Thread: President Donald Trump

Originally Posted by SKkin

Mika Brzezinski as in Zbigniew Brzezinski's daughter.

ok sure....he was an asshole. what's that got to do with her?

is judgement to be passed on all of us because of who we're related to?

FFS, you're related to storekeeper.....TD's resident war mongering, chicken-hawk hypocrite.

Originally Posted by bsnub

SKKin is a fake news pusher of bullshit. https://hoaxeye.com/2017/05/28/zbign...ama-bin-laden/

Maybe that isn't bin Laden in the pic, maybe it is...but Zbig played a role in the mujahideen/taliban/al qaeda's beginnings.

Brzezinski Interview | David N. Gibbs

Translated from the French by William Blum and David N. Gibbs. This translation was published in Gibbs, "Afghanistan: The Soviet Invasion in Retrospect," International Politics 37, no. 2, 2000, pp. 241-242. For article full text, click here.
Original French version appeared in "Les Révélations d'un Ancien Conseilleur de Carter: ‘Oui, la CIA est Entrée en Afghanistan avant les Russes...’" Le Nouvel Observateur [Paris], January 15-21, 1998, p. 76. Click here for original French text.
Note that all ellipses appeared in the original transcript, as published in Le Nouvel Observateur.

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs that the American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahiddin in Afghanistan six months before the Soviet intervention. Is this period, you were the national securty advisor to President Carter. You therefore played a key role in this affair. Is this correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahiddin began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the reality, closely guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention [emphasis added throughout].

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into the war and looked for a way to provoke it?

B: It wasn’t quite like that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q : When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against secret US involvement in Afghanistan , nobody believed them . However, there was an element of truth in this. You don’t regret any of this today?

B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war." Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war that was unsustainable for the regime , a conflict that bought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported Islamic fundamentalism, which has given arms and advice to future terrorists?

B : What is more important in world history? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some agitated Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q : “Some agitated Moslems”? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today...

B: Nonsense! It is said that the West has a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid: There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner, without demagoguery or emotionalism. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is t h ere in com m on among fundamentalist Saudi Arabia , moderate Morocco, militarist Pakistan, pro-Western Egypt, or secularist Central Asia? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries...

Additional Sources:
The memoirs referred to in the interview are Robert M. Gates, From the Shadows: The Ultimate Insider's Story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1996), pp. 143-49. Written by a former CIA director, this book first revealed the covert support for the Mujahiddin, prior to the invasion.
Washington Post correspondent Steve Coll downplays the significance of the CIA operation. He presents declassified documents from Brzezinski that express deep concern about the Soviet invasion. According to Coll, the documents "show no hint of satisfaction" from Brzezinski, regarding the invasion. Note, however, that Brzezinski's 1983 memoirs clearly do imply some satisfaction regarding the Soviet invasion (Coll neglects to mention this).
See Steve Coll, Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001 (New York: Penguin, 2004), pp. 50-51, 581, footnote 17; and Zbigniew Brzezinski, Power and Principle: Memoirs of the National Security Advisor, 1977–1981 (New York: Farrar, Straus, Giroux, 1983), p. 429.
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Originally Posted by raycarey

who is the forum's resident war mongering, chicken-hawk hypocrite.

You really are fucked up.

Originally Posted by SKkin

Maybe that isn't bin Laden in the pic, maybe it is...but Zbig played a role in the mujahideen/taliban/al qaeda's beginnings.

And you find that to be justification for Trump's personal attack on her? You really are one fukked up dude.

Originally Posted by Humbert

So Trump gets a thumbs up by you to make a vile personal attack on her because her father was national security advisor to Jimmy Carter?

Trump, Joe and Mika are just three of the clowns in this shit show. What a fucking joke.

Originally Posted by SKkin

but Zbig played a role in the mujahideen/taliban/al qaeda's beginnings.

Still not close to the bullshit you tried to post. Stores has his long winded head held in shame.

Originally Posted by Humbert

No, Donald Trump is the president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world.

Really?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Do you think freedom of the press is a joke Skkin?

It is now. Our press is free to collude with the corporate oligarchy...

It's like banging one's head against the wall trying to argue with these tin foil hat nutters. You ask for them to defend their idiotic comments and they deflect to another topic entirely. Jesus wept.

to the non-tinfoil hat wearing posters reading the last few pages.....i implore you...let's not go down this rabbit hole. it's leads nowhere and is entirely off topic.

now then....back to trump....according to one of the best political reporters in DC, trump is about to start a trade war....despite the protestations of the overwhelming majority of his cabinet.

With the political world distracted by President Trump's media wars, one of the most consequential and contentious internal debates of his presidency unfolded during a tense meeting Monday in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, administration sources tell Axios.

The outcome, with a potentially profound effect on U.S. economic and foreign policy, will be decided in coming days.

With more than 20 top officials present, including Trump and Vice President Pence, the president and a small band of America First advisers made it clear they're hell-bent on imposing tariffs — potentially in the 20% range — on steel, and likely other imports.

The penalties could eventually extend to other imports. Among those that may be considered: aluminum, semiconductors, paper, and appliances like washing machines.

One official estimated the sentiment in the room as 22 against and 3 in favor — but since one of the three is named Donald Trump, it was case closed.

No decision has been made, but the President is leaning towards imposing tariffs, despite opposition from nearly all his Cabinet.

