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    Stayed up beyond my usual bed time to watch the parliament show last night. Was worth it. High entertainment.

    There is no plan B and EU says they are done negotiating.

    Question for our fine Brit members. What happens if parliament does not pass it?

    Pass or not this thread has only just started.
    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

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    There never was any plan for Brexit not least because no one in their right mind ever thought that a majority would support what is nothing more than the manifestation of a political group denoted for being rhino-skinned, antediluvian, bigoted old farts and demented Empire fantasists who couldn't reconcile the reality that Britain had become a pile of shit.

    There is no solution to this insanity other than to abandon it. But the problem is, many Tory and Labour politicians have hitched their shabby carcasses to the ramshackle jalopy of ignorant populism and have nowhere to go except the political oblivion that surely awaits them and naturally they will cling in their increasing desperation to any passing wreckage that might float by them in the hope salvation comes. Expect more waffle about a Canada/Eskimo Super Duper plan to the power of 42, Norway/EEA/EFTA/Anglo-Ankara/Pixie agreement with a cherry on top or Trump/Fried Chicken/Septic Cock Sucking Accord etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    There never was any plan for Brexit .... Trump/Fried Chicken/Septic Cock Sucking Accord etc, etc.
    and it goes on, and on.........wet patch again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seekingasylum View Post
    There is no solution to this insanity other than to abandon it
    Abandon it being to ignore the referendum results and inform the EU just joking? Changed our minds. We do not want to leave the EU.

    All seems a march of folly as defined by Barbara Tuchman. "Pursuit of Policy Contrary to Self-Interest."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Tory backbencher Mark Francois
    Is he French or Belgian?

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    We are still in the procedural stage. Jai yen yen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    We are still in the procedural stage. Jai yen yen.
    11 December is near.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Abandon it being to ignore the referendum results and inform the EU just joking? Changed our minds. We do not want to leave the EU.All seems a march of folly as defined by Barbara Tuchman. "Pursuit of Policy Contrary to Self-Interest."
    Then we can be just like the other countries that voted to leave and weren't allowed... Of course the corrupt and insane EU would make it as difficult as possible - that's what they do and have always done.Our route is clear and mandated in law: no agreement means Goodbye, Cheerio, See You Later - No Money for the EU from Us.
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    I'm starting to believe the best deal May got was intended to be unacceptable. The follow up could be an election or leadership change, each leading to a different set of negative consequences; even a second bite at the maggot riddled cherry would be expensive, humiliating and a complete surrender to the gods.

    The bit that doesn't fit is May sacrificing her ego, position and historical record to knobble Brexit, though it would make sense if she ends up with generous access to the EU trough.

    Btw 'no deal is better than a bad deal' is an ambiguous state of mind!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Then we can be just like the other countries that voted to leave and weren't allowed... Of course the corrupt and insane EU would make it as difficult as possible - that's what they do and have always done.Our route is clear and mandated in law: no agreement means Goodbye, Cheerio, See You Later - No Money for the EU from Us.
    Not quite; May has said that even in the case of no deal, which legal 'experts' claim would leave us with no financial obligations, as a goodwill gesture we would still pay part of the grossly inflated divorce bill.

    And as you say they would initiate the equivalent of a work to rule, effectively laying siege to us, though her current deal has them pulling the strings anyway.

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    Odds makers have 53% chance UK will leave EU on 29 March.

    https://betting.betfair.com/politics...51118-204.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    though it would make sense if she ends up with generous access to the EU trough.
    SOP for ex political leaders of all colours and nationalities.

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    2:05 - at a WW1 ceremony...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Then we can be just like the other countries that voted to leave and weren't allowed... Of course the corrupt and insane EU would make it as difficult as possible - that's what they do and have always done.Our route is clear and mandated in law: no agreement means Goodbye, Cheerio, See You Later - No Money for the EU from Us.
    2 years wasted. They should have fooked them off straight after the referendum.

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    As the Greek economist/politician fella said right at the start, the process was insane and loaded. The process should have been from day 1: we are leaving, we'll discuss deals now with the EU and the rest of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    2:05 - at a WW1 ceremony...


    Simple fact is that the EU Military has already been created and the Uk military is about 70-80% within it, and nearly impossible to remove from it. The part that the soviet style EU did very well was taking control of the supply chain for the military and centralising it (hence a lot of German kit now). Any military spokesperson even on RT who claims it is not so is simply ignorant of lying. Another significant part of it is the amount of non UK military based in the UK - it's easier to tell Slovak and Romanian squaddies to open fire on Brits after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Is he French or Belgian?
    Nev, I've had dealings with him when he was Min Armed Forces, greasy bloke - definitely got some Frenchie in him somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    As the Greek economist/politician fella said right at the start, the process was insane and loaded. The process should have been from day 1: we are leaving, we'll discuss deals now with the EU and the rest of the world.
    In negotiating terms - This

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    The first couple of minutes of this video sum it up - and he was right.


