Thread: President Joe Biden

Originally Posted by happynz

Quite the claim, shortbread. You have any evidence to back that up?

Of course, he doesn't, this is the nonsense they spew over on Fox 24/7. It is horseshit.

How about I start by posting a doc that proves his talking point is shit...

Deportations lower under Trump administration than Obama: report

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/GO/G...0109-SD007.pdf

Originally Posted by happynz

Quite the claim, shortbread. You have any evidence to back that up?

He doesn't and he won't.

The real 'fetid truth of American politics' is that there are people like him who don't care for actual facts and are happy to have their impotent anger and bigotry pandered to by Fox and the GOP.

Played like fiddles.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But if the racist fucks embraced immigration, something on which the nation is built

Notice the very subtle yet always present swap between the term I used - Illegal Immigration - and Harriets - Immigration.

Very common amongst people on the left side of the political spectrum, this is an intentional misrepresentation of the point made and amounts to The classic strawman.

Legal immigration is great. Illegal immigration is not and never will be.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Complete horseshit you got straight of Fox News.

Originally Posted by bsnub

More Fox News talking points.

Originally Posted by bsnub

nonsense they spew over on Fox 24/7. It is horseshit.

Surprised to learn such an outrage against a media and its denigration (is it US media?), nearly same as like against RT...

In a country so famous for freedom of speech and democratic principles?

Originally Posted by Slick

the racist fucks

Notice the very subtle yet always present swap between the term I used - Illegal Immigration - and Harriets - Immigration.

I notice that and it's not subtle.

Also ILLeGaL IMMiGraNTs CAN't VoTE and there is precisely zero evidence of a Dem plan to allow it no matter how many times you mindlessly parrot Fox bigotry / talking points.

Originally Posted by Klondyke

In a country so famous for freedom of speech and democratic principles?

These principals have been tanking faster than a communist stock market over the last 20 years.

Originally Posted by happynz

Quite the claim, shortbread. You have any evidence to back that up?

See, I told you he wouldn't be posting any.

They are trying to grant citizenship to millions of illegal aliens. The 11 million number is shit they pulled out of their ass because the actual number is higher, but the higher the number the harder to sell. Citizenship comes with voting rights.

Message: Come to America and get citizenship, no matter if its legal or not.

Result: Flipping states that are usually red or purple permanently and pissing on Americans who spent their whole lives in the rat race, trying to do the right thing, buying into the "democratic" system, and fracturing an already divided country even more.

Democrats unveil Biden's immigration bill, including an eight-year path to citizenship

The U.S. Citizenship Act of 2021 includes: an eight-year pathway to citizenship for nearly 11 million undocumented immigrants; a shorter process to legal status for agriculture workers and recipients of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program; and an enforcement plan that includes deploying technology to patrol the border.

Immigration: Biden plan to include eight year path to citizenship

Originally Posted by bsnub

Deportations lower under Trump administration than Obama: report

404 - File or directory not found.

From your own link.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) attributed the lower numbers to “an increased deterrent effect from ICE’s stronger interior enforcement efforts,” but administration officials have also noted an increased proportion of immigrants from Central America, who are harder legally to deport, compared to that faced by the Obama administration.

The agency has also increased the length of time it detains people, holding non- criminals an average of 60 days in detention, 11 days longer than convicted criminals, and nearly doubling the average in 2009, according to the Post.

I know this is the Biden thread, but one thing about the USA is I've never understood why the USA allows a baby born in the USA to parents, neither of who are US Citizens, automatic US Citizenship?

The so called 'anchor babies'.

"Anchor baby" is a term (regarded by some as a pejorative) used to refer to a child born to a non-citizen mother in a country that has birthright citizenship which will therefore help the mother and other family members gain legal residency.

WIKI

But I digress ...

Originally Posted by David48atTD

But I digress ...

You aren't the only one. That is probably one of the more flagrantly abused immigration loopholes of all the flagrantly abused immigration loopholes. Fucking chinese have tours that bring pregnant women to the states to shit out babies on American soil so they can have American passports and then fuckoff until the kid is 21 and able to transmit citizenship to their parents.

South of the border they just come over illegally and shit out babies and do the same thing once they hit 21.

A law with the best of intentions becomes one of the bigger problems and one political party refuses to do anything about it because its a net benefit for them.

Ironically, to get my daughter her American passport I had to prove all kinds of shit spanning years with federal documents and jump through hoop after hoop.

Its a broken system that punishes the people who do the right thing and rewards people who dont.

Originally Posted by Slick

The 11 million number is shit they pulled out of their ass because the actual number is higher, but the higher the number the harder to sell. Citizenship comes with voting rights.

So basically, Trump did a shit job deporting illegals then.

Originally Posted by Slick

From your own link.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) attributed the lower numbers to “an increased deterrent effect from ICE’s stronger interior enforcement efforts,” but administration officials have also noted an increased proportion of immigrants from Central America, who are harder legally to deport, compared to that faced by the Obama administration.

The agency has also increased the length of time it detains people, holding non- criminals an average of 60 days in detention, 11 days longer than convicted criminals, and nearly doubling the average in 2009, according to the Post.

So the above quote turned out to be horseshit. You live in a fantasy land because no one is going to deport all the illegals that are in the US.

Originally Posted by Slick

Result: Flipping states that are usually red or purple permanently and pissing on Americans who spent their whole lives in the rat race, trying to do the right thing, buying into the "democratic" system, and fracturing an already divided country even more.

More empty talking points.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I know this is the Biden thread, but one thing about the USA is I've never understood why the USA allows a baby born in the USA to parents, neither of who are US Citizens, automatic US Citizenship?

It's in the 14th Amendment to the US constitution, Dave.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

Originally Posted by happynz

It's in the 14th Amendment to the US constitution, Dave.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

Trumpanzees only know about the Second Amendment.

Originally Posted by happynz

It's in the 14th Amendment to the US constitution, Dave.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside

Care about the constitution now do we?

This is why border control is so important. You shouldn't be able to come illegally and dump out babies for citizenship.

Originally Posted by Slick

Care about the constitution now do we?

This is why border control is so important. You shouldn't be able to come illegally and dump out babies for citizenship.

Mate, happynz was simply explaining the 14th Amendment ... he didn't make a statement supporting or condemning it.

No need to dump on him.


I, on the other hand, completely disagree with it (the 14th Amendment).

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Mate, happynz was simply explaining the 14th Amendment ... he didn't make a statement supporting or condemning it.

No need to dump on him.

I dumped on him because he likes to take little swipes but has no intention of reading or understanding any position he demands evidence for.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

I, on the other hand, completely disagree with it (the 14th Amendment).

It wouldnt bother me at all if this was trashed.

Migrants are not what is flipping red states purple or blue. It is the fact that the GOP is an aging party and its base is dying off, the fact that people from progressive states are moving to red states especially Florida and Texas.

Arizona just turned blue, Virginia did back in 2016, and I can guarantee you it was not because of immigrants.

But talking points, however untrue, get the lemmings stirred up. Slick being a case in point.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Migrants are not what is flipping red states purple or blue.

Granting citizenship and voting rights to millions and millions of illegal aliens will 100% without a doubt flip numerous states permanently blue. This is the goal. A one party state with total control.

You can create all the false equivalences and straw men you want, still doesn't change the truth of it, nor does it make it any less fucked up that you and your party refuse to acknowledge it, and in fact, support it.

^Some say that they are transported into other states despite the resistance of the state officials, but who knows whether it is true...

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Some say that they are transported into other states despite the resistance of the state officials

Those are "refugees" from other countries. A different method of importing voters that typically Democrats expand when they are in power and Republicans reduce when they are in power.

Another arm of the same shitty body.

Originally Posted by Samuel

That's not true.


Republicans are for legal immigration — and against illegal immigration.


Legal immigration rose to almost two million per year under Dubya senior, dropped under Clinton, and has been around one million per year since, under Dubya, Obama, and Trump.


Reagan was the one who got legislation passed that legalized 3/4 of the illegals at the time.


The idea was that the border would be enforced (stop illegals coming across) while legalizing those in the country.


Since then, the border hasn't been enforced — Trump started, and Biden stopped those efforts — so, there won't be another Regan-like bill supported by Republicans until a strong border stops further illegals from crossing, obviously.


Meanwhile, left-wingers like AOC are actually against stopping the illegals from crossing — and illegal immigrants are happy Biden is president while they crash the border in record numbers.

Number of migrants at US border hits new record high - BBC News

Number of migrants at US border hits new record high


The number of undocumented migrants reaching the US-Mexico border has hit the highest level in more than 20 years in the latest sign of the humanitarian crisis facing the Biden administration.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Obama deported more people than your orange god dummy.

Why do you suppose the Biden Admin is reversing Obama's policies?

Because whatever the far left-wingers like AOC want, they get?


Good ole Uncle Joe can't say "no"?


Centrist democrats know this will not suit the party well in the midterms next year.


Even the Washington Post is sounding the alarm:

Opinion: President Biden needs a coherent strategy for the border



Opinion by the Editorial Board




Vice President Harris, tasked by the president with devising an immigration blueprint, has laid out...


That’s fine as far as it goes. It’s also a list that anyone with a passing knowledge of the region could have compiled. What is mostly missing from the sweeping rhetoric and broad-strokes analysis is an actual plan for action.



But the convoluted messaging — telling migrants not to seek entry to the United States while at the same time relaxing or scrapping an array of measures that would actually dissuade them, and providing relief to migrants on both sides of the border — has been a failure.



That failure is measurable, and it is politically toxic. As of mid-July, a staggering 1.1 million unauthorized border crossers had been apprehended so far in the current fiscal year, which began last Oct. 1. Nearly 190,000 migrants, a record monthly total high, were taken into custody by border officers in June alone, when the early summer’s heat often deters many from making the trek. At the current pace, officials project that apprehensions will reach 1.5 million by the end of the fiscal year, the most in more than two decades.



Alarmed by the numbers, the administration infuriated immigration advocates by announcing it would retain a Trump-era public health measure...

For the most part, the administration’s impulses are humane. However, they have driven a policy whose incoherence has yielded pressure at the border that may cost the Democrats control of one or both houses of Congress in next year’s midterm elections. So far, there is nothing in the administration’s short- or long-term strategizing that is likely to shift that dynamic.



full article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...rategy-border/

Originally Posted by Slick

It wouldnt bother me at all if this was trashed.

LOL the 'position' of the Right right here...

The GunZ Amendment is an irrevocable human right but actual human rights aren't.

But for bald-faced hypocrisy and hate and bigotry they'd have nothing.

Originally Posted by happynz

It's in the 14th Amendment to the US constitution, Dave.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."

Originally Posted by Slick

Care about the constitution now do we?

YES!!

After 16 years someone finally got annoyed by happynz!

Great news...

WASHINGTON — Democrats pushed their expansive $3.5 trillion framework for bolstering family services, health, and environment programs toward Senate passage early Wednesday, as Republicans unleashed an avalanche of amendments aimed at making their rivals pay a price in next year’s elections.

Congressional approval of the budget resolution, which seems assured, would mark a crucial first step by Democrats toward enacting the heart of President Joe Biden's domestic agenda. It would open the door to a follow-up measure aiming the government's fiscal might at assisting families, creating jobs and fighting climate change, with higher taxes on the wealthy and big companies footing much of the bill.

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., once a progressive voice in Congress' wilderness and now a national figure with legislative clout, said the measure would help children, families, the elderly and working people — and more.

“It will also, I hope, restore the faith of the American people in the belief that we can have a government that works for all of us, and not just the few," he said.

Republicans argued that Democrats' proposals would waste money, raise economy-wounding taxes, fuel inflation and codify far-left dictates that would harm Americans. They were happy to use Sanders, a self-avowed democratic socialist, to try tarring all Democrats backing the measure.

