2020 US Presidential Race

**harrybarracuda** · 30-07-2019, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by bowie

I think it's even simpler than that - the people listen to the candidates and vote for the one that energizes them, makes them feel hopeful for the future and excites them. Trump is a cheerleader, he energized his base. And, regardless of the media and the polls, Trumps base is still energized.

If the dems want to win they have to promote a plan that Americans believe will better them and find a candidate capable of energizing a wave of followers.

What you really mean is they have to bullshit better.

**bowie** · 30-07-2019, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What you really mean is they have to bullshit better.

Bingo - nail on the head.

Gotta excite them, doesn't really matter what story you use, all that matters is starting a wave of contagious excitement, we're gonna...

**Norton** · 30-07-2019, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by bowie

Gotta excite them, doesn't really matter what story you use, all that matters is starting a wave of contagious excitement, we're gonna

"A chicken in every pot"

It wasn't just chicken. During the presidential campaign of 1928, a circular published by the Republican Party claimed that if Herber Hoover won there would be “a chicken in every pot and a car in every garage.“

After the market crash in 1929, most folks had to stand in food line to share a bit of chicken with a whole bunch of folks.

**RPETER65** · 31-07-2019, 04:19 AM

A few thoughts on Kamala Harris

https://spectator.org/kamala-harris-flip-flops-again/

**Norton** · 31-07-2019, 05:11 AM

Well, big Dem debate today. A further wittling down of the gaggle of hopefuls.

Should be entertaining so will watch it. Expect Warren and Bernie will have a bit of a go at each other.

Let the culling begin.

**David48atTD** · 31-07-2019, 05:20 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Well, big Dem debate today. A further wittling down of the gaggle of hopefuls.

Should be entertaining so will watch it. Expect Warren and Bernie will have a bit of a go at each other.

Let the culling begin.

Bit more background ... https://tinyurl.com/yx9dehx4

**Norton** · 31-07-2019, 09:56 AM

Debate done. Three standouts. Stick a fork in them, the rest are done.

The three in order are Buttigieg, Warren and Sanders.

Appears to me the progressives will emerge victorious over moderates.

**Cujo** · 31-07-2019, 10:32 AM

I don't think a progressive candidate will have a snowballs chance in hell of winning an election. Swing voters won't swing that far.

**Norton** · 31-07-2019, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Cujo

I don't think a progressive candidate will have a snowballs chance in hell of winning an election. Swing voters won't swing that far.

This is the fundamental point of the moderates. Agree to a point with a big if. If progressives get a really big turnout they can win.

Iowa caucuses still long way off. Between now and Feb next year, things and my opinion will change.

Another debate tomorrow. Let's see how they respond to todays debate.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2019, 11:30 AM

Apparently nary a mention of the Biden in the room.

I suppose that can wait until he's on a stage with them.

**Humbert** · 31-07-2019, 11:43 AM

Warren did an outstanding job forcefully articulating her positions. She also landed a knock-out blow on Delaney.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2019, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Warren did an outstanding job forcefully articulating her positions. She also landed a knock-out blow on Delaney.

Well that's not nice. You shouldn't kick a man when he's down.

**bowie** · 31-07-2019, 02:35 PM

Sanders won (yes, I'm biased, I've always liked 'im)

It's argued he's too old - well, you'd never know it. His only problem is he promotes socialism and will lose many votes because of it. He should just promote his platforms and solutions and stay away from the phrase socialism. "Medicare for All" is a platform that can be carried into the win column - it just has to be promoted correctly.

If played correctly - revision of the USA's healthcare system can generate the ground swell needed. The vast majority of Americans are fed up with the abject failure of the American medical monopoly - it is the leading cause of bankruptcies and the exorbitant co-pays and ridiculous deductibles are keeping most of the American people in the poor house.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2019, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by bowie

Sanders won (yes, I'm biased, I've always liked 'im)

It's argued he's too old - well, you'd never know it. His only problem is he promotes socialism and will lose many votes because of it. He should just promote his platforms and solutions and stay away from the phrase socialism. "Medicare for All" is a platform that can be carried into the win column - it just has to be promoted correctly.

If played correctly - revision of the USA's healthcare system can generate the ground swell needed. The vast majority of Americans are fed up with the abject failure of the American medical monopoly - it is the leading cause of bankruptcies and the exorbitant co-pays and ridiculous deductibles are keeping most of the American people in the poor house.

It's also the leading cause of premature deaths.

**docmartin** · 31-07-2019, 03:51 PM

Who’s gunna vote for a President Buttgag ?

