Thread: The Deep State

What is Wall Street's(and by extension "The City") part in the Deep State? Why I emphasized that McClatchy is a publicly traded corporation...

Here's one of the "good guys" ...Scott's take on that(an excerpt from a longer article in The Asia-Pacific Journal - Japan Focus):

The State, the Deep State, and the Wall Street Overworld 国と深層国家と超支者ウォール・ストリート (Updates March 13, 2014)
https://apjjf.org/2014/12/10/Peter-D...0/article.html

The Long History of the Wall Street Overworld

Lofgren's inclusion of Wall Street is in keeping with Franklin Roosevelt's observation in 1933 to his friend Col. E.M. House that "The real truth … is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."¹⁴

FDR's insight is well illustrated by the efficiency with which a group of Wall Street bankers (including Nelson Rockefeller's grandfather Nelson Aldrich and Paul Warburg) were able in a highly secret meeting in 1910 to establish the Federal Reserve System – a system which in effect reserved oversight of the nation's currency supply and of all America's banks in the not impartial hands of its largest.¹⁵ The political clout of the quasi-governmental Federal Reserve Board (where the federal Treasury is represented but does not dominate) was clearly demonstrated in 2008, when Fed leadership secured instant support from the successive administrations of a Texan Republican president, followed by a Midwest Democratic one, for public money to rescue the reckless management of Wall Street banks: banks Too Big To Fail, and of course far Too Big To Jail, but not Too Big To Bail.¹⁶

Wall Street and the Launching of the CIA

Top-level Treasury officials, CIA officers, and Wall Street bankers and lawyers think alike because of the "revolving door" by which they pass easily from private to public service and back. In 1946 General Vandenberg, as Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), recruited Allen Dulles, then a Republican lawyer at Sullivan and Cromwell in New York, "to draft proposals for the shape and organization of what was to become the Central Intelligence Agency in 1947." Dulles promptly formed an advisory group of six men, all but one of whom were Wall Street investment bankers or lawyers.¹⁷ Dulles and two of the six (William H. Jackson and Frank Wisner) later joined the agency, where Dulles proceeded to orchestrate policies, such as the overthrow of the Arbenz regime in Guatemala, that he had previously discussed in New York at the Council on Foreign Relations.¹⁸

There seems to be little difference in Allen Dulles's influence whether he was a Wall Street lawyer or a CIA director. Although he did not formally join the CIA until November 1950, he was in Berlin before the start of the 1948 Berlin Blockade, "supervising the unleashing of anti-Soviet propaganda across Europe."¹⁹ In the early summer of 1948 he set up the American Committee for a United Europe (ACUE), in support of what became by the early 1950s "the largest CIA operation in Western Europe."²⁰

The Deep State and Funds for CIA Covert Operations

Wall Street was also the inspiration for what eventually became the CIA's first covert operation: the use of "over $10 million in captured Axis funds to influence the [Italian] election [of 1948]."²¹ (The fundraising had begun at the wealthy Brook Club in New York; but Allen Dulles, still a Wall Street lawyer, persuaded Washington, which at first had preferred a private funding campaign, to authorize the operation through the National Security Council and the CIA.)²²

Dulles's friend Frank Wisner then left Wall Street to oversee an enlarged covert operations program through the newly created Office of Policy Co-ordination (OPC). Dulles, still a lawyer, campaigned successfully to reconstruct Western Europe through what became known as the Marshall Plan.²³ Together with George Kennan and James Forrestal, Dulles also "helped devise a secret codicil [to the Marshall Plan] that gave the CIA the capability to conduct political warfare. It let the agency skim millions of dollars from the plan."²⁴

This created one of the earlier occasions when the CIA, directly or indirectly, recruited local assets involved in drug trafficking. AFL member Irving Brown, the assistant of AFL official Jay Lovestone (a CIA asset), was implicated in drug smuggling activities in Europe, at the same time that he used funds diverted from the Marshall Plan to establish

a "compatible left" labor union in Marseilles with Pierre Ferri-Pisani. On behalf of Brown and the CIA, Ferri-Pisani (a drug smuggler connected with Marseilles crime lord Antoine Guerini), hired goons to shellack striking Communist dock workers.²⁵

An analogous funding source for the CIA developed in the Far East: the so-called

"M-Fund," a secret fund of money of enormous size that has existed in Japan [in 1991] for more than forty years. The Fund was established by the United States in the immediate postwar era for essentially the same reasons that later gave rise to the Marshall Plan of assistance by the U.S. to Western Europe, including the Federal Republic of Germany….. The M-Fund was used not only for the building of a democratic political system in Japan but, in addition, for all of the purposes for which Marshall Plan funds were used in Europe.²⁶

For at least two decades the CIA lavishly subsidized right-wing parties in countries including Japan and Indonesia, possibly still using captured Axis funds.²⁷ (One frequently encounters the claim that the source of the M-fund was gold looted by Japan during World War Two ("Yamashita's gold").²⁸

As a general rule the CIA, rather than assimilating these funds into its own budget, appears to have left them off the books in the hands of cooperative allied powers – ranging from other U.S. agencies like the Economic Cooperation Administration (ECA. set up in 1948 to administer the Marshall Plan) to oil companies to powerful drug kingpins.²⁹

The CIA never abandoned its dependency on funds from outside its official budget to conduct its clandestine operations. In Southeast Asia, in particular, its proprietary firm Sea Supply Inc., supplied an infrastructure for a drug traffic supporting a CIA-led paramilitary force, PARU.³⁰ The CIA appears also to have acted in coordination with slush funds from various U.S. government contracts, ranging from the Howard Hughes organization to (as we shall see) the foreign arms sales of U.S. defense corporations like Lockheed and Northrop.³¹

More at the link above...