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    mays deal is both reasonable and acceptable, she was handed a poisoned chalice and remarkably has not yet been poisoned. the deal is a compromise for an exit next year and a plan to commence negotiations regarding a new trading relationship with the eu after that.

    the uk is the worlds 4th or 5th largest economy and the eu can ill afford to cast us off as an irrelevance.

    this deal is but the first step in extricating the uk from the malignant clutches of the eu, after 40+ years of assimilation, the separation was never going to be quick or easy, but this deal can open the exit door, a door that can be prised wider and wider over the next few years as new agreements and treaties come into force and the eu fracture lines widen thanks to economic mismanagement, immigration problems and a failure to understand putins plans.

    its a long game, and may is a master of the long game.

    if only her stupid backbenchers could see it.

    corbyn and his extremist followers have no interest in either the country or its workforce, they are more concerned with promoting hezbolla, allah and cross dressing vegans, and they would happily see the country bankrupted in order to take the keys of no.10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NamPikToot View Post
    Yeah Gaz, with jimmy cranky running the show eh.

    The field was already known, just taken time to develop the technology to recover it safely
    Nicola Sturgeon is one of the most astute able politicians Britain has. Its sheer ignorance to try and dismiss her because you don't like her appearance. There was no mention of Clair Ridge in the run up to the referendum even although its now been revealed that David Cameron was told about it. They decided to take the project fear route and tell us that the oil was finished in the north sea. Massive oil finds in the Shetlands were conveniently kept quiet.

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    Nicola Sturgeon is one of the most astute able politicians Britain has.
    she's an argumentative power hungry troublemaker, just like salmond.

    she has mismanaged the economy. without the english to prop you up, you would be finished. and the oil price is still tumbling. what else you got? kippers and irn bru?

    fxcking jocks.

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    Another reason not to go with May's deal - you're basically enabling all the 26ish EU countries to take bites out of you. It's out in March with no deal because you cannot be held to ransom by 26 untrusted 'partners'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottish Gary View Post
    Massive oil finds in the Shetlands were conveniently kept quiet.
    But yous can't wake up to the fact the Shetlands DOES NOT want to be in the EU or in an independent Scotland. So either way kiss the oil goodbye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    mays deal is both reasonable and acceptable, she was handed a poisoned chalice and remarkably has not yet been poisoned. the deal is a compromise for an exit next year and a plan to commence negotiations regarding a new trading relationship with the eu after that.

    the uk is the worlds 4th or 5th largest economy and the eu can ill afford to cast us off as an irrelevance.

    this deal is but the first step in extricating the uk from the malignant clutches of the eu, after 40+ years of assimilation, the separation was never going to be quick or easy, and this deal can open the exit door, a door that can be prised wider and wider over the next few years as new agreements and treaties come into force and the eu fracture lines widen thanks to economic mismanagement, immigration problems and a failure to understand putins plans.

    its a long game, and may is a master of the long game.

    if only her stupid backbenchers could see it.

    corbyn and his extremist followers have no interest in either the country or its workforce, they are more concerned with promoting hezbolla, allah and cross dressing vegans, and they would happily see the country bankrupted in order to take the keys of no.10.
    Everything you say is true or at least arguable, but only IF the EU had form for being reasonable and amenable to the second largest net contributor leaving the nest on good terms.

    Unfortunately from what we've seen since B-Day they hold an inflexible position, and their favoured deterrent for future rebels is to demonstrate it is virtually impossible to conduct negotiations with expectations of ending up with a fair deal. They are powerful, and not above pushing their weight around to get what they want, and they want us in, and the 'deal' appears to keep us attached for as long as they wish.

    In regard to her draft agreement she's either extraordinarily devious or extraordinarily stupid; you chose, because we're all in much the same boat having not read and understood the finest details, so we latch onto our own 'expert' versions and snippets and go with that.

    Meanwhile, Denmark, Ireland, the Netherlands and France have all in their day had their popular votes rejected, ignored or circumvented. Now Brexit needs to be addressed, and it will be, either by laying siege to the island though regulatory means or economic crippling, but it must be done and so it shall be; and one way is to send May back with such a bad deal that it must be rejected and the resulting turmoil forces it back to the people. But this would mean May is complicit, the first duplicitous Brit PM.

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