Thread: Brexit - It's Still On!

All a bit embarrassing really now. Fascist May still plugging away like Harry having lost his erection insisting he needs "a couple more minutes".

It looks like Mrs May is running out of time and she may well be advised that the requisite 48 letters have been received so that she will face a vote of confidence next Monday. This may happen before Prime Minister's questions scheduled for 12.00 tomorrow. No definitive links as yet as the journalists are afraid of reporting something which might not happen. This is because their reports will be shown for years to come and their future careers will depend on them getting this momentous news correct. Not quite a Woodward and Bernstein situation but very close to it.

I think that she is now a "dead duck".

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Fancy allowing everyday folks to have a say in their future. Far better to allow a distant group of federalists to line their pockets at everyone else's expense...

The Eu will obviously fail, in it's current form only civil wars and a growing gap between the rich and poor is possible - we've seen that building for years with troubles across Europe. Why would Britain wanna be part of that? There is no good deal to get - the ideologues of Brussels/Berlin cannot allow a successful deal to be struck, that was clear from the beginning, but they are desperate, their project is failing, they have been bankrupt for years, none more so than Germany's central bank who have several trillion in loans to the EU that can never be repaid (there simply is no mechanism or funds to pay the money back - Target2 is hilariously corrupt...).

No deal and leave. Then watch the German banking crisis develop while The City of London grows ever stronger... If the Yermins ask nicely then we may lend them some money at extortionate rates, real money, not the made up kind that underpins Target2.

Yes we'll..

Fancy letting the everyday guy decide how much tax he should pay or allowing him to decide how many pounds should be printed this week. When it comes to a highly civilized environment certain payments are required however much they are disliked. Definitely not for average Joe to decide.

The benefits of being in the EU have been taken for granted for so long that they will only be realised by many when they are lost and that's too late.

The majority in the commons do not want to leave the EU, let alone Hard Brexit so time to realise that and forget this silly folly.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Seeking Ass never supported Maybot from Day 1, you febrile pensioner

...... and another massive whoosh from the typically spineless Frenchman.
I really shouldn’t judge you for failing to understand the subtleties of your second language. My schoolboy French really is appalling.

Originally Posted by Troy

The majority in the commons do not want to leave the EU, let alone Hard Brexit so time to realise that and forget this silly folly.

So you think the MPs should go against the will of the people as expressed in the referendum? You really have lost the plot, Troy.

Too many people think that globalization is a good thing. Look at the problems being caused in the African continent. Unrest and a reversal of apartheid in the south. Islamic insurgence in Nigeria, and the Chinese buying into fledgling nations desperate for infrastructure.
The north of the continent seems desperate now with mass migration towards Europe for a better more stable lifestyle. Unchecked mass diaspora allows in lost souls and terrorists alike. They have no desire to assimilate. They just want the promised land.

How can individual nations protect their sovereignty under the federal European flag, especially when a commission decides what the collective response should be?

No, it’s gone too far. Look west to the USA if you want an example of federal weaknesses. Is that really the kind of federal fuck up you want to be part of. The UK is a secular society with checks and balances in place, and although it’s a little over regulated for me personally, and it’s not perfect, at least there is a better political system than most nations have in place today.

Its perfectly ok to join with others where common ground exists, and to enter individual treaty’s and friendships with like minded countries. To be subsumed in an unbalanced and poorly regulated conglomerate is good for no one.

All this crap about civil war- the only folks who really seem to want it area bunch of unemployable Brexiteeering WALTS. Why anybody would actually want civil war is truly mind boggling.

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

All this crap about civil war- the only folks who really seem to want it area bunch of unemployable Brexiteeering WALTS. Why anybody would actually want civil war is truly mind boggling.

The French seem to love the idea. A civil war means they can run away from each other instead of the Germans.

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

All this crap about civil war- the only folks who really seem to want it area bunch of unemployable Brexiteeering WALTS. Why anybody would actually want civil war is truly mind boggling.

Nobody want it, per se, but are driven to it by poverty, social injustice, abuse, etc. Throughout history, widening wealth gaps driven by 'elite' ideologues have caused civil unrest and many many wars. Often, civil unrest and protests gain momentum then a spark ignites them and everything goes out of control - we are not talking about premeditated civil war, we are talking about the conditions that facilitate a position where a spark can ignite the populous.

With a seemingly divided country and a weakened parliament going the same way, conditions do seem ripe for it.

No one truly wants civil war, but with th nation at each other’s throats, and parliament like a headless chicken, it could easily turn nasty. I hope for non violent civil disobedience, but just make sure that both sides of parliament realise they are to blame.
No repeat of the poll tax riots please.

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

All this crap about civil war- the only folks who really seem to want it area bunch of unemployable Brexiteeering WALTS. Why anybody would actually want civil war is truly mind boggling.

I've never heard or read anyone British say they want civil war. Do you have a link for your claim?