^ No. You said Lofgren is in on the deep state. Cant trust anything he writes.


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Off topic [Horrors!] but here is something that might interest a few on TD.

Operation Paper: The United States and Drugs in Thailand and Burma　　米国とタイ・ビルマの麻薬
November 2010
https://apjjf.org/-Peter-Dale-Scott/3436/article.html

Maybe some of you living there in Thailand can inform me if Scott is full of shit on this particular article's topic.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Here's another opinion of my own. Personally I think Lofgren is a deep state player too. His book and interview with Moyers were a bit of "gatekeeping" in my mind.

This. Why would anyone trust him?

Originally Posted by misskit

No. You said Lofgren is in on the deep state. Cant trust anything he writes.

I said I think he might be doing a bit of "gatekeeping" not that everything he says is wrong.

Originally Posted by misskit

Why would anyone trust him?

Bits of truth can come in all forms...

I will not comment on this thread one way or the other tonight I am well into the cups. But I would like to post this documentary here and I hope all of you watch it. This man Michael Ruppert sadly killed himself but what he says is real and credible. He wrote a book about 9/11 that I do not agree with Crossing the Rubicon, however what he says in this documentary is spot on. Please give it a watch;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mITT-AG3M8s

Originally Posted by Norton

Certainly not a politically unified group because they support multiple political persuasions via campaign contributions.

Ruh roh. If this is so, I think we will find out soon that Vladimir Pudding is Deep State, too.

^^^
i agree with much of what you've posted. money controls politics in the US and everyone should know that.

the term 'deep state' itself has recently been sensationalized by provocateurs and lapped up by conspiracy nuts.



^^^^
you mistakenly posted a link to the book not the video.

Originally Posted by Norton

Appears the term "deep state" is a term folks use to cover near any occasion to imply US politics is controlled by some unseen cabal.

There is one reason why all of the conspiracies are bunk and it is really really simple. Complicity. That is it and that is all. There is no way that you can keep a group of hundreds more likely thousands of people quiet especially not in this era and not for decades. It is impossible, yet to believe any of these theories you must buy in full stop to that impossibility.

Originally Posted by Norton

Get the lobbists and big money out of our politics and poof, the deep state disappears.

That is why I voted for Bernie Sanders and will do so again in 2020.

Originally Posted by misskit

I think we will find out soon that Vladimir Pudding is Deep State, too.

I think he's a puppet of Deep Money. How about that...have hinted at that multiple times before this thread and subject came up.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Couldn't see the youtube in your post above...I have his book. edit: ^^fixed now, thanks snub.

This thread is moving fast and like I said I am in the cups. Just updated my last post too. I have his book also.

Originally Posted by bsnub

There is no way that you can keep a group of hundreds more likely thousands of people quiet

You ever heard of compartmentalization?

compartmentalization is the limiting of access to information to persons or other entities who need to know it in order to perform certain tasks.

Originally Posted by SKkin

I think he's a puppet of Deep Money.

So know we get back to the Rothschilds.

Here's my issue with this whole 'Deep State' stuff (or indeed pretty much every conspiracy theory going)...

The notion that there are shadowy forces at work to control and manipulate countries / world events requires a certain amount of faith in mankind and their abilities - i.e. that there are those out there smart enough to pull off a massive conspiracy and that of the hundreds or thousands (or many hundreds of thousands) involved they all keep quiet about it (and yet despite being all-powerful and well dodgy and shit they can't stop random Person A from writing random Book B and outing the whole shebang).

Nah, people are intrinsically just to fucking stupid on the whole to pull that sort of shit off on any sort of regular basis.

Originally Posted by SKkin

You ever heard of compartmentalization?

Impossible in today's world.

Originally Posted by bsnub

There is no way that you can keep a group of hundreds more likely thousands of people quiet especially not in this era and not for decades.

Exactly. I worked on the moon landing along with thousands of others. Trust me if I had an inkling it was faked, I would spill the beans and write a book. I could use the money.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Impossible in today's world.

nonsense! ask any Rothschild?

Originally Posted by Norton

Exactly. I worked on the moon landing along with thousands of others. Trust me if I had an inkling it was faked, I would spill the beans and write a book. I could use the money.

Maybe you could just explain in detail how you managed to travel through the Van Allen belt, which many (NASA) say is impossible? Did it get warm?

Originally Posted by Airportwo

Did it get warm?

Went at night. No problem.

Originally Posted by Airportwo

Maybe you could just explain in detail how you managed to travel through the Van Allen belt, which many (NASA) say is impossible? Did it get warm?

"many say".....

Now where have I heard that before...

For the Apollo trips, we wanted to send the astronauts through a sparse region of the belts, and to try and get through them quickly. This was necessary in any case; the crafts had to make it to the Moon in a reasonable amount of time, and the shorter the trip, the less exposure to all sorts of radiation the astronauts would get.

In the end, it seemed that these tactics worked; the on-board dose counters for the Apollo missions registered average radiation doses to the skin of the astronauts of 0.38 rad. This is about the same radiation dose as getting two CT scans of your head, or half the dose of a single chest CT scan; not too bad, though not something you should do every week.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillian.../#76975a986f8d

I've not read much of the thread, but the "deep state" is absolutely real.....but not in the way most people think.

American has always had "career" people throughout the government that collectively have maintained the status quo regardless of who is shitting in the White House.

IMO, it doesn't really matter whether people think there's a deep state or not.

it's just what i call those wankers in the intelligence agencies, etc. who leak to the wa post/ny times to further their agenda.

example:

1. the hysteria about wmd in iraq.

2. the hysteria in the mainstream media after trump was elected that trump colluded with the russians to defeat hillary (drip, drip, drip of new "stories" from "unnamed sources" every day in late 2016 and early 2017).

^Shut up FaRT you utter spastic.