Fool me once, it's shame on You. Fool me twice, it's shame on Me.

**sabang** · 05-10-2021, 11:55 AM

Shall we not bother with the 'Tonkin Incident'? Irrelevant.

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