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    Now this! There goes Manafort's bail agreement. What a fool.

    Prosecutors: Manafort tried to write op-ed with Russian operative while under house arrest

    Paul Manafort and a long-time Russia-based colleague with ties to Russian intelligence were caught last week ghost-writing an op-ed about his work in Ukraine, federal prosecutors working for special Russia counsel Robert Mueller said in a Monday court filing.


    Mueller’s office argued that by working on the article, which was never published, Manafort violated a gag order imposed on his case.

    President Donald Trump’s former campaign chairman has pleaded not guilty to multiple charges including fraud and money laundering.


    Prosecutors said the unauthorized move was a breach of trust that leads them to oppose an $11 million bail agreement that it had previously reached with Manafort.


    “Even if the ghostwritten op-ed were entirely accurate, fair, and balanced, it would be a violation of this Court’s November 8 Order if it had been published,” Andrew Weissmann, the lead prosecutor on the Manafort case, wrote in a four-page memo submitted to the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.


    “The editorial clearly was undertaken to influence the public’s opinion of defendant Manafort, or else there would be no reason to seek its publication (much less for Manafort and his long-time associate to ghostwrite it in another’s name). It compounds the problem that the proposed piece is not a dispassionate recitation of the facts,” Weissmann added.


    Mueller’s office said it learned late last week about the draft Manafort op-ed, which was being ghostwritten in English as late as Nov. 30 with a “long-time Russian colleague of Manafort’s, who is currently based in Russia and assessed to have ties to a Russian intelligence service.”


    The special counsel’s office said it alerted defense lawyers “and were assured that steps would be taken to make sure it was no longer going to be published.” In a separate motion, Mueller asked to submit evidence about the draft op-ed under seal that keeps it from becoming public, and the court quickly granted the request.


    Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni declined comment on the allegations in Mueller’s brief to the court. Manafort’s attorneys did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


    In a brief last week, Manafort’s defense attorneys revealed “an agreed-upon bail package” that involved the pledging of four properties: Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, condominium where he’s been under home detention; his Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, home; a condo in Manhattan; and another property in Bridgehampton, New York. They said the properties are worth more than $11 million, after existing mortgages are deducted.


    Mueller’s office, which had asked the court for a delay until Monday to weigh in on the bail agreement, said it now opposes it.


    “Because Manafort has now taken actions that reflect an intention to violate or circumvent the Court’s existing Orders, at a time one would expect particularly scrupulous adherence, the government submits that the proposed bail package is insufficient reasonably to assure his appearance as required,” Weissmann wrote.


    Even without the new information about the op-ed, Mueller’s office said it had planned to seek changes to the bail package because it does not provide a guarantee from someone who is a close family member. It also doesn’t require GPS monitoring or a fully secured bond for unencumbered real estate. And the Bridgehampton property, the largest of Manafort’s assets in the proposed bail package, “is already subject to forfeiture in the indictment” and there’s a pending legal action already filed against it.


    The Manafort bail package needs to be approved by U.S. District Court Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who issued the gag order in early November limiting comments to the media and public from lawyers, defendants and witnesses in the case.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...rs-oped-278786

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    so, if the laws are stretched to investigate hillary (emails, clinton foundation), etc.

    or the obama admin (unmasking trump campaign officials so they can be spied on by the us government).

    fair game?
    What are you talking about 'unmasking Trump campaign officials'?
    the spooks in america are allowed to spy in america (on foreigners like russian diplomats). though, if they pick up americans talking to the russians, those americans' names are blocked out (masked) in reports.

    if an administration wants to see those names, they need to make a request to unmask those names,

    which is apparently what susan rice (obama's national security advisor) and samantha power (obama's un ambassador) did after they got the "dodgy dossier" and were curious to see who in the trump campaign were talking to russians.

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    Why do you have a problem with that?
    They want to know who's collaborating with the Russians.
    Don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cujo View Post
    Why do you have a problem with that?
    They want to know who's collaborating with the Russians.
    Don't you?
    i can see your point and if the whole thing hadn't become a circus, i would agree.

    though, the whole thing has become political and both sides are cheering like its their local high school football team

    team 1: the trump campaign conspired with the russians to defeat hillary and if "we" can get them on anything, even obstruction or lying, that will be a great victory for "us" (bsnub, harry, ray, csffan, uncle junior)

    team 2: the obama admin thought hillary was going to win (for sure) and after getting the dodgy dossier (financed by the hillary campaign) thought it would be fine to spy on the trump campaign (no one would ever find out).

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    ^Aren’t your two teams on the same side?

