President Donald Trump

**harrybarracuda** · 27-09-2017, 11:19 PM

This administration is a useless pile of fucking shit from top to bottom.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ico/707448001/

**AntRobertson** · 28-09-2017, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by longway

...state of hysteria [...] deranged hatred and on your knees

...I wish there was at least one intelligent Trump supporter on the forum. Someone capable of articulating coherent and logical points.

Is that really too much to ask.

**tomcat** · 28-09-2017, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

intelligent Trump supporter

...a whiff of the oxymoron here...

**AntRobertson** · 28-09-2017, 08:01 AM

Well yeah, maybe. But surely there must be at least some??

And if not actually intelligent-slash-capable of articulating fully-formed thoughts then at least smarter than a dribbling reactionary like longway.

**misskit** · 28-09-2017, 08:01 AM

Only last week Junior had his secret service protection stopped. Now he has requested it be reinstated. What up with that?

Donald Trump Jr.'s Secret Service detail restored, sources say

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump Jr.'s Secret Service protection has been reactivated, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

The President's son had previously requested his protection be scaled back, seeking more privacy.

By law, as an immediate family member of President Donald Trump, his son is authorized, but not required, to have protection.
It is not clear what prompted the move.

Previously, Trump Jr. had also requested to travel without protection during a family trip in June, which the Secret Service reluctantly approved.

Two sources who spoke on condition of anonymity previously told CNN that the Secret Service strongly pushed back on his request, but said it was "demanded" by Trump Jr. himself.

The Secret Service detail has been restored to what it was before, the sources said.

Trump Jr.'s Secret Service detail restored, sources say - CNNPolitics

**AntRobertson** · 28-09-2017, 10:03 AM

Here's a new take on Trump being a cockhead over the NFL:

Donald Trump's NFL war follows a history of rejection - NZ Herald

In an nutshell: that he's still bitter over constantly being rejected from joining the NFL team owners club.

Anyone else it might be a stretch but Trump it fits right into his petty and vindictive traits.

There's also this brilliant letter that was written to him by a fellow USFL team owner:

"Your personal abuse of the commissioner and various of your partners if they did not happen to espouse one of your causes or agree with one of your arguments", "insensitive and denigrating comments". This dude obviously knew Trump.

And this gem: "I'll have no regrets whatsoever punching you right in the mouth"

**Dragonfly** · 28-09-2017, 01:41 PM

awesome letter, unfortunately character trait of Trump is quite common among American millionaires and business entrepeneurs

**Norton** · 28-09-2017, 02:03 PM

The loser moves on to greener grass.

Trump Proposes the Most Sweeping Tax Overhaul in Decades

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS and ALAN RAPPEPORT
SEPTEMBER 27, 2017

INDIANAPOLIS — President Trump on Wednesday began an ambitious push to slash taxes and salvage what remains of his embattled legislative agenda in Congress this year, proposing a politically challenging array of tax cuts for individuals and businesses that would constitute the most sweeping changes to the federal tax code in decades.

Mr. Trump, smarting from the latest defeat this week of his efforts to dismantle the Affordable Care Act, cast the tax plan as an economic imperative and the fulfillment of a promise to his working-class supporters to deliver benefits in the form of lower taxes, better jobs and higher wages.

“This is a revolutionary change, and the biggest winners will be the everyday American workers as jobs start pouring into our country, as companies start competing for American labor and as wages start going up at levels that you haven’t seen in many years,” Mr. Trump told hundreds of supporters in a speech at the Indiana State Fair Grounds.

But the president offered no measure of the plan’s cost and scant detail about how working people would benefit from a proposal that has explicit and substantial rewards for wealthy people and corporations, including the elimination of taxes on large inheritances and deep reductions in the rates paid by businesses large and small.

After months of secret talks among Republicans, the nine-page proposal produced by the so-called Big Six working group prompts as many questions as it provides answers. Without more details, it is difficult to show how middle-income families will see the most benefit from the tax overhaul — or if it will favor the richest Americans.

On the individual side, the plan would collapse the tax brackets from seven to three, with tax rates of 12 percent, 25 percent and 35 percent, the president said. The current top rate is 39.6 percent and the lowest rate is 10 percent. The framework also gives Congress the option of creating a higher, fourth, rate above 35 percent in the tax plan to ensure that the wealthy are paying their fair share.

The plan aims to simplify and cut taxes for the middle class by doubling the standard deduction to $12,000 for individuals and to $24,000 for married couples filing jointly. That would allow people to avoid a complicated process of itemizing their taxes to claim various credits and deductions. It would increase the child tax credit from $1,000 to an unspecified amount, and create a new $500 tax credit for non-child dependents, such as the elderly.

Provisions such as the alternative minimum tax and the estate tax, a levy on inherited wealth that Mr. Trump has derided for years, would be gone under the Republican proposal.

The proposal calls for reducing the corporate tax rate to 20 percent from 35 percent, a shift that supporters say is needed to make American companies more competitive with their counterparts around the world.

A new tax rate of 25 percent would also be created for so-called pass-through businesses, such as partnerships and sole proprietorships, which are currently taxed at the rate of their owners. About 95 percent of businesses in the United States are structured as pass-throughs and they generate a majority of the government’s corporate tax revenue.

“This will be the lowest top marginal income tax rate for small and midsize businesses in this country in more than 80 years,” Mr. Trump said.

While Republican leaders claim to be united on the tax plan, they must now sell it to lawmakers who have been deeply divided this year. The push began at a House Republican retreat on Wednesday at Fort McNair in Washington, where Representative Kevin Brady of Texas, the Republican chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, walked members through the blueprint and talked about the importance of coming together to fix the tax code.

Later, in a hopeful sign for Republican leaders fretting privately about keeping their rank and file together, the conservative Freedom Caucus, whose members have derailed the party’s initiatives with hard-line demands, issued a statement of support calling the plan “forward looking” and pledging to back the party’s budget designed to ensure its passage.

The political stakes are high for a president who is desperate to score a legislative win before his first year in office draws to a close. Mr. Trump, who has eschewed the advocacy tours that his predecessors have used to build support for their top domestic priorities, made a rare direct appeal to voters during his speech, imploring them to call their representatives and senators and demand action on the tax proposal. “Let them know you’re watching,” Mr. Trump said. “Let them know you’re waiting.”

In an apparent nod to the harsh political realities the tax plan faces, Mr. Trump made an explicit overture to Democrats to support the plan.

“Democrats and Republicans in Congress should come together, finally, to deliver this giant win for the American people,” Mr. Trump said.

But behind the scenes, Republican congressional leaders and senior White House officials have discussed bypassing Democrats and using special budget rules that would allow them to get the bill through Congress on a simple majority vote. And Mr. Trump paired his scripted talk of bipartisanship with an impromptu threat to Senator Joe Donnelly, Democrat of Indiana, saying he would personally work to defeat the senator’s re-election bid next year if he does not fall into line on the tax plan.

“If Senator Donnelly doesn’t approve it — because, you know, he’s on the other side — we will come here, we will campaign against him like you wouldn’t believe,” Mr. Trump said as Mr. Donnelly looked on from the audience.

Conservatives cheered the plan as a bold and long-awaited step to spur economic growth, while Democratic leaders condemned it as an irresponsible boon to the rich. And some budget watchdogs expressed worry about the long-term impact of a plan they said could cost more than $2 trillion over a decade.

Mr. Trump, who has broken with precedent for modern American presidents by refusing to release his tax returns, insisted that wealthy people like him would not benefit — an assertion that seemed improbable for a man who runs a family-owned real estate empire and whose children stand to inherit vast sums.

“Tax reform will protect low-income and middle-income households, not the wealthy and well-connected,” Mr. Trump said, framing a proposal that would affect hundreds of millions of Americans in terms of his own self-interest. “I’m doing the right thing, and it’s not good for me, believe me.”

Democrats scoffed. “If this framework is all about the middle class, then Trump Tower is middle-class housing,” said Senator Ron Wyden of Oregon, the ranking Democrat on the Finance Committee. “It violates Trump’s tax pledge that the rich would not gain at all under his plan by offering sweetheart deals for powerful C.E.O.s, giveaways for campaign coffers and a new way to cheat taxes for Mar-a-Lago’s loyal members.”

As with the individual side, some of the thornier business tax issues remain unaddressed. It will be left to Congress to create safeguards that prevent wealthy individuals from incorporating as pass-through businesses, which would tax their income at a lower rate.

Most itemized deductions, including those widely used for state and local tax expenses, would also be eliminated, along with most of the tax credits that businesses use. However, the plan would preserve the deductions for mortgage interest expenses and charitable giving and keep incentives for education and retirement savings plans, as well as preserve the tax credits for research and development and low-income-housing on the business side.

Another big change for companies would be a limitation of the deductibility for corporate interest expenses, in exchange for the opportunity to immediately expense business investments. The ability to immediately write off these expenses would last only five years, and the limitations for deducting interest have yet to be determined.

Perhaps the most significant, yet murky, shift is the move from a worldwide tax system to a territorial tax system for multinational corporations. In theory, this means that companies would not be taxed on their overseas earnings. But to prevent erosion of the tax base, Republicans plan to impose some form of tax on foreign profits. The transition to the new system would also include a one-time repatriation tax at yet-to-be-determined rates to encourage companies to bring offshore profits back home.

Administration officials did not provide a cost estimate for the plan. Members of the Senate Budget Committee have agreed on a budget resolution that would allow for a $1.5 trillion tax cut over 10 years. Studies of similar plans produced by Mr. Trump and House Republicans have been projected to cost $3 trillion to $7 trillion over a decade.

Republicans say economic growth will compensate for lost revenue. Senator Patrick J. Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican who sits on the Finance Committee, said he was confident that a growing economy would pay for the tax cuts.

“This tax plan will be deficit reducing,” Mr. Toomey said

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/2....google.co.th/

**Norton** · 28-09-2017, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

But behind the scenes, Republican congressional leaders and senior White House officials have discussed bypassing Democrats and using special budget rules that would allow them to get the bill through Congress on a simple majority vote.

Naturally. Standard operating procedure these days but even so this bill likely to fare worse than healthcare.

**Dragonfly** · 28-09-2017, 02:19 PM

they couldn't repeal Obama care, but the plan will eventually collapse on itself

too bad they can't find a fix, and the Democrats don't seem to care that much

what a tragedy, Obama was a bit "light" on his signature law

**bsnub** · 28-09-2017, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

the plan would collapse the tax brackets from seven to three, with tax rates of 12 percent, 25 percent and 35 percent, the president said. The current top rate is 39.6 percent and the lowest rate is 10 percent.

So a tax increase for the poorest Americans and a massive cut for the richest.

Originally Posted by Norton

budget watchdogs expressed worry about the long-term impact of a plan they said could cost more than $2 trillion over a decade.

What a disaster. The fact that a political party could even consider something that would balloon the deficit like this is completely mind blowing.

**Norton** · 28-09-2017, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

they couldn't repeal Obama care, but the plan will eventually collapse on itself

too bad they can't find a fix, and the Democrats don't seem to care that much

what a tragedy, Obama was a bit "light" on his signature law

Obama care needs fixin. Trump care failed because it sucked.
Insurance and pharmaceutical costs are the core problem.
Both sides know it but healtcare has become so politicised neither side will budge.

Forget the repeal and replace mantra and forget trying to protect Obama care.

Try coming up with People Care. Just copy one of the many effective and affordable healthcare programs several countries have. As Trump said healthcare can't be that complicated.

**Norton** · 28-09-2017, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

The fact that a political party could even consider something that would balloon the deficit like this is completely mind blowing.

Herein is the area whuch will get the most pushback from conservative Repubicans.

**AntRobertson** · 28-09-2017, 02:58 PM

Some more Trump 'Winning!':

- following Roy Moore's victory over Strange Trump did the most Trumpian thing he could... deleted his tweets bragging about how much his endorsement had benefited Strange; and

- after dragging Usain Bolt into his ridonkulous NFL spat turns out the Bolt believes that athletes have a right to protest.

So. Much. Winning.

**misskit** · 28-09-2017, 03:05 PM

^ That whole deleting tweets thing and what Steve Bannon announced when Moore won the election was weird. It was as though those two thought they could just act like Trump never supported Strange and erase history.

Yeah. So much winning.

**Norton** · 28-09-2017, 03:22 PM

What does the law say about Donald Trump’s deleted tweets?

What does the law say about Donald Trump?s deleted tweets? | PolitiFact

**AntRobertson** · 28-09-2017, 03:28 PM

That's a pretty interesting point actually regarding the status of his Tweets.

I can't see how they'd be anything other than Presidential records by definition.

Take the Tweets about Strange: he wasn't tweeting as Donald Drumpf private citizen, he was tweeting his endorsement as Donald Drumpf, POTUS.

**uncle junior** · 28-09-2017, 03:39 PM

Quiinipac poll....36% approval for DT, 56% say he's unfit to serve...GOP has 15% approval......sad

**harrybarracuda** · 28-09-2017, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Obama care needs fixin. Trump care failed because it sucked.
Insurance and pharmaceutical costs are the core problem.
Both sides know it but healtcare has become so politicised neither side will budge.

Why would the Democrats (and a few Republicans) budge on the Republicans trying to find yet another way to hand cash to their sponsors?

The Republicans have never once submitted a workable Healthcare plan, because they don't fucking want one.

**harrybarracuda** · 28-09-2017, 05:06 PM

Oh dear, longface won't be amused.

Donald Trump’s despotic declaration that the NFL should punish players who protest racial injustice, and that fans should boycott the league if the organization refuses, has backfired in spectacular fashion.

NFL ratings for the weekend after Trump’s tirade are up, not down. Which means millions more than usual watched players — and even owners who donated to Trump — reject his racial demagoguery.

ESPN sports business reporter Darren Rovell wrote, “Preliminary ratings for NFL games on CBS yesterday were UP 4% vs Week 3 of last year. Its pregame show had highest viewership in 7 YEARS.”

**Dragonfly** · 29-09-2017, 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Obama care needs fixin. Trump care failed because it sucked.
Insurance and pharmaceutical costs are the core problem.
Both sides know it but healtcare has become so politicised neither side will budge.

Forget the repeal and replace mantra and forget trying to protect Obama care.

Try coming up with People Care. Just copy one of the many effective and affordable healthcare programs several countries have. As Trump said healthcare can't be that complicated.

absolutely, copy the Canadian system and everyone would be happy

Obamacare is going to collapse, Obama sacrifice will have been all for nothing

what a disappointment and another dent on his legacy

**longway** · 29-09-2017, 02:21 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_con...&v=kKnJzyw4enk

these lovely ladies will defintely score a few new fans, though i got to admit i wouldnt mind seeing some on their knees.

**longway** · 29-09-2017, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Oh dear, longface won't be amused.

how much virtue signalling can the writer cram into a few paragraphs, sounds desperste and sad. If it has any truth in it, its just some crazed libtards watching it on their knees in defiance of trump or just some wondering what the fuss is about.

Next week the libtards will be back to doing yoga or having their wives bugger them with a strap on, or whatever it is you do on sundays in lalaland.

in the real world, trump has knocked it out of the park bigly. The vast majority support trump's position and the majority say it will make it less likely they will watch.

Remington Research Group

**harrybarracuda** · 29-09-2017, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by longway

how much virtue signalling can the writer cram into a few paragraphs, sounds desperste and sad. If it has any truth in it, its just some crazed libtards watching it on their knees in defiance of trump or just some wondering what the fuss is about.

Next week the libtards will be back to doing yoga or having their wives bugger them with a strap on, or whatever it is you do on sundays in lalaland.

in the real world, trump has knocked it out of the park bigly. The vast majority support trump's position and the majority say it will make it less likely they will watch.

Remington Research Group

Hahaha and now the feeble orange cunto has had to backtrack and allow ships to deliver aid to Puerto Rico.

Honestly, I can't tell who's better at making themselves look like a twat, longface or the orange faced wanker.

The majority of Americans think he's crap longface. Where do you keep getting these absurdities?

**bsnub** · 29-09-2017, 05:36 AM

Originally Posted by longway

The vast majority support trump's position and the majority say it will make it less likely they will watch.

You're gonna eat those words retard.

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