In a plan pushed by Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, and backed by chief strategist Steve Bannon (not present at the meeting), trade policy director Peter Navarro and senior policy adviser Stephen Miller, the United States would impose tariffs on China and other big exporters of steel. Neither Mike Pence nor Jared Kushner weighed in either way.

Everyone else in the room, more than 75% of those present, were adamantly opposed, arguing it was bad economics and bad global politics. At one point, Trump was told his almost entire cabinet thought this was a bad idea. But everyone left the room believing the country is headed toward a major trade confrontation.

The reason, we're told: Trump's base — which drives more and more decisions, as his popularity sinks — likes the idea, and will love the fight.

The problem, according to top officials who argued strenuously that the move is ill-advised: The trade war wouldn't just affect China. The collateral damage would include a slew of allies, including Canada, Mexico, Japan, Germany and the United Kingdom.

Watch for: Trump was warned — and White House officials anticipate — that an affected industry like automakers is likely to seek a court injunction within hours of any tariffs on steel.

https://www.axios.com/exclusive-trum...450764900.html

^^^Yep but lemmings like you will take the oligarchical line. You are bought and paid for lemming.

Originally Posted by Humbert

No, Donald Trump is the president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world.

actually he is isn't, his powers are very limited, and the military is really running the show these days, thanks to GW Bush

The POTUS is simply their spokesperson, a silly stooge

but that doesn't mean he is not dangerous with all those military toys he can't really control or understand

Originally Posted by bsnub

^^^Yep but lemmings like you will take the oligarchical line. You are bought and paid for lemming.

irony runs high in you

So, you Trump haters are not posting about Trump's tweet.

You're falling for it hook, line, and sinker.


Suckas.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Quote:
Originally Posted by Humbert No, Donald Trump is the president of the United States, the most powerful man in the world. actually he is isn't, his powers are very limited,

Technically you may be right but it cannot be disputed that the US is the biggest country economically and militarily and the elected leader is the president so symbolically he the most powerful. Anyway, that whole issue is beside the larger point. He needs to leave this petty bullshit behind. It only makes him look weak and insecure.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Suckas.

Gary Johnson! Gary Johnson! Gary Johnson!

Molotov cocktails!

Originally Posted by Humbert

And you find that to be justification for Trump's personal attack on her? You really are one fukked up dude.

He never said nor implied that. That's just your classic, "anyone who disagrees with me must be a Trumptard" schtick.

Its tiring. Very binary. And very lazy.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Joe and Mika are political commentators excercising their first amendment rights.

Joe and Mika? LMAO.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^^^Yep but lemmings like you will take the oligarchical line. You are bought and paid for lemming.

He actually drives a truck for a living. Please see above.

Originally Posted by redhaze

Originally Posted by Humbert

And you find that to be justification for Trump's personal attack on her? You really are one fukked up dude.

He never said nor implied that. That's just your classic, "anyone who disagrees with me must be a Trumptard" schtick.

Its tiring. Very binary. And very lazy.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Joe and Mika are political commentators excercising their first amendment rights.

Joe and Mika? LMAO.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^^^Yep but lemmings like you will take the oligarchical line. You are bought and paid for lemming.

He actually drives a truck for a living. Please see above.

Finally some fucking reason in this thread.

Originally Posted by redhaze

He never said nor implied that

No? It wasn't a defense of Trump's comments by attacking the victim? Excuse me while I barf.

It was an attempt at delegitimizing her by pointing to the legacy of her father. A fallacy. A classic McCarthy/Cohn tactic. You ajarn lemmings really stick together don't you?

Originally Posted by Humbert

Excuse me while I barf.

Dont worry, Snubby & Ant will hold your hair back for ya.

I personally like Trump's personal attacks. It's something both sides of the aisle find repugnant and that's how things start.

Trump is the ideal leader for the lower life forms that troll the internet, many of who are KKK followers, neo-Nazis, white nationalists and alt-rights. He feeds them a diet of hate that they live on. One week it's the Muslims, the week prior, Mexicans, then Iranians, then Germans, then judges, then journalists, then the elites and academics, then scientists, then Hillary, then Obama, then the Democrats, ad nauseum.

There isn't a day that goes by where this man child and compulsively lying sociopath proves to the world that he is completely unfit and totally over his head for the job. The only light at the end of the tunnel will be 2018 when the Trump crime syndicate will come to an end and the GOP will be banished to the political wilderness where they belong.

Originally Posted by Humbert

He needs to leave this petty bullshit behind. It only makes him look weak and insecure.

which exactly defines the US Presidency these days, it's all in the posture

GW Bush was weak, and so was Obama, they just pretended to be tough guys but they weren't

what's refreshing with Trump is that he is the real representation of that role without the pretense and the posture

you couldn't make a better POTUS, show it cash what a weak person he really is. There is no misunderstanding here. What he himself believes is irrelevant, it's his real projection that matters and he is right on the mark.

What a nice change !!! Vive le Trump

Originally Posted by elche

Trump is the ideal leader for the lower life forms that troll the internet

indeed, he is a sucker magnet for you silly Hillary snowflakes, without seeing the irony of it all

Originally Posted by elche

Trump is the ideal leader for the lower life forms that troll the internet, many of who are KKK followers, neo-Nazis, white nationalists and alt-rights.

Oh fuck hes nailed me