Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

Huntin is willy, but jealous coz he's stuck on the 15th floor, poor fuker - feel for you and the kids with no garden.































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Originally Posted by Saint Willy

A favourite 3 star hotel you rent a room at is not exactly the same as owning an estate in France, moneybags.

Is this similar to chico getting all bent out of shape about my pool that he blurted out the fact that he has friends who have stayed in hotels with pools . . . ?

Well its taken long enough and was always destined for this. Been doing nicely out of the Protocol has IRE, we'll see how this works out for the Irish Symp.

EU could shelve Brexit trade deal if UK triggers article 16, Irish minister warns

Simon Coveney accuses British government of ‘deliberately forcing breakdown’ in negotiations over Northern Ireland

The prospect of a trade war between the UK and the EU has edged closer, with Ireland giving the clearest hint yet that Brussels plans to suspend the entire trade deal struck last December if the British government suspends the Northern Ireland Brexit protocol.

The Irish foreign minister, Simon Coveney, accused the UK of “deliberately forcing a breakdown” in negotiations over Northern Ireland, adding that there was still time to step back from the brink.

“The trade and cooperation agreement that was agreed between the British government and the EU was contingent on the implementation of the withdrawal agreement, which includes the protocol.

“One is contingent on the other, and so if one has been set aside, there is a danger that the other will also be set aside by the EU,” he told RTE on Sunday.

His comments confirm speculation that the EU will not dwell on its options if the UK triggers article 16 of the Northern Ireland protocol, but will instead deploy measures in the wider Brexit withdrawal agreement that allow cross-retaliation.

The EU would have to serve the UK with 12 months’ notice, but it would have a devastating impact on British business, industry leaders warned. Shane Brennan, head of the Cold Chain Federation, said businesses would be “sacrificed” with “a near prohibition on UK food exports”.

Coveney’s comments come amid heightened expectation that article 16 will be triggered by the UK after the Cop26 climate crisis summit in Glasgow ends on Friday.

The Sunday Telegraph reported that the UK has begun work on a post-article-16 scenario, with plans to pull funds from the Horizon Europe research programme and go it alone with alternatives.

Coveney said there was still time for the UK to pull back from the brink, but that the EU felt that every time it offered an olive branch to the UK, the response of the British was to harden its position and “constantly raise new problems”. “You have to ask yourself the question, ‘Why are they doing that if they’re acting in good faith?’”

Ireland’s European commissioner, Mairead McGuinness, said on Sunday that suspending the trade deal would be “very severe and something the EU would want to prevent”. However, she said patience with the UK was wearing thin.

“Europe cannot stand by if article 16 is triggered [and ask], ‘What next? What does this mean?’ All of the work we’ve done as a commission is to try and solve problems, not to create them. But we have to be very firm as well,” she said. “If Lord Frost is entering the room with article 16 in his pocket, not willing to actually negotiate, we have to ask ourselves, ‘Do we continue on that basis?’”

The row is also fuelling fears that a collapse in talks will result in pressure on the Dublin government to impose customs and standards checks on the island of Ireland. McGuinness gave assurances that the EU would not make such a demand. “There will be no border on the island,” she said. “There’s a huge sensitivity around this.”

Talks between the EU and the UK enter their fourth week this week, with the Brexit minister, David Frost, to meet his counterpart, Maroš Šefčovič, on Friday.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/07/eu-could-shelve-brexit-trade-deal-if-uk-triggers-article-16-irish-minister-warns

It's all just talk (posturing) at the moment, prik/strig/mike.

But yes, if the UK were to suspend the NI protocol then imo it leaves the EU with little choice.

And the reasons why individual countries align into far more powerful blocs have been explained before.

So the EU will be privately thinking 'Bring it on'.

Notice how not one BREXITer has come up with a single thing that BREXIT has improved? There's a reason for that. Here's how it's affected illegal immigration via the English Channel...



