Thread: American coup in Venezuela

^So after 16 years of US control, Iraq is on a level with Venezuela for corruption

The US installed the puppet government in Iraq so the US is ultimately responsible for any corruption.

It's well known that public utilities in Iraq, sewage, roads, refuse collection, electricity etc were pretty much abandoned by the US following the invasion and for many years after.

The Iraqis had their oil looted, millions died, but ended up worse off than under Saddam.

As one Iraqi said:

Fifteen years after the U.S. invasion, electricity is still unreliable in Baghdad.

"Those who came after haven't improved the infrastructure, they haven't built anything, they haven't done anything for the people," says Jabouri. "Saddam's was a brutal regime. But now, I really regret hitting the statue."

They droppin' warheads on foreheads yet, Klong Dyke? Where's the BOOM?

Originally Posted by foobar

^So after 16 years of US control, Iraq is on a level with Venezuela for corruption

The US installed the puppet government in Iraq so the US is ultimately responsible for any corruption.

It's well known that public utilities in Iraq, sewage, roads, refuse collection, electricity etc were pretty much abandoned by the US following the invasion and for many years after.

The Iraqis had their oil looted, millions died, but ended up worse off than under Saddam.

As one Iraqi said:

Fifteen years after the U.S. invasion, electricity is still unreliable in Baghdad.

"Those who came after haven't improved the infrastructure, they haven't built anything, they haven't done anything for the people," says Jabouri. "Saddam's was a brutal regime. But now, I really regret hitting the statue."

"Hi, my name is foobar and I'd like to go on the Venezuela thread and start banging on about how bad the Iraq War was because when I'm losing an argument I like to try and change the subject".

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

They're in equal 168th place with Venezuela.

So easy to eradicate the corruption: just exchange the regime... (In Thailand it has worked, hasn't it? - how many times...)

Originally Posted by The Shining Light

"37. Modern-day economic sanctions and blockades are comparable with medieval sieges of towns with the intention of forcing them to surrender. Twenty-first century sanctions attempt to bring not just a town, but sovereign countries to their knees. A difference, perhaps, is that twenty-first century sanctions are accompanied by the manipulation of public opinion through “fake news”, aggressive public relations and a pseudo-human rights rhetoric so as to give the impression that a human rights “end” justifies the criminal means. There is not only a horizontal juridical world order governed by the Charter of the United Nations and principles of sovereign equality, but also a vertical world order reflecting the hierarchy of a geopolitical system that links dominant States with the rest of the world according to military and economic power. It is the latter,geopolitical system that generates geopolitical crimes, hitherto in total impunity. It is reported that the United States is currently training foreign lawyers in how to draft legislation to impose further sanctions on the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela in an effort to asphyxiate Venezuelan State institutions."

From the UN report on Venezuela by Alfred De Zayas

Absolutey bang on target.

That must be why harry thinks de Zaya's a twat...

Brought to you by Russian Bot Max Blumenthal...

2 comments from the second video:

Originally Posted by SKkin

That must be why harry thinks de Zaya's a twat...

Well actually I think he's a bit of a wanker because he thinks the Nuremburg trials were a Jewish conspiracy and the Germans were innocent, and he reckons there is no humanitarian crisis in Venezuela (apparently he deduced this from a hotel room window).

So no, nothing the crazy fuck says can be taken seriously.

Now they have tank fires at the Petro San Félix oil refinery and no-one to put them out.

The inept wankers are ruining a once great country.

Meanwhile...

In the well-lit dining room of El Alazan, dollar bills are flying. Waiters whisk expensive cuts of meat and bottles of whisky between tables; a couple dances to a band playing in the corner.

This steakhouse in the affluent Altamira neighbourhood is busier than ever and the front desk juggle payments with wads of cash.

Juan, a nightclub owner in his sixties who sips a vodka and orange at the bar, says he has come here with his friends as “there is nowhere else in Caracas you can do this right now”.

Outside, the streets are deserted as night falls, a crippling nationwide blackout imposing a de facto curfew after another long day of searches for food, water, and fuel.

All but a tiny sliver of Venezuela is in chaos: schools and businesses are closed, water and petrol pumps have failed, communications, cashpoints and card-readers are down and most transport has ground to a halt. Food is running out, and patients are dying in hospitals.