    I think you are much too late with this arguement. The circus has exploded and the clowns are exposed. The former National Security Advisor has pleaded guilty to lying to the Feds about his Russian contacts. He was given directions to contact them by at least two senior officials on Trump’s transition team. This means that they have lied also.

    This is just the information about the investigation in the public realm now. We still don’t know what other charges there will be or who those charges will be against.

    There was collusion with the Russians to sabotage the outgoing administrations initiatives and you think not possible they would collude to sabotage Clinton’s presidential bid?

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    So Paul Manafort is an idiot......whoodathunk

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    There was collusion with the Russians to sabotage the outgoing administrations initiatives and you think not possible they would collude to sabotage Clinton’s presidential bid?
    After so long investigation - and so much money spent - it would be a shame if they have not found something...

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    ^hard to see the forest with all those trees in the way....innit

    What do you think those indictments and plea bargains are about?

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    joy behar celebrating a touchdown by her team (unfortunately, the refs threw a flag on the play):


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    ^ Why would we be interested in what those women cackle about on The View?

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ Why would we be interested in what those women cackle about on The View?
    it's related to this point i made:

    Quote Originally Posted by Farangrakthai View Post
    though, the whole thing has become political and both sides are cheering like its their local high school football team

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    FRT - The "unmasking" thing isn't even an issue anymore, it was perfectly legal and more importantly, justifiable. Even trump doesn't harp on that anymore, probably because he understands now the need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    ^ Why would we be interested in what those women cackle about on The View?
    My first reaction was to cackle as well to await the coming tweet shitfest, to be honest. I knew trump was just too frigging stupid NOT to tweet about it. If I was trump's lawyer, I'd have warned him to never use the names of anyone that's been charged with a crime.

    What does trump do? He tells everyone that flynn is a good person and his life is ruined now and ask why isn't Hillary's life ruined, too.

    That's the mindset of the president. He's defending someone charged with lying to the FBI while still taking shots at the person he defeated in an election over a year ago.
    "I was a good student. I comprehend very well, OK, better than I think almost anybody," - President Trump comparing his legal knowledge to a Federal judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    ^hard to see the forest with all those trees in the way....innit

    What do you think those indictments and plea bargains are about?
    Trying to associate Klondyke and thinking.... good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    A crime was committed you clueless fucker. Someone hacked a DNC server.

    That's what started the FBI investigation.
    it's not a crime when the POTUS does it,

    get with the program will you, you filthy indian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    it's not a crime when the POTUS does it,

    get with the program will you, you filthy indian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    it's not a crime when the POTUS does it,

    get with the program will you, you filthy indian

    Well Buttplug, since orange cunto probably has about the same level of computer literacy as you, I think we can safely rule out it being him.

    Covfefe!


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    Quote Originally Posted by misskit View Post
    Now K.T. McFarland will have to cut a deal like Flynn.
    since it's in the press and the general public knows about it, then i'd guess she's already talking to mueller.

    and maybe she's been recording her phone calls back to washington from singapore.

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    + = trump's reaction when he finds out about this:


    FRANKFURT (Reuters) - Special Counsel Robert Mueller has asked Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE) to share data on accounts held by U.S. President Donald Trump and his family, a person close to the matter said on Tuesday.

    Germany’s largest bank received a subpoena from Mueller several weeks ago to provide information on certain money and credit transactions, the person added, confirming a report by German daily Handelsblatt published on Tuesday.

    Deutsche Bank, which has loaned the Trump organization millions of dollars for real estate ventures, said it would not comment on any of its clients.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1DZ0XN


    there has been speculation that trump would try to fire mueller if he started investigating finances.

    well, it was inevitable, and here we are.


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    nice slicing Ray

    Anyway - trump was Kissingers man. So was Clinton. Kissinger is a deutsches verteidigungs dienst agent. They don't like the Russians. Kissinger never made a mistake. So trump most certainly did not collude with the russians any more than Kissinger would let him.

    You can close the thread now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    nice slicing Ray

    Anyway - trump was Kissingers man. So was Clinton. Kissinger is a deutsches verteidigungs dienst agent. They don't like the Russians. Kissinger never made a mistake. So trump most certainly did not collude with the russians any more than Kissinger would let him.

    You can close the thread now.
    Does anyone know what drugs this fucker is on?


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    Quote Originally Posted by raycarey View Post
    there has been speculation that trump would try to fire mueller if he started investigating finances.
    he should fire his ass, and nothing will happen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    he should fire his ass, and nothing will happen
    I really, really want him to.

    That would be so much fucking fun.

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    Can't wait for the twitterstorm.

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    big uproar and then they will all rollover like the cowards that they are

    Vive le Trump

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