Brexit has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees say

Refugees living in northern France say Brexit has made it easier for them to reach the UK in small boats, as it emerged that record numbers of people crossed the Channel in one day.


Despite the worsening weather conditions and the UK government’s attempts to deter them, 1,185 people made the crossing on Thursday, according to the Home Office.


Refugees who have fled a variety of conflict zones including Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq and Eritrea told the Guardian they believed the fact the UK was no longer part of the EU made it more appealing to risk the dangerous crossings because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries under EU legislation.


In October 2020 Boris Johnson said Brexit would enable Britain to take back “full control of our money, our borders and our laws”.


Nevertheless, while the overall number of people fleeing conflict and claiming asylum in the UK has fallen to 31,115 in the last 12 months, the number crossing from France to the UK in small boats has risen sharply since the UK parted company from the EU.


Previously, when the UK was part of the EU, under a mechanism known as Dublin the UK could ask other EU countries to take back people they could prove had passed through safe European countries before reaching the UK.


The UK could make “take charge” requests and officials were often able to prove that asylum seekers had passed through other countries thanks to the Eurodac fingerprint database. But since Brexit the UK no longer has access to that database, so it is harder to prove definitively which other European countries small boat arrivals to the UK have previously passed through.


The UK has not so far struck any bilateral agreements with other EU countries to enable it to replicate the Dublin arrangement. Instead officials have labelled many claims where they suspect people have passed through other European countries before reaching the UK as “inadmissible”.


In practice this means many asylum seekers are languishing in the system for extended periods but are not being sent to other countries.


Even before the UK left the EU, only a few hundred people were sent to other European countries in 2020.


The Guardian recently interviewed dozens of asylum seekers in northern France. Many were malnourished, bedraggled and in a desperate state and had fled a variety of conflict zones. Some had travelled through Libya where they had been detained and trafficked.


One 19-year-old man from Sudan who is currently in Calais said: “We believe we will not be safe unless we can reach the UK. Here the French police beat us and evict us every day from the places where we are sleeping outside. It brings back bad memories from Libya where I was locked up and beaten many times by traffickers. Because of Brexit I believe that once I reach the UK I will be safe at last. No Dublin, no fingerprints any more.”


He said he had no money to pay smugglers and would try to find a way to cross with a small group of friends in an abandoned kayak. “Every night we go to the beach to look for small boats that have been abandoned and we will try to cross that way.”


One Kurdish man who gave his name as Navid, and is sleeping in a tent in Dunkirk, said his family had made an arrangement with smugglers to pay for him to cross in a small boat.


“Everyone here is saying to me that because of Brexit it is much easier to find safety in the UK,” he said. “I hope I will manage to cross without losing my life and find a safe future in the UK.”


A Home Office spokesperson said:“The British public have had enough of seeing people die in the Channel while ruthless criminal gangs profit from their misery and our new plan for immigration will fix the broken system which encourages migrants to make this lethal journey. People should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach – rather than making dangerous journeys to the UK. That is why we will have rules in place to make asylum claims inadmissible where people have travelled through or have a connection to safe countries.


“There is a global and European migration crisis and countries have a moral responsibility to tackle the issue of illegal migration. We expect our international partners to engage with us to stop people making perilous crossings.”


Brexit has made it easier for small boat crossings to reach UK, refugees say | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian

Originally Posted by cyrille

A Home Office spokesperson said:“The British public have had enough of seeing people die in the Channel .... People should claim asylum in the first safe country they reach – rather than making dangerous journeys to the UK.

“There is a global and European migration crisis and countries have a moral responsibility to tackle the issue of illegal migration. We expect our international partners to engage with us to stop people making perilous crossings.”

Sucks not to be part of a unified group of nations . . .

Originally Posted by cyrille

because they could no longer be sent back to other European countries under EU legislation.

As above

Originally Posted by cyrille

with a single thing that BREXIT has improved?