The only refuges are a few upscale hotels and restaurants like El Alazan, those that have their own generators - though these too are beginning to fail.

For now, they are the preserve of the well-heeled few: a meal at El Alazan costs several times the minimum monthly wage of 18,000 bolivars ($5), the Caracas hotels now at full occupancy still more. Meanwhile many of these businesses, as well as the handful of open shops, are only accepting US banknotes - unobtainable for most Venezuelans.

Juan acknowledges he belongs to a privileged class - a businessman with access to dollars and friends in high places.

Despite years of economic collapse, it is still possible for the rich to live well in Venezuela. “But it is not like this for most people,” he says. The city's nightlife has hollowed out, those who can afford such luxuries are either “with the government or involved in the drug trade,” he explains.

“People who work, their salaries don’t stretch to anything.”

Now, the blackout is pushing Venezuela over the precipice, Juan says, with most fighting to simply survive. “I think there will be war," he adds.

Tuesday night marked five days since the lights went out in the oil-rich South American nation. While some pockets have seen it return for brief periods, most of the country remains in darkness and despair is setting in.

Looting has broken out in many areas while protests are only repressed by fierce security forces and armed groups known as colectivos.

Daniel Betancourt, a 33-year-old driver who lives in the impoverished Caracas barrio of Catia, spoke of fear and desperation as food and water ran out. Unrest was simmering, he said. “It was a very Chavista area but not now.
People have had enough.”

He queued for four hours on Monday to fill up containers from a lone tap with drinkable water; elsewhere, people have turned to streams and even contaminated channels. He was dismayed by shopkeepers demanding American currency, he told The Telegraph. “Most people can’t do that. I think they are doing it to grab dollars.”

Already struggling hospitals have been further battered by the blackout, with back-up generators and critical equipment failing. Julio Castro, of the NGO Doctors for Health, reported that as of Monday night at least 21 patients had died under the outage.

At the J.M. de los Rios Children’s Hospital in Caracas, its doors locked and guarded, women and children have been seen shouting from the windows that they had no food or water.

The opposition-controlled National Assembly, led by Juan Guaidó - recognised as Venezuela’s interim leader by more than 50 countries - on Monday declared a state of “national alarm” over the blackout.

Mr Guaidó, like most, blames the failure on poor maintenance and corruption, and says it can only be resolved upon the departure of the Maduro government. No one knows when the outage might end - experts have suggested that while the initial cause may have been a forest fire which overheated lines.

Nicolas Maduro insists the blackout has been inflicted by "imperialist" sabotage as part of an “electric war”. On Monday night he claimed a “demonic plot” by Donald Trump to tip the country into mayhem and justify military action. It was the time for “collective resistance”, he urged.

Mr Guaidó called further demonstrations on Monday, saying that the “end of the usurpation” would depend on mass mobilisation in the streets. But protesters are divided on whether that will be enough, as they are on the likelihood - or wisdom - of outside intervention.

Maria Angel Ynojosa, a 20-year-old student from the Las Acasias district, said that at least some kind of international assistance was necessary. “People are dying,” she told The Telegraph. “We hope that they give this help that we need, that we really need.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...kout-cripples/

^The US are recycling the same destabilisation tactics used during the Arab Spring, flood the media with a one-sided narrative, support the opposition( promising leaders a cut of the take ), encourage people to take to the streets and riot, .....and we all know how this worked out for Syria/Libya.

It's only a matter of time before we're hearing reports of barrel bombs and Sarin victims.

Where are the reports of US subs blocking the ports, Klong Dyke? Where's the action? This ain't much of a coup, is it?

Ain't much of a coup is it Ohoh? Perhaps you're just talkin' shit. Again.

The overpowering stink from the cess pool, is spreading quicker, every second.

Try Listerine. It should work for 15, maybe 20 minutes.

However many



are installed.

The sum effect remains the same



worn out methods and filthy floors.

Originally Posted by OhOh

You call destabilising people lives no action?

This is only in your little fertile imagination hoho.

The person destabilising Venezuela is the one who has run the country and its infrastructure into the ground.

If I was Venezualan I'd want to double tap the corrupt little bastard.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The person destabilising Venezuela is the one who has run the country and its infrastructure into the ground.

