Thread: President Donald Trump

Originally Posted by mark45y

I'd say maybe 10 million on either side actually care about anything that you have listed above.

Once again proving you know fuck all about whats going on in your own country. When was the last time you have even been here?

Originally Posted by mark45y

People care about their own economic situation. People care about their own/family safety/healthcare. That's all.

Of course they care about that but to claim that that is all the care about shows just how detached from reality you are. Clearly you live in a bubble.

Originally Posted by mark45y

Don't be to hard on the people who voted for Trump. They really don't care about the stuff you mentioned above nor do most of the people who voted for Mrs. Clinton.

See above comment. You like to act like you are speaking for all of America when you have no idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by mark45y

You got the same amount of bad folks on either side. One side has racists, fascists and the other side has anarchists who want the country to support them.

What crock of shit and you are just parroting the presidents comments made after he attempted to draw false equivalence between Nazi's and those protesting them. Disgusting.

Originally Posted by mark45y

Try looking for things that unite us instead of divide us.

You can start by not parroting Trumps talking points.

I just read a small news byline, tested it out, and it's true.
Type "idiot" into google and select "images", Trump's face is what comes up first, 2nd, 3rd, 4th.....

Originally Posted by bsnub

Anyone especially after today that thinks that is a full stop idiot.



As an American I can say that you have no idea what you are blathering on about.

OK,,,so who do you think would've been better,,, mention their names,,,this will be interesting,,bet you dont answer,,

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Fuckwit's at it again.



http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-...imports-2018-7

Team Trump are determined to create a catastrophe one way or another so they can push through privatisation, welfare cuts and more militarisation of the police, and wreak havoc on the environment.

The only thing that can stop Trump is the American public.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Congratulations on the 2 extra beans in your pot at the end of the month! I hope it won't get used up too quickly on the higher prices you will be paying on consumer goods manufactured in China due to the trade war. Maybe you can use what's left to buy some terrific new derivatives from of the unregulated investment houses? Not a bad trade off now that you have put a con man in office who has filled his cabinet up with corrupt grifters and sold the country and NATO out to Putin. Not to mention jobs in coal mines. Good job!

I try to buy things made in Thailand because I live in Thailand. I think the USA should get out of NATO and let them defend themselves. I think Republican and Democratic people should work together to get rid of the politicians and impose term limits. You want to kill me, insult me, start a fight. I want to talk to you. Find our common ground and change things for the better. I would have voted for anyone who was not part of the system. You are angry and confrontational. I'm calm and cooperative.

Originally Posted by Neo

Team Trump are determined to create a catastrophe one way or another so they can push through privatisation, welfare cuts and more militarisation of the police, and wreak havoc on the environment.

The only thing that can stop Trump is the American public.

America was privatized the last time I looked. Maybe you are confusing it with another country. What's wrong with welfare cuts? The police have guns, uniforms and bad leadership - seems pretty much like the military already unless you know something I don't.

Originally Posted by mark45y

You are angry and confrontational

Damn right. Playing nice with the right is what got us into this mess. It's time for the left to fight back hard using any and every means necessary.

CRUNCH TIME!

Will he release her or will he stand up to his new BFF.

Russia tells US to release alleged spy Maria Butina after 'fabricated charges'Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov addresses Butina’s detention in call with US secretary of state Mike Pompeo


Reuters in Moscow


Sat 21 Jul 2018 11.51 EDT


Russia’s foreign minister told his American counterpart on Saturday a woman arrested in the US on accusations she was a Russian agent was detained on “fabricated charges” and should be released.


Sergei Lavrov made the comments about Maria Butina in a phone call to the US secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, that was aimed at improving bilateral relations, the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement in the wake of the recent summit in Helsinki.
On Wednesday, a US judge ordered Butina jailed until her trial after prosecutors argued she had ties to Russian intelligence and could flee the country.
Butina has been accused of working with a high-powered Russian official and two unidentified US citizens, trying to infiltrate the National Rifle Association and influence US policy toward Russia.


Lavrov said the actions of the American authorities, who arrested Butina “on the basis of fabricated charges”, were unacceptable and called for her release as soon as possible.

What if Putin personally asks Trump?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-sergei-lavrov

That's the problem with electronic data, you can never be assured that it has been completely destroyed when being blackmailed. The peepee tapes will forever be held as ransom over what Trump does for Russia.
If he had given the finger to Putin right from the start, all he would have suffered would have been humiliation and perhaps an end to his bid for the presidency. Now, if the tapes were released, Trump will face serious gaol time as it will be abundantly clear he's been committing treason for fear of the tapes being released.
He's got no choice but to do Putin's bidding.

Originally Posted by mark45y

I'm calm and cooperative

That's patently and demonstrably untrue.

I'm trying to remember who was responsible for this quote. Perhaps one of my TD chums can help me out?

“James Comey better hope that there are no 'tapes' of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!”.

^ Interviewer:"Is there any justification for a special prosecutor to look at if there was collusion between the Trump campaig and Russia?"
Page; "I can only speak for myself...."
Not denying the collusion, only his part in it.

Originally Posted by Mozzbie47

OK,,,so who do you think would've been better,,, mention their names,,,this will be interesting,,bet you dont answer,,

Anybody would have been better that Trump. Anybody. My dog would have been better. He will go down as the worst president in American history with not even a close second. I supported Bernie Sanders in the primary that was my pick for president. He got screwed and so I voted for anyone but Trump because I knew he would do massive damage to this country and its standing in the world. So far it is worse than I even imagined.

Originally Posted by mark45y

What's wrong with welfare cuts?

So you like throwing poor people out of their homes and taking food from the mouths of babies and children? Of course you do you are a right wing asshole. Give the rich and corporations the biggest tax cuts in history and make the poor pay for it. Typical.

Originally Posted by Norton

Indeed intelligence agencies have what amount to lifetime jobs. Same as all civil servant positions but giving them some sort of term limit is impractical. Politicians come and go as do the heads of the various agencies. Under the current system, both the House and the Senate have oversight of intel agencies. As elected politicians these folks are supposed to make sure intel agencies behave in a non political manner.

Suppose there may be a better system but escapes me what it would be under the powers granted to our politicians in the constitution.

End of the day the US like any other nation needs a strong intel capability. They have made some big mistakes but poopooing the entire lot as Trump has done is out of order and an indication of Trump's ignorance of his now own intel agencies.

I disagree, giving too much importance to intelligence agencies is the sure way to self-destruction, it will install a parallel power system, that will abuse and manipulate society to protect itself or promote their own agenda

we have seen the effects of such agencies during the cold war years, all soviet satellites and the soviets themselves had very very strong intelligence agencies and "special" police forces that literally destroy the system from within.

The Americans love to think that they destroyed the Soviets, but in reality the Soviets self destruct on their own weight, and that weight was accelerated by an overpresence of intelligent services that created paranoia and an unlimited supply of pointless and expensive spy games.

The US and the UK will suffer eventually from the self internal destruction, and will take the entire world down with them, unless we start to raise up and reject the "US model" of world democracy and absolute dominance.

An independent EU and Russia is our only way out.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Anybody would have been better that Trump. Anybody. My dog would have been better. He will go down as the worst president in American history with not even a close second. I supported Bernie Sanders in the primary that was my pick for president. He got screwed and so I voted for anyone but Trump because I knew he would do massive damage to this country and its standing in the world. So far it is worse than I even imagined.

actually Hillary would have been far worse, it would be a full scale world war now with Russia

at least we have peace and a DOW at 25,000

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

I disagree, giving too much importance to intelligence agencies is the sure way to self-destruction, it will install a parallel power system, that will abuse and manipulate society to protect itself or promote their own agenda

we have seen the effects of such agencies during the cold war years, all soviet satellites and the soviets themselves had very very strong intelligence agencies and "special" police forces that literally destroy the system from within.

The Americans love to think that they destroyed the Soviets, but in reality the Soviets self destruct on their own weight, and that weight was accelerated by an overpresence of intelligent services that created paranoia and an unlimited supply of pointless and expensive spy games.

I take your point but it is not the point here. For Trump to very publically side with Putin over the information Trump's own intelligence agencies gave him, and to side with Putin when the information was damning to Putin, was a disgraceful and cowardly travesty of presidential incompetance.
Trump needs to take a tictac and grab himself because he's a pussy.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

I take your point but it is not the point here. For Trump to very publically side with Putin over the information Trump's own intelligence agencies gave him, and to side with Putin when the information was damning to Putin, was a disgraceful and cowardly travesty of presidential incompetance.
Trump needs to take a tictac and grab himself because he's a pussy.

Trump knows what he is doing, and knows the power of his own intelligence agencies, a power he can't accept and shouldn't accept. What he is doing is that he is sending a clear message to those agencies, a big "fuck you, I can do what I want, I am the POTUS, lalala"

this is the only thing those agencies can respect, not a carpet like GW Bush Jr or even Obama

it's a power struggle, the Russians are not even the question, the real question is the independence of the POTUS and the power of Intelligence agencies in our democracy. This is the real war going on now.

The CIA/Pentagon/NSA won the battle in 2001, but they may lose the war in 2018 with Trump

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

actually Hillary would have been far worse, it would be a full scale world war now with Russia

Bullshit. You really need to fuck off and maybe start a thread on Belgian politics because you know fuck all about American politics.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Trump knows what he is doing

He most certainly does not know what he is doing. This excerpt is tame but spot on.
""At the press conference in Helsinki, Donald Trump proved himself, at best, a heedless amateur, blind to the bogus arguments and offers being made by a shrewd adversary," David Remnick writes."

he knows what he is doing, it's simply YOU guys who don't know why he is doing it

he is a manipulator and a predator, not as smooth as Obama, another big predator, but at least he gets real results

see how the Intelligence Agencies are squealing over this, they are probably planning a way to kill him as we speak, and blame it all on Russia and Putin

the real enemy is the NSA/Pentagon, not Trump, you freaking snowflakes

Originally Posted by bsnub

Bullshit. You really need to fuck off and maybe start a thread on Belgian politics because you know fuck all about American politics.

Go back to your Clash of Clans on your stupid iPhone, you silly little fraud

look at all the Cyberwars going on now, it's real, and it's all piloted by spying agencies, US, Chinese, Russia, British, EU

They are wanking all over PornTube with their silly expensive toys to play spy games,

it will bankrupt our democracy, like traditional warfare did with Rome

Buttplug had a bite of lunch and got done fisting himself. You sad Belgian retard.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

it will bankrupt our democracy

Just what democracy are you talking about? You are a facist moron.