Jobs are in abundance and wages have increased

Hardly surprising with 150,000 deaths from covid...

...and 200,000 EU citizens leaving.

Plenty of poultry jobs, abattoir jobs and hgv jobs ...

Originally Posted by panama hat

Is this similar to chico getting all bent out of shape about my pool that he blurted out the fact that he has friends who have stayed in hotels with pools . . . ?

Perhaps you'd like to inform us what's your neighbours pool got to do with Brexit

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Jobs are in abundance and wages have increased

Ye for sure, and ferking prices have gone up as well

Originally Posted by Chico

Perhaps you'd like to inform us what's your neighbours pool got to do with Brexit

You tell me, halfwit, you keep bringing it up . . . brain decay - it's incurable.

Originally Posted by Joe 90

Jobs are in abundance and wages have increased

Originally Posted by Troy

Hardly surprising with 150,000 deaths from covid...

...and 200,000 EU citizens leaving.

Plenty of poultry jobs, abattoir jobs and hgv jobs ...

Yup . . . and now trying to recruit labour to come back but few takers, no surprise. That's success?

Shell have done the honourable thing and also left the EU, There coming home.

Originally Posted by panama hat

You tell me, halfwit, you keep bringing it up . . . brain decay - it's incurable.





Yup . . . and now trying to recruit labour to come back but few takers, no surprise. That's success?

what Does not having a pool have anything to do with Brexit, the Mutt has the triggered syndrome.

Originally Posted by Chico

Shell have done the honourable thing and also left the EU, There coming home.

Wtf are you on about?

Originally Posted by panama hat

Wtf are you on about?

Just type into google "Shell" and you will be informed.

best not to come onto threads you know nothing about.

Originally Posted by panama hat

There coming home.

Stupid is as stupid does. 90% of posts contain a grammatical or punctuation error. Stop trying to come off as anything but a low class uneducated creep..

Ye well said Vagina PH does seems to be a bit of an hindrance to his own development

I have been waiting for the UK to start the process of sorting out some of the ridiculous fishing practices endemic under the EU Common Fishing Disaster. Well the EU, true to form are reluctant to adopt sustainable practices if it affects their trade, happy to dictate to others however.


Denmark accuses UK of breaking Brexit fishing deal over trawling ban

Exclusive: Danish minister says proposal to ban bottom trawling in Dogger Bank ‘a very big problem’

Denmark has accused the UK of breaching the post-Brexit fisheries deal over plans to ban destructive bottom trawling in a North Sea conservation zone.

The UK announced in February that it wanted to ban bottom trawling at the Dogger Bank conservation zone in the North Sea, a move hailed by environmentalists hopeful of seeing a resurgence of halibut, sharks and skate in the once marine life rich sandbank.

In an interview with the Guardian, Denmark’s fisheries minister, Rasmus Prehn, said such plans were not in line with the post-Brexit deal.

“The Brexit agreement ensures full access [for EU vessels] to fish in UK waters until 2026. And therefore, of course, it is a very big problem for us if the British government is going to change that. We find that unacceptable and it’s a breach of our agreement,” he said.

The charge opens a new front for the UK government, which is already embroiled in a rancorous dispute with France over fishing rights, against a wider backdrop of post-Brexit tensions with the EU.

Dogger Bank, a large shallow sandbank about 90 miles north-east of the Humber estuary, has been fished by Danish boats for centuries and is among the country’s most important fishing grounds, according to the Danish government.

Under the Brexit trade and cooperation agreement struck between the EU and the UK last Christmas Eve, EU fishers can continue to access UK waters as before until 30 June 2026, a transition to delay the blow of reduced fishing rights in future.

The deal also commits both sides to “promoting the long-term sustainability” of the 70 common fish in the shared waters.

Prehn said Danish fishers “are already in a very difficult situation due to Brexit so this would be even more difficult for them and we can’t really accept that”.

