War Without End

**bsnub** · 29-08-2018, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Thanks for proving my point dipshit.

**Klondyke** · 29-08-2018, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I am convinced that after Trump, we will see much worse POTUS

As if anything would change within the system...

**Dragonfly** · 29-08-2018, 10:04 PM

another fine example of bsnob being another delusional American

**GracelessFawn** · 29-08-2018, 10:13 PM

War is inevitable and death a certainty.....

**Maanaam** · 30-08-2018, 05:00 AM

A question:

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Has the US has ever won a war in the last 70 years?

The respnse, at once both qualified and not answerig the question:

Originally Posted by bsnub

They have not lost one tactical battle on the Battalion level

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I said "war" not "battle".

Originally Posted by bsnub

A massive back down.

No, a massive diversion from you. So the question remains unanswered, unless I am to infer from your response that the answer is "NO".

**SKkin** · 30-08-2018, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Has the US has ever won a war in the last 70 years?

Grenada...1983

Although it's said we won the first Gulf War(Iraq)...but we're still there after going back in the second time. Is that a win?

**jabir** · 30-08-2018, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Never forget you bozo we handed the Falklands to you lot. The Argies would have decimated you lot if it was not for the US.

I'm a bit slow, didn't realise you're American, thought you were a lost chav but kept it to myself.

As for the Falklands, my response was to the question, "Has the US has ever won a war in the last 70 years?" Sure the Americans helped, mostly with critical supplies and use of logistics, though afaik they did not fire a single shot at the Argies so it was not their war and they expressly did not win it.

By your convoluted reasoning, if not for the French winning the American War of Independence, you people would still be speaking proper English.

Aftr, I wrongly assumed that members do read and specifically what they are posting about before posting. All is not lost if you put your mind (sic) to it.

**bsnub** · 30-08-2018, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by jabir

Sure the Americans helped, mostly with critical supplies and use of logistics, though afaik they did not fire a single shot at the Argies so it was not their war and they expressly did not win it.

The US fed the Argies bad intel on how to set the detonators on bombs they used as well as the proper altitude to drop them on the British ships. If you know the history of that conflict several bombs did not detonate on impact. All of these ships would have been sunk before the Brits even got to land on the islands...

* HMS Glasgow (destroyer)

* HMS Argonaut (frigate)

* HMS Plymouth (frigate)

* RFA Sir Lancelot (landing ship)

* MV British Wye (tanker)

**jabir** · 30-08-2018, 11:24 AM

Did you even read my post before diverting to the loss of our task force?

What's the air like where you are!

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

will probably want to have a shot and force everyone to follow their silly "ideals"

Already happening.

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Been in plenty, but never won, I think.

Granada was a success, temporarily.

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

So you are claiming that these countries could invade the US?

You are assuming an "invasion" is necessary to control a country.

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Never forget you bozo we handed the Falklands to you lot. The Argies would have decimated you lot if it was not for the US.

ameristan offered weapons to enable one solution to be attempted. The UK had and would have used other solutions if and when required to uphold Lizzies honour.

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Never forget you bozo we handed the Falklands to you lot. The Argies would have decimated you lot if it was not for the US.

ameristan offered weapons to enable one solution to be attempted. The UK had and would have used other solutions if and when required to uphold Lizzies honour.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Wars are always won on the tactical level if you ever donned a uniform

Wars are won/lost at a political level. If you understand politics.

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

I dare you to find a time that US forces ever lost a battle of battalion size or larger.

Pearl Harbour. Or was the island not worth deploying a "battalion" to protect it?

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Thanks for proving my point dipshit.

Saigon was not a battle of "battalion or larger" size?

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

another fine example of bsnob being another delusional American

Digging his rat-hole deeper and deeper, as the armour rolls right by.

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by SKkin

Is that a win?

The orientals have a phrase, "Win/Win" which means both enjoy a positive outcome.

ameristan seems to believe that, "Lose/Lose", is the same.

**Klondyke** · 30-08-2018, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Originally Posted by Maanaam
I said "war" not "battle".

I agree: a "battle" when one side throws bombs from 10,000 m height and /or send missiles around the world from the comfort of a/c room cannot be lost.
(only some foolish pilots got shot down and fall into a lake)

**Norton** · 30-08-2018, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Saigon was not a battle of "battalion or larger" size?

It was but was no US troops involved in the defense os Saigon. All ARVN troops. The US had long before shamefully abondoned south vietnam.

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by jabir

if not for the French winning the American War of Independence

Don't forget the Russian's assistance as well. Although I don't believe Putin was President or Prime Minister of Russia at the time so he didn't get a medal for that one.

"American Civil War
See also: Uragan class monitor and Russian frigate Alexander Nevsky

During the American Civil War, Russian-American relations were very generally cooperative. Alone among European powers, Russia offered oratorical support for the Union, largely due to the view that the U.S. served as a counterbalance to the British Empire.^[16]
During the winter of 1861–1862, the Imperial Russian Navy sent two fleets to American waters to avoid their getting trapped if a war broke out with Britain and France. Many Americans at the time viewed this as an intervention on behalf of the Union, though historians deny this.^[17] The Alexander Nevsky and the other vessels of the Atlantic squadron stayed in American waters for seven months (September 1863 to June 1864).^[18]

1865 saw a major project: the building of a Russian-American telegraph line from Seattle, Washington through British Columbia, Russian America (Alaska) and Siberia - an early attempt to link East-West communications. It failed and never operated.^[19]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...ican_Civil_War

**OhOh** · 30-08-2018, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

It was but was no US troops involved in the defense os Saigon. All ARVN troops

Which was decided by whom? A military commander or a politician?

**jabir** · 30-08-2018, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Granada was a success, temporarily.

Note the timing; what happened just before to distract with Grenada?

**jabir** · 30-08-2018, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

ameristan offered weapons to enable one solution to be attempted. The UK had and would have used other solutions if and when required to uphold Lizzies honour.

Wars are won/lost at a political level. If you understand politics.

Spot on!

**jabir** · 30-08-2018, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

I dare you to find a time that US forces ever lost a battle of battalion size or larger.

Strange 'dare', even for you, and btw why the qualification from war to battalion-size battle?

It's time to switch off the machine mate; play safe, pull out the plug!

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