Mislead and Misdirect for Money: Fox "News" is Dangerous

**tomcat** · 23-04-2020, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

I was an Obama supporter, I would have voted for him.

a) So, all you actually did there was throw in the word 'negro' to highlight how people who don't agree with you are racist.

b) The problem with the likes of Snubby and Cyrille is they never think, they just repeat propaganda and cliches.

c) ...many people who voted for Trump would preferred to have voted for a Democrat, but the Democratic party has become so detached from the wishes and needs of the people that they were unable to vote for the Democratic candidate.

Let's put it this way: trump is moronic, in no way a decent individual or capable leader of government. I think most of us can agree with that. But, some folks such as Cyrille blame it on the stupid masses, and guess what, Trump will get voted in again. Personally, I'd rather critique why the Democrats lost (a process that was never adequately done, and Oliver for the most part ignores and discourages - notice the words 'most part'), come up with a better candidate with better policies and win the nest election.

d) But, the trolls keep calling Trump and everyone else stupid

a) correct...obvious, but effective...
b) sounds like you've caught their contagion as well...
c) anyone who voted for tRump (for whatever reason) is ultimately a fool...his colors were on display all through the election period...
d) tRump is stupid...plain and simple...the folks who serve him are smarter than he is, but hide it well to keep their jobs...note: send an e-mail to Al-Jazeera requesting an in-depth expose on the shenanigans of the Qatari ruling family...wait patiently by your computer screen...

**harrybarracuda** · 23-04-2020, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

You so called liberals

And now we know why Boo doesn't like John Oliver.

**bsnub** · 23-04-2020, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The problem with the likes of Snubby and Cyrille is they never think, they just repeat propaganda and cliches.

You ass you are the one who is standing up for fox news. I can assure you I think much deeper than you do and I find it ironic that you mention clichés when all your posts about "liberals" are one big cliché. When it comes down to it Democrats haven't been "losing" as you claim. The orange moron won the electoral college and lost the popular vote. We had a landslide victory and took back the house in the midterms. So I ask where is this losing you talk about?

You are disingenuous about the fact that you are actually a right winger who likes to pontificate about "liberals". Drop the facade.

**Bettyboo** · 23-04-2020, 03:27 PM

I didn't stand up for Fox in any way, they are terrible.

You do know that Trump is president, don't you? The democrats lost, and just like you, they are saying how they won and making comments like "where is the losing you talk about?"

Not that many right wingers support George Galloway, so you might be a tad off there, Snubby.

You have done exactly what I said: blame everyone else but your own political group, not change your behaviour or analyse why you lost then just lie to make yourself feel better. You and your ignorant ilk are the reason why somebody like Trump can win an election and will likely win again... Think about that for one second: if you and your political group are so righteous and so smart then how can somebody like Trump win? &, being as terrible as he has been, then how could he possibly win another election???

**cyrille** · 23-04-2020, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

You are disingenuous about the fact that you are actually a right winger who likes to pontificate about "liberals". Drop the facade.

Bang On!

He continually posts about never voting Tory, but all of his posts drip right wing blue.

Then he'll moan about sources of things that blow his pathetic argument out of the water, when his additions are either deliberately without sources and links, of by discredited idiots whose only function is to stir the pot like George Galloway.

And his claims that I only want to get 'personal'!

How many times has he mentioned me and snubby now?

The man's a raging hypocrite.

**Bettyboo** · 23-04-2020, 03:39 PM

^ and yet, your group lose vote after vote, Boris and Trump happily in power for a long time yet - never your fault, always everyone else to blame... Do you not get bored of always being on history's losing side?

**harrybarracuda** · 23-04-2020, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ and yet, your group lose vote after vote, Boris and Trump happily in power for a long time yet - never your fault, always everyone else to blame... Do you not get bored of always being on history's losing side?

Has someone hijacked Boo's account or has he just been in the trumpanzee closet all this time?

**Bettyboo** · 23-04-2020, 04:19 PM

Trump is a fukwit, Johnson is also poor, but we have no options in the UK.