While he said it was premature to discuss potential retaliation, he revealed his disappointment over how relations between the UK and Denmark had deteriorated since Brexit.

“It’s really difficult to make an agreement and just one year after we have these problems with one part; that is not really acceptable, that is not how we usually make agreements. With the UK we used to have a very good relationship,” Prehn said.

He was speaking from Brussels as the UK and EU embark on the final sprint of negotiations to set catch limits for fishing in 2022, ahead of a 10 December deadline.

more https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/nov/17/denmark-accuses-uk-of-breaking-brexit-fishing-deal-over-trawling-ban

Not sure why all the problems with Fish the UK could export to Asian markets without any problems, I'd say they are looking at China as we speak

Entering a crucial period for the NI protocol. The EU is busy reassessing the overblown goods checks and a situation entirely of its own making. Still going to be difficult unless they eliminate the ECJ intervention.


Serious EU intent to fix Northern Ireland border row, says Irish PM

There is "serious intent" in the EU to solve post-Brexit difficulties over the Northern Ireland border, Irish Prime Minister Micheál Martin has said.

Speaking to the BBC, he said the "mood music" surrounding EU-UK negotiations had improved in recent weeks.

The Northern Ireland Protocol in the Brexit deal aims to avoid implementing border checks on the island of Ireland.

It keeps Northern Ireland in the EU's single market for goods and allows free-flowing trade with the EU.


But the protocol also creates a trade border between Northern Ireland and Great Britain, meaning some goods such as meat and eggs are subject to checks when they enter Northern Ireland from Great Britain.

This has angered some Northern Irish politicians, including DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson who said the protocol was disrupting businesses and harming trade.

In an interview with the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg, Mr Martin admitted feeling "frustrated" that the issue had hindered the "full flowering" of the two sides' alliance.

And he warned the UK against acting unilaterally, saying it would "undermine" relationships.

The Taoiseach's comments come ahead of a meeting between the UK's Brexit Minister Lord Frost and the EU Commission Vice-President Maros Šefčovič in Brussels on Friday aimed at resolving problems arising from the protocol.

Mr Martin insisted there was "not an abundance of checks" on the border and that Northern Ireland benefitted from having access to both the European and UK markets.

However, he added that the EU "sincerely" wanted to engage with the problems, which he said could be "resolved with goodwill on all sides".

Loyalist demonstrators protesting against the Northern Ireland protocol in Belfast earlier this year
He acknowledged that "there have been periods during these talks when they've dragged on with very little happening" but added that "now there's a bit of engagement, of serious intent".

Mr Martin said the protocol was "never going to be perfect", adding: "It's important that we don't allow perfect become the enemy of the good."

He also urged the prime minister to believe that Brussels' offer of compromise was genuine and urged him not to take too long to move towards a deal saying "don't leave it to Christmas Eve this year" - a reference to last year's Brexit deal which was agreed on 24 December.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-59336580

Thread kinda dried out

Fish, Northern Ireland ?

If you feel alone; do give us a shout

^ not at all, once we've cast off the last shackles of that outmoded institution you've chosen to rule over you we'll move forward. Fish will become more relevant to you over there once you approach 2025. Northern Ireland Pfft, you have other border issues to worry about

Originally Posted by malmomike77

that outmoded institution

Agree

Originally Posted by malmomike77

you've chosen to rule

I have voted NO to each and every new treaty or such, coming from that direction

Just out of interest:

How many times have your precious Britain asked you for your opinion ?

Originally Posted by malmomike77

Fish will become more relevant to you over there

Just a glance at a globus and even a brit have to aknowledge that the Kingdom of Denmark has more territorial waters than Greater Britania incl The Malvinas

Originally Posted by malmomike77

you have other border issues to worry about

Fucking swedes

Originally Posted by helge

Greater Britania incl The Malvinas

Yes Greenland soon to leave your warm embrace, parting is such sweet sorry and all that