Thread: 2020 US Presidential Race

So, in short, Trumptards gonna Trumptard and they don't give a fuck about facts and are adept at bringing turds to a high-sheen finish.

Plus ca change.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

So, in short,

In Short: die hard dems and die hard repubs don't count. Their votes are etched in granite, Mickey Mouse/Hitler, don't matter.

The key to the election is those undecided and/or fickle middle of the roaders. The ones whose vote ain't really decided until that last minute as they close the curtain.

Originally Posted by bowie

No, money, for the most part, doesn't get voters to the booth.

You (politician) must come up with an energizing message that amplifies itself and gets that "groundswell" of excitement. Carrying itself, the message, to the polls. Gone are the days when TV advertisements had the voting public as a captive audience. The oh so many channels available along with the variety of medias kinda dilute the advertising dollars effect.

No they don't, they amplify it.

Online advertising and coverage are a massive part of it.

Especially if they are being posted by Russians.

Originally Posted by bowie

The key to the election is those undecided and/or fickle middle of the roaders. The ones whose vote ain't really decided until that last minute as they close the curtain.

I find that so unbelievable - how can anyone still be undecided, especially with a guy as polarising as Trump. Americans no longer think in terms of fiscal or social issues as a catalyst for their choices and the last election was a perfect example as Trump showed no policies and 60 million voted for him.


As I said, the friends I have who are republicans/conservatives at heart are quite middle of the road and simply won't vote for the orange buffoon this time . . . they are all from paces I have worked; Phoenix, San Jose, Boston and Seattle . . . fiscal conservatives, social middle of the road, infrastructure spending and military spending realistic

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Online advertising and coverage are a massive part of it.

Been in Thailand a few years now. Can't answer for just how much "on-line", "network" and/or "cable" advertisements matter.

I get my info from CNN and BBC, part of my true cable, MSNBC and AOL on-line, nothing in print other than the VFW mag which doesn't carry political.

What "influences" my decisions when it comes to politicians - their "stated" platforms as reported by the above mentioned media outlets.

When I lived in the US network TV commercials around election time were mostly mudslinging "vote for me cause the other guy is so bad"

Not, this is what I'm gonna do when I take the helm. So, if the general voting public is exposed to mostly mudslinging, how do they make their decisions - peer pressure.

Originally Posted by bowie

My reaction is how most Americans react "Who Cares?"

So you parents didnt teach you a basic human virtue, dont lie? I guess not, as you and others are so blinded by the SOB you forget all the core values you hold as a decent human being. That is so freaking sad.. Subscribing to the loss of human decency is beyond my comprehension..

Originally Posted by aging one

so blinded

Well, when it comes to politicians - you know "The rich telling the poor the reason they are poor is because of the rich", you get this:

"Read my lips - no new taxes"
"The first thing I'm going to do when I get elected is to close Guantanamo Bay"
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
"Mission Accomplished"

Seems 'tis more of a "conditioned response".

Clinton aside whose dalliance barely affected the running of the nation, there's a marked and pronounced difference between broken campaign promises dashed on the shores of realpolitik and the constant, pathological, lies Trump spouts.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

there's a marked and pronounced difference between broken campaign promises dashed on the shores of realpolitik and the constant, pathological, lies Trump spouts.

Trumptards like Bowie always have lots of go-to deflections.

Originally Posted by bowie

Been in Thailand a few years now. Can't answer for just how much "on-line", "network" and/or "cable" advertisements matter.

I get my info from CNN and BBC, part of my true cable, MSNBC and AOL on-line, nothing in print other than the VFW mag which doesn't carry political.

What "influences" my decisions when it comes to politicians - their "stated" platforms as reported by the above mentioned media outlets.

When I lived in the US network TV commercials around election time were mostly mudslinging "vote for me cause the other guy is so bad"

Not, this is what I'm gonna do when I take the helm. So, if the general voting public is exposed to mostly mudslinging, how do they make their decisions - peer pressure.

Yeah you are a bit out of touch.

• 69% of U.S. adults use at least one social media site.
• The average American Internet user has 7.1 social media accounts.
• 88% of American 18- to 29-year-olds use social media.
• Social media ad spend in 2019 is expected to be nearly $93 billion.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trumptards like Bowie always have lots of go-to deflections.

Don't they just.

I'm also watching in utter bemusement as some Trumptards take Biden to task over his verbal gaffes and questionable behavior with women.

It's like these people have zero sense of hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Trumptards like Bowie always have lots of go-to deflections.

It is not just that it is the fact that he is completely wrong to think that the election can be won only via healthcare. The polls all show drumpf way behind the top four dem candidates by double digits.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...lls/elections/

Originally Posted by bsnub

It is not just that it is the fact that he is completely wrong to think that the election can be won only via healthcare. The polls all show drumpf way behind the top four dem candidates by double digits.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...lls/elections/

Come off it snubby, you know polls at this stage are meaningless.

It's what they look like next November that counts.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

Swinging voters elect governments.

I'd disagree . . . the ones who will carry the election are new voters, far higher in numbers . . . now, how to get these lazy prats off their arses


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Originally Posted by David48atTD

*that should have successfully alienated almost everyone

Vegans

Originally Posted by David48atTD

All I want is political stability so the World Economy can gain some momentum

...perhaps you could teach the world to sing...in perfect harmony...

Interesting bit – my USA Attorney passed so I returned to the USA to select another. Spend a month in the USA over the songran holidays. Of course, visiting friends and family. Celebrity status as I’m an expat.

Lived in Philadelphia/New Jersey area – solid blue territory. Visiting friends, two separate times, in conversation. Issue raised by others, had two separate millennials (who do not know each other and live in towns a few hundred miles from each other). Complained about the ACA individual mandate. One said “they’re making me pay for old peoples insurance”. The other just said it was “unfair” and forced him to have insurance he did not want. (did not want to pay for).

But, I don’t know these folks. They are both sons of my friends. Both working mediocre paying jobs, one part-time community college attendee, the other a sales clerk at a department store.

Now, the reason I bring this up is, this occurred in April, I didn’t solicit anything political in our friendly conversations, yet, on two separate occasions, two millennials raised the ACA and it’s “impact” on them.

That is what Americans are concerned about these days – no mention of “The Wall”.

Yeah nothing like an apocryphal tale of unverified veracity purporting to be reporting conveniently supporting comments from two people to indicate what an entire nation is thinking.

And "The Wall" was the sated reason many people voted for Trump. Mexico's paying remember.

Originally Posted by David48atTD

It doesn't matter how passionate your vote is ... it's still counted, by the machine, as a vote.

Joseph Stalin said some version of "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."

Originally Posted by happynz

Joseph Stalin said some version of "It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."

Damn, that horror Ardern will win another term

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Yeah nothing like an apocryphal tale of unverified veracity purporting to be reporting conveniently supporting comments from two people to indicate what an entire nation is thinking.

Another common right wing tactic. "I spoke with an old friend who is a liberal and a democrat since for the last thirty years I was surprised when she said (insert comment supporting/validating some right wing talking point here)"

Some shit different day.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Damn, that horror Ardern will win another term

I hope so.

No bridges Bridges and Pullya Benefit is painful to contemplate.

Originally Posted by happynz

I hope so.

Argh, where's my red repo button when I need it

The president, my boss - WTF was his name?
This is Getting Sad: Biden Appears to Forget Barack Obama?s Name During Speech - CUZZ BLUE