That's the issue, the moronic liberals are so busy blaming everyone else and not taking responsibility that poor leaders (well, no leaders...) such as Boris and Trump can rule because Labour and the Democrats just don't improve. When Labour lost the election they blamed, the electorate, Brexit, the state of the nation, everything but their own dire politics. The Democrats were exactly the same in the US. The Cyrilles and Snubbys of the world promote this discourse (just like Oliver - which is my one point in this thread...): call everyone names, blame everyone, but don't actually change their parties or reflect - Trump and Boris will continue to win elections unless the Tories/Democrats actually do something other than crying...

**tomcat** · 23-04-2020, 04:41 PM

...so far, the only media source that you say you trust is Al-Jazeera...is that the source that informs your political views or do you have others?...you appear to dislike everyone, but save particular scorn for the slightly left of center political groupings and their leaderships...a bit slippery, no?...

**harrybarracuda** · 23-04-2020, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by tomcat

...so far, the only media source that you say you trust is Al-Jazeera...is that the source that informs your political views or do you have others?...you appear to dislike everyone, but save particular scorn for the slightly left of center political groupings and their leaderships...a bit slippery, no?...

It seems to be Boo's attempt at evasive tactics.

Pretty fucking shit if you ask me.

But trumpanzees is thick innit.

**bsnub** · 23-04-2020, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Not that many right wingers support George Galloway, so you might be a tad off there, Snubby.

Who the fuck is George Galloway?

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

You have done exactly what I said: blame everyone else but your own political group, not change your behaviour or analyse why you lost then just lie to make yourself feel better. You and your ignorant ilk are the reason why somebody like Trump can win an election and will likely win again... Think about that for one second: if you and your political group are so righteous and so smart then how can somebody like Trump win? &, being as terrible as he has been, then how could he possibly win another election???

Oh look another big fat Cliché.

**SKkin** · 23-04-2020, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by kmart

Good question. Virtually all mainstream media is now owned by establishment moguls pushing an agenda. (And all are members of secretive groups like Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberger Group, etc.). "Journalists" don't even get to investigate or corroborate news stories, just obtain their stories verbatim from Reuters or even directly from "Government sources" without challenging the veracity of what goes out to the public.

Guess what, those establishment moguls don't give a damn if their audience is left wing or right wing. Nor if they're (R) or (D). They just want gullible dupes who swallow the garbage they put out like mother's milk. They've struck gold with their bi-partisan US audience.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

that Oliver tw%t is very telling when these broader criteria is applied; he is a dumb shrill.

Green owed for that alone...though I first read that as shill. And for just about everything else you've posted in this thread. Mostly spot on.

I won't watch any of it...Fox, CNN or whatever. US TV 'News' and/or infotainment is garbage, no matter what the brand. Newspapers such as NYT and WaPo are no better.

**HuangLao** · 23-04-2020, 05:46 PM

Highly invented political identities and faux philosophies.
One and the same. Convention of a traditional manner.

Though, not recognized.

The only winners are THEM.

**cyrille** · 23-04-2020, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

I first read that as shill.

It must have made more sense that way.

**tomcat** · 23-04-2020, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

I won't watch any of it...Fox, CNN or whatever. US TV 'News' and/or infotainment is garbage, no matter what the brand. Newspapers such as NYT and WaPo are no better.

...so, where do you get your news then? Whose opinions do you follow? What sources of analysis do you trust? It's one thing to be negative and suspicious of everything on the airwaves/internet, but quite another to leave us in suspense as to how you learned man landed on the moon...

**bsnub** · 23-04-2020, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

I won't watch any of it...Fox, CNN or whatever. US TV 'News' and/or infotainment is garbage, no matter what the brand. Newspapers such as NYT and WaPo are no better.

Yep trash all sources of information and what do you have left?

Originally Posted by tomcat

It's one thing to be negative and suspicious of everything on the airwaves/internet, but quite another to leave us in suspense as to how you learned man landed on the moon...

Tin foil tomfoolery.

**Bettyboo** · 23-04-2020, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by SKkin

Green owed for that alone...though I first read that as shill. And for just about everything else you've posted in this thread. Mostly spot on.