If Biden and Senate Democrats want to "outsource domestic policy to Chairman Sanders" with a “historically reckless taxing and spending spree," Republicans lack the votes to stop them, conceded Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky. “But we will debate. We will vote."

Budget resolution passage is critical because in the 50-50 Senate, it would let Democrats alone approve a subsequent bill actually enacting their $3.5 trillion in spending and tax policies over the next decade. Approval of the budget would shield the follow-on legislation from Republican filibusters, procedural delays that kill bills.

Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, No. 2 House Democratic leader, announced Tuesday that the chamber would return from recess Aug. 23 to vote on that blueprint and perhaps other measures. Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., has praised the budget resolution.

The Senate turned to the budget minutes after it approved the other big chunk of Biden's objectives, a compromise $1 trillion bundle of transportation, water, broadband and other infrastructure projects. That measure, passed 69-30 with McConnell among the 19 Republicans backing it, now needs House approval.

In contrast, every Republican present was opposed as the Senate voted 50-49 to begin considering the budget. Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D., missed the roll call to be with his ailing wife.

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., assured progressives that Congress will pursue sweeping initiatives going beyond the infrastructure compromise. It was a nod to divisions between the party's moderates and liberals that he and Pelosi will have to resolve before Congress can approve their fiscal goals. Democrats also control the House but only narrowly.

“To my colleagues who are concerned that this does not do enough on climate, for families, and making corporations and the rich pay their fair share: We are moving on to a second track, which will make a generational transformation in these areas," Schumer said.

In a budget ritual, senators plunged into a "vote-a-rama," a nonstop parade of messaging amendments that often becomes a painful all-night ordeal. The Senate had held roll calls on more than two dozen of them as midnight came and went, more than 10 hours after the wretchedness began.

With the budget resolution largely advisory only, the goal of most amendments was not to win but to force the other party's vulnerable senators to cast troublesome votes that can be used against them in next year's elections for congressional control.

Republicans crowed after Democrats opposed GOP amendments calling for the full-time reopening of pandemic-shuttered schools, boosting the Pentagon's budget and retaining limits on federal income tax deductions for state and local levies. Those deduction caps are detested by lawmakers from upper-income, mostly Democratic states.

Republicans were also happy when Democrats opposed restricting IRS access to some financial records, which McConnell's office said would prompt political “witch hunts,” and when Democrats showed support for Biden's now suspended ban on oil and gas leasing on federal lands, which Republicans said would prompt gasoline price increases.

One amendment may have boomeranged after the Senate voted 99-0 for a proposal by freshman Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., to block federal funds for any municipalities that defund the police. That idea has been rejected by all but the most progressive Democrats, but Republicans have persistently accused them anyway of backing it.

In an animated, sardonic rejoinder, Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., called Tuberville's amendment “a gift" that would let Democrats “put to bed this scurrilous accusation that somebody in this great esteemed body would want to defund the police." He said he wanted to “walk over there and hug my colleague."

Republicans claimed two narrow victories with potential long-term implications, with West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, one of the chamber's most conservative Democrats, joining them on both nonbinding amendments.

One indicated support for health care providers who refuse to participate in abortions. The other voiced opposition to teaching critical race theory, which considers racism endemic to American institutions. There's scant evidence that it's part of public school curriculums.

The budget blueprint envisions creating new programs including tuition-free pre-kindergarten and community college, paid family leave and a Civilian Climate Corps whose workers would tackle environmental projects. Millions of immigrants in the U.S. illegally would have a new chance for citizenship, and there would be financial incentives for states to adopt more labor-friendly laws.
Medicare would add dental, hearing and vision benefits, and tax credits and grants would prod utilities and industries to embrace clean energy. Child tax credits beefed up for the pandemic would be extended, along with federal subsidies for health insurance.

Besides higher taxes on the wealthy and corporations, Democrats envision savings by letting the government negotiate prices for pharmaceuticals it buys, slapping taxes on imported carbon fuels and strengthening IRS tax collections. Democrats have said their policies will be fully paid for, but they'll make no final decisions until this fall's follow-up bill.

Senate passes Dems''' $3.5T budget resolution in latest win for Biden