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2019, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by docmartin

Who’s gunna vote for a President Buttgag ?

Well at least he is a bona fide vet not a fucking draft dodger.

**Humbert** · 31-07-2019, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by RPETER65

A few thoughts on Kamala Harris

Not yours as usual.

**docmartin** · 31-07-2019, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Well at least he is a bona fide vet not a fucking draft dodger.

Being in the National Guard very occasionally when there’s not much happening on the weekend, or having heel spurs that tragically prevented a keen-as-mustard young lad joining up didn’t seem to be a problem with the voters previously.

**harrybarracuda** · 31-07-2019, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by docmartin

Being in the National Guard very occasionally when there’s not much happening on the weekend, or having heel spurs that tragically prevented a keen-as-mustard young lad joining up didn’t seem to be a problem with the voters previously.

I know, they should be ashamed of themselves.

**Cujo** · 01-08-2019, 04:47 PM

Kamala Harris gets schooled.

https://twitter.com/SirajAHashmi/sta...665922048?s=09

**RPETER65** · 02-08-2019, 12:16 AM

More democrats in fighting.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...million-people

**Agent_Smith** · 02-08-2019, 01:11 AM

^Washington Examiner is just Breitbart lite.

**David48atTD** · 02-08-2019, 02:18 AM

Analysis

Five key takeaways from the Democrats' second presidential primary debates

It wasn't the first Democratic debate, but for many candidates, it could be the last.
Between two nights, 20 Democrats took to the stage in Detroit, Michigan — more than double the number that are likely to make it to the third round in September.

Night one saw frontrunners Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren battle moderates like Pete Buttigieg, Amy Klobuchar and Beto O'Rourke.
Night two featured the pack's leader, Joe Biden, defending his stances against progressives like Kamala Harris, Cory Booker and Andrew Yang.
The candidates tackled everything from healthcare to immigration to gun control to foreign policy.

The divisions were on display, but so was the unity. All candidates on stage want to beat President Donald Trump.

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Here's what you need to know:

1. Biden asks rival to 'go easy' — but they didn't

As the poll leader, Mr Biden took the centre podium on night two.
After he was pummelled by California Senator Kamala Harris in last month's debate, he greeted her on stage with a plea: "Go easy on me, kid".
Still, he took the most heat in the second debate, as almost every candidate on stage had a turn at jabbing the former vice-president.

2. Warren and Sanders took on the moderates

Senators Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are ideologically similar and the polling gap between the two is slowly closing.

The latest averages count had them at 16 per cent and 14 per cent respectively.
Mr Biden still leads the pack with 32 per cent.

3. Race emerged as a hot topic

For the second time this month, Mr Trump's tweets are fanning the flames of America's conversation about race.

The questions are so front of mind that several candidates — Amy Klobuchar, Mr Castro and Michael Bennet — mentioned them in their opening statements, and protestors shouted "Fire Pantaleo" during Mr DeBlasio's opening remarks.

4. Healthcare reveals a spectrum of stances — and resumes

Healthcare, one of the top issues for Democratic voters, proved to be one topic where the moderators could show some daylight between the candidates.
No surprise that it was the most talked about topic during both debates.
Pretty much all of the candidates agree that a level of universal healthcare is needed, but they vary greatly on the extent to which a public insurance option should be kept on the table.

5. They're all sick of 'Republican talking points'

For a debate between Democrats, the Republicans got a lot of air time.

On night one, Senator Sanders and Senator Warren chastised the moderators for loading questions with "Republican talking points", particularly on immigration and the economy.
The phrase surfaced repeatedly during night two as a way to pivot from a question candidates didn't like.

Lots more Analysis HERE

**Agent_Smith** · 02-08-2019, 02:42 AM

It's so early that I've just tuned this out until they whittle themselves down to three candidates, likely Sanders, Warren, and Biden.

If history is a guide, the DNC will shoehorn Biden into the spot since they care more about "electibility" than big ideas.

It's really a horse race between Trump's base/economy vs Dems message/Trump unlikability next year, regardless of who the ultimate candidate will be.

The Dems biggest problem is the other side bringing up the Socialist bogeyman at every opportunity. Most Americans are so brainwashed they don't understand what it is and have a knee jerk reaction to the word every time they hear it. The big challenge is to re-brand that word in a positive light and I really don't the Dems are up to it, so they will punt and pick Biden - a corporate democrat who has no interest in changing the status quo of the wealthy elites. Basically he's an old school Republican, with cultural leanings to the left.

**David48atTD** · 02-08-2019, 03:15 AM

^ Reckon there is a fair bit of truth in that post.

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