I won't watch any of it...Fox, CNN or whatever. US TV 'News' and/or infotainment is garbage, no matter what the brand. Newspapers such as NYT and WaPo are no better.

Yes, you're right. It's obvious to anyone who engages their brain. Sadly, the average member here is rather lacking in that department, they just watch crap that reinforces their non-thinking - these are of course the idiots that enable the abuse of everyone else via supporting the rhetoric in these propaganda channels such as CNN, FOX, etc. Cyrille, for example, just laps up everything written in the Guardian (which is another dire propaganda monger).

**tomcat** · 23-04-2020, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Yes, you're right.

...so, you agree with the poster who agrees with you...sounds like a rather tight circle...

**bsnub** · 23-04-2020, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Yes, you're right. It's obvious to anyone who engages their brain.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

they just watch crap that reinforces their non-thinking - these are of course the idiots that enable the abuse of everyone else via supporting the rhetoric in these propaganda channels such as CNN, FOX, etc.

I have not even owned a TV since 2008. You have stated that you apparently get all your info from Al Jazira which is more than disingenuous. Maybe it is time for you to quit fucking about and name the rest of the sources you gather information from.

**HuangLao** · 23-04-2020, 06:06 PM

How easily we're conditioned through hypnotic suggestion.

Not questioning.
Not challenging.
Not curious.

**harrybarracuda** · 23-04-2020, 06:32 PM

So, we've established that Fox News is a load of fucking shite, Boo doesn't like that so he's trying a bit of classic trumpanzee "whataboutism", and this thread is a waste of fucking time because we all know this from the other Fox News are fucktards thread which has been proving the same thing since 2009.

FOX "news" (FOX "news")

**bsnub** · 23-04-2020, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Boo doesn't like that so he's trying a bit of classic trumpanzee "whataboutism

Indeed

**Cujo** · 23-04-2020, 07:06 PM

While it's true the dems have no one to blame but themselves for losing the election running such an unlikeable candidate it doesn't excuse Foxes duplicity.
If betty wants to complain about CNN go start a thread on the dubious doings of CNN, this is about fox.

Fox News hosts go mum on the covid-19 drug they spent weeks promoting
At the height of Fox News’s coverage of a would-be treatment for the novel coronavirus, the network’s medical correspondent, Marc Siegel, offered a remarkable testimonial during Tucker Carlson’s show.

Siegel said his 96-year-old father, suffering from symptoms of the virus and fearing he would die, made a full recovery thanks to the drug, hydroxychloroquine, and a course of antibiotics. “He got up the next day and was fine,” Siegel told an astonished Carlson.

Siegel’s miraculous-recovery story was part of a near-campaign for hydroxychloroquine by Fox News and its sister network, Fox Business.

Echoing President Trump’s description of the drug as a “game changer,” Carlson, Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs and “Fox and Friends” hosts spoke of its potential benefits in dozens of segments from mid-March to mid-April. They also criticized those in the media and the medical establishment who raised concerns, turning a debate among researchers and scientists into another front in the culture wars.

But in the past week or so, Trump has all but stopped talking about hydroxychloroquine. And so have Fox News’s hosts.

The relative silence follows disappointing, even alarming, new research about hydroxychloroquine as a treatment for covid-19, the disease caused by the virus. A study released this week on 368 male Veterans Affairs patients with the disease showed that the death rate among those given the drug, both in combination with another drug and alone, was higher than for those who were not. Researchers also said its use made no difference in the need for ventilators.

Like other fast-moving research about covid-19 treatments, the study by VA and academic researchers hasn’t undergone the typical peer-review process and isn’t the kind of formal clinical trial, like those underway elsewhere, that will offer more definitive answers. However, it was based on one of the largest collections of data about the drug’s use.

Another study, released by French researchers last week, offered more discouraging clues. It found no statistically significant difference in the death rates among 181 covid-19 patients who had taken hydroxychloroquine within 48 hours of being admitted to a hospital and those who hadn’t. The study also highlighted dangerous side effects; eight developed arrhythmia, or abnormal heart rhythms, and had to stop taking it.