Originally Posted by Troy

If the Maybot was intentionally trying to stay in the EU then she would have allowed today's vote to go ahead. A rejection of her agreement would mean a choice between hard Brexit and no Brexit with the latter winning by a large commons majority. It is for this reason she cancelled the vote, trying to get backing for some kind of Brexit to align with the referendum.

The referendum was an unwise decision that will haunt the Tories for years to come

Could be but not sure. Her deal does not leave us free and independent but effectively keeps us joined at the hip to and under the thumb of the EU. More likely, and everything is just a guess, as a remainer she intended from the start to sabotage negotiations against a proper divorce, but in doing so she made a series of catastrophic strategic errors, one of which was to underestimate feelings about her negotiating from weakness and allowing it to fall into shambles.

Anything can happen, and Ref2 is becoming increasingly live; just need to get the options right, and if May is still PM it might well be no deal or remain, knowing that only a handful of extremists want a no deal. She is either real dumb or real smart.

All that aside, the gov no longer is running the country and as things stand it's difficult to see any positives over the next few years. I go with the bookies for Ref2, which would kick off a new round of legal, political and social/civil turmoil, but odds shortened to 1/1 from yesterday's 6/5 and 10/1 2 months ago.

And on another point that seems to trigger one particular poster, I believe more than ever that Labour would increase their chances of bringing on and winning a general election if they were to replace Corbyn with an electable leader.

Originally Posted by Mandaloopy

All this crap about civil war- the only folks who really seem to want it area bunch of unemployable Brexiteeering WALTS. Why anybody would actually want civil war is truly mind boggling.

WHAT - talk of civil war in Europe? Could that happen?

Don't tell squirrel!

Originally Posted by Switch

The French seem to love the idea. A civil war means they can run away from each other instead of the Germans.

Only a few nutters ever want one, though they do tend to happen from time to time when people feel they are taken for granted.

Do you hear the people sing,
singing the song of angry men,
it's the music of a people that will not be slaves again;
when the beating of your heart
echos the beating of the drums
there will be a life for you when tomorrow comes...

That particular effort didn't pan out, but it did lead to a successful revolution and recognition of the people.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Nobody want it, per se, but are driven to it by poverty, social injustice, abuse, etc. Throughout history, widening wealth gaps driven by 'elite' ideologues have caused civil unrest and many many wars. Often, civil unrest and protests gain momentum then a spark ignites them and everything goes out of control - we are not talking about premeditated civil war, we are talking about the conditions that facilitate a position where a spark can ignite the populous.

jesus christ, you are all a bunch of loons

Originally Posted by Switch

The French seem to love the idea. A civil war means they can run away from each other instead of the Germans.

when did you Brits really had a revolution? oh wait, you never did, you Royal pawns

at least we had one and had the courage to cut our leader heads,

you fuckers are sheep, fighting between yourself for crumbs, and yet keep being pawns without any new ideas

and you almost unconditionally surrendered to the Nazis with the help of your Royal class

Tory Brexiteers are increasingly confident they have enough support to trigger a no-confidence vote in Theresa May as party leader.

If 48 Conservative MPs submit letters to say they no longer support her, a leadership challenge will be launched.

There is no confirmation but sources, including a cabinet minister, have said they believe 48 letters have been sent.

The BBC has also been told the senior backbencher who receives the letters has asked to see the PM on Wednesday.

However Sir Graham Brady, who chairs the backbench 1922 committee, would make no comment.

Downing Street sources are playing down an imminent move and say they have had no contact from him.

There will be no referendum 2, that is a fantasy.

This is democratic Britain!

No deal and hard Brexit all the way.

Just get onit May

Analysis: It feels different this time

The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg

I know, I know, I know. We have been here before, and on more than one occasion.

But senior Eurosceptics are more sure than ever that they have enough support to trigger a vote of no confidence in the prime minister. That doesn't mean it is bound to happen.

The last time they said so, and said so pretty publicly, their confidence was a mirage and the numbers did not emerge.

It became evident to ardent Brexiteers that their communications between each other were not all genuine, and painfully so. Those who had told colleagues that they had submitted the letters, patently had not done so.

What feels different tonight is that those who take this all extremely seriously, who had their hopes dashed the last time, are suggesting privately - not necessarily with glee - that they might have done it this time, and crucially if the list isn't long enough tonight, they have more MPs ready to join the calls.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

There will be no referendum 2, that is a fantasy.

This is democratic Britain!

No deal and hard Brexit all the way.

Just get onit May

that doesn't sound very democratic, above all when your leaders have been lying all along about the process and the real reasons for leaving

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

No deal and hard Brexit all the way.

I'm with you. 2 years wasted.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

when did you Brits really had a revolution? oh wait, you never did, you Royal pawns

at least we had one and had the courage to cut our leader heads,

In Belgium?