So easy to exchange the one - and the country will flourish immediately again. Hasn't it flourished in Afgh., Iraq, Libya, Ukraine? (you name it...)

Why not to try in Haiti? It's not so far like Venezuela and no Russian flyers there? What about Mexico? There are so many choices around...

Footage Contradicts U.S. Claim That Nicolás Maduro Burned Aid Convoy

CÚCUTA, Colombia — The narrative seemed to fit Venezuela’s authoritarian rule: Security forces, on the order of President Nicolás Maduro, had torched a convoy of humanitarian aid as millions in his country were suffering from illness and hunger.


Vice President Mike Pence wrote that “the tyrant in Caracas danced” as his henchmen “burned food & medicine.” The State Department released a video saying Mr. Maduro had ordered the trucks burned. And Venezuela’s opposition held up the images of the burning aid, reproduced on dozens of news sites and television screens throughout Latin America, as evidence of Mr. Maduro’s cruelty.


But there is a problem: The opposition itself, not Mr. Maduro’s men, appears to have set the cargo alight accidentally.

Top U.S. officials have said Nicolás Maduro’s regime burned an aid convoy last month. But TV footage contradicts that claim and shows how this unverified information spread across Twitter and television.


Unpublished footage obtained by The New York Times and previously released tapes — including footage released by the Colombian government, which has blamed Mr. Maduro for the fire — allowed for a reconstruction of the incident. It suggests that a Molotov cocktail thrown by an antigovernment protester was the most likely trigger for the blaze.

At one point, a homemade bomb made from a bottle is hurled toward the police, who were blocking a bridge connecting Colombia and Venezuela to prevent the aid trucks from getting through.


But the rag used to light the Molotov cocktail separates from the bottle, flying toward the aid truck instead.

Half a minute later, that truck is in flames.


The same protester can be seen 20 minutes earlier, in a different video, hitting another truck with a Molotov cocktail, without setting it on fire.



https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/10/w...ire-video.html

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Why not to try in Haiti? It's not so far like Venezuela and no Russian flyers there? What about Mexico? There are so many choices around...

I hear Detroit could use a few aid trucks.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

"Hi, my name is foobar and I'd like to go on the Venezuela thread and start banging on about how bad the Iraq War was because when I'm losing an argument I like to try and change the subject".

Isn't the subject " American coup in Venezuela "
IMO Not to discuss other american coups will be like having a discussion about the transmission reliability of , for example, a Ford everest but not be allowed to talk about the past transmission reliability of other ford models.

Or Ford Pinto fuel tanks v Boeing flight control systems. Planned penny pinching or ameristan AI superiority?

No US troops marching on Caracas?


So disappointing. Hey... did you just make up the whole story about the US invasion? It's just your fantasy, isn't it? I'm beginning to think this isn't an invasion, or a coup or anything of the sort...

Originally Posted by Texpat

US invasion? It's just your fantasy, isn't it?

Anybody ever heard about any US invasion? It's just your fantasy, isn't it?

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Isn't the subject " American coup in Venezuela "
IMO Not to discuss other american coups will be like having a discussion about the transmission reliability of , for example, a Ford everest but not be allowed to talk about the past transmission reliability of other ford models.

The title is nonsense. You're right, it should probably be a news thread.

So I've opened one.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The title is nonsense.

Absolutely, a nonsense...

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

“Military intervention would be much more difficult than many believe,” Rebecca Bill Chavez, a former deputy assistant defense secretary for the Western Hemisphere, told the committee.

Democrats warned against any military action without congressional authorization.

Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai

Isn't the subject " American coup in Venezuela "
IMO Not to discuss other american coups will be like having a discussion about the transmission reliability of , for example, a Ford everest but not be allowed to talk about the past transmission reliability of other ford models.

You can take it as given when Lord HawHaw responds with personal attacks and abuse it's because he has nothing and can't answer the fact based point being made,

Similarly, if you deviate from the official narrative set by US foreign policy as seen through the lens of American Exceptionalism then he gets equally agitated.

His delusion is so great, he think he can simply rename the thread and 'alakazam' we'll all become as blinkered as he and mindlessly feed on his straight propaganda articles.

Don't be fooled by his hating on Trump, its just smoke and mirrors to muddy the waters, he secretly loves Trump ...obviously, as he endorses every stroke of his foreign policy.