On Tuesday, an expert panel convened by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, advised physicians against prescribing hydroxychloroquine with the antibiotic azithromycin because of the potential side effects. The panel said there wasn’t enough evidence yet to recommend for or against hydroxychloroquine as a treatment. The agency is headed by Trump’s top infectious disease adviser, Anthony S. Fauci, who has repeatedly tempered Trump’s upbeat commentary about the drug.

All of which raises a question about the Fox News hosts’ advocacy of hydroxychloroquine: Were they pushing a potentially ineffective, even dangerous, remedy in the absence of sound science and well in excess of their expertise or knowledge?
A Fox spokeswoman declined to comment directly on any primetime commentary but mentioned recent segments that “show the network’s attention to all sides of this story from a news and opinion perspective.”

Carlson, Hannity and Ingraham didn’t mention the new research on their programs on Tuesday. The topic has faded from their commentary, replaced by rhetoric about China’s culpability for the pandemic and advocacy for reopening the country, again seemingly as part of a feedback loop with Trump’s own comments.

Ingraham, who met with Trump in early April to urge him to push the drug, hasn’t discussed hydroxychloroquine since April 15. She tweeted on Wednesday that she would address the new research about it on Wednesday. (She also tweeted, in reference to another pandemic-related topic, that “We made big decisions based on faulty data, bad models.”)

But syndicated TV host Dr. Mehmet Oz — an enthusiastic promoter of the drug in his many guest appearances on Fox News — seemed to backpedal from his usual advocacy on Wednesday’s “Fox and Friends.”

“The fact of the matter is, we don’t know,” he told co-host Brian Kilmeade, adding, “There’s a lot of variables. Brian, I gotta say at this point there is so much data coming from so many places, we are better off waiting for the randomized trials Dr. Fauci has been asking for. Otherwise, we keep reacting back and forth to studies that show opposite results, and a lot of it might have to do with when you get the medication.”

Dr. Oz, Fox’s all-purpose coronavirus pundit, apologizes for pushing the ‘trade-off’ of reopening schools

Oz, a cardiac surgeon with limited expertise in pharmacology or virology, had previously said on Fox News that Fauci — the government’s leading infectious-disease expert — needed to “respect” the positive results of studies conducted to date, even if they were small.

Given the new data, Fox News has an obligation to give equal time to the doubts and potential dangers of hydroxychloroquine, said William Haseltine, the eminent biologist and biotech entrepreneur.

“That’s just public responsibility,” said Haseltine, who is chairman and president of Access Health International, a nonprofit organization that seeks to expand access to health care. “They have a duty to inform their [viewers] that they made a mistake. It’s not a crime to make a mistake, but they do need to correct it.”

In contrast to the network’s popular commentators, Fox’s News’s programs and website have been more cautious and have reported on the new research.

The network on Tuesday played clips from a White House press briefing in which Stephen Hahn, commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, urged waiting for randomized clinical trials “to actually make a definitive decision around safety and efficacy.”

Trump sounded a bit less enthusiastic about hydroxychloroquine during the same briefing. He said he was unaware of the VA study. He also said, “Obviously, there have been some very good reports and perhaps this one is not a good report. But we’ll be looking at it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...7c7_story.html

Lets face it. They're just the Trump channel aren't they. I remember him talking about them " 'We' used to have such good reporters there" or some such as though Fox and the republican party were one and the same.

**harrybarracuda** · 23-04-2020, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Cujo

While it's true the dems have no one to blame but themselves for losing the election running such an unlikeable candidate it doesn't excuse Foxes duplicity.
If betty wants to complain about CNN go start a thread on the dubious doings of CNN, this is about fox.

Fox News hosts go mum on the covid-19 drug they spent weeks promoting

Perhaps they are in the "dump" phase of "pump and dump".

**helge** · 24-04-2020, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by HuangLao

How easily we're conditioned through hypnotic suggestion.

Not questioning.
Not challenging.
Not curious.

Microphone Holders ?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Has someone hijacked Boo's account or has he just been in the trumpanzee closet all this time?

Hijacked by sense ? Not to bad

Well done

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