President Donald Trump

**longway** · 17-05-2017, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by dimwit 1

The Republicans don't know what to do. If they help get Trump out of office, as they should, they are doomed along with all the plans they had to use Trump to help the rich get richer.

No win situation for Republicans as a party.

Originally Posted by dimwit 2

^ Yup. You nailed it.

**Humbert** · 17-05-2017, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by longway

he shared nothing inappropriate, nor did he endanger national security, nor did he cause a rift with allies, its a non-story ie fake news.

Then why did the Israelis asked that the information be kept confidential?
It sends a message to the rest of the world that this president is an undisciplined, egotistical child who cannot be trusted. That is of great consequence.

It is also totally hypocritical for him to be disclosing classified information in violation of an agreement while repeatedly damning Clinton for her issues over handling classified information.

**bsnub** · 17-05-2017, 09:45 AM

^ It's pointless bert. He is incapable of intelligent discourse.

**tomcat** · 17-05-2017, 09:49 AM

...a little more background on tRump:

I wrote ‘The Art of the Deal’ with Trump. His self-sabotage is rooted in his past.

The president's behavior, explained.
By Tony Schwartz May 16 at 6:06 PM

Tony Schwartz is the chief executive officer of the Energy Project, which helps companies tap more of people’s capacity by better meeting their core needs so they can perform more sustainably. He is the author, most recently, of “The Way We’re Working Isn’t Working.”

Why does Donald Trump behave in the dangerous and seemingly self-destructive ways he does?

Three decades ago, I spent nearly a year hanging around Trump to write his first book, “The Art of the Deal,” and got to know him very well. I spent hundreds of hours listening to him, watching him in action and interviewing him about his life. For me, none of what he has said or done over the past four months as president comes as a surprise. The way he has behaved over the past week — firing FBI Director James B. Comey, undercutting his own aides as they tried to explain the decision and then disclosing sensitive information to Russian officials — is also entirely predictable.

Early on, I recognized that Trump’s sense of self-worth is forever at risk. When he feels aggrieved, he reacts impulsively and defensively, constructing a self-justifying story that doesn’t depend on facts and always directs the blame to others.

The Trump I first met in 1985 had lived nearly all his life in survival mode. By his own description, his father, Fred, was relentlessly demanding, difficult and driven. Here’s how I phrased it in “The Art of the Deal”: “My father is a wonderful man, but he is also very much a business guy and strong and tough as hell.” As Trump saw it, his older brother, Fred Jr., who became an alcoholic and died at age 42, was overwhelmed by his father. Or as I euphemized it in the book: “There were confrontations between them. In most cases, Freddy came out on the short end.”

Trump’s worldview was profoundly and self-protectively shaped by his father. “I was drawn to business very early, and I was never intimidated by my father, the way most people were,” is the way I wrote it in the book. “I stood up to my father and he respected that. We had a relationship that was almost businesslike.”

To survive, I concluded from our conversations, Trump felt compelled to go to war with the world. It was a binary, zero-sum choice for him: You either dominated or you submitted. You either created and exploited fear or you succumbed to it — as he thought his older brother had. This narrow, defensive worldview took hold at a very early age, and it never evolved. “When I look at myself today and I look at myself in the first grade,” he told a recent biographer, “I’m basically the same.” His development essentially ended in early childhood.

Instead, Trump grew up fighting for his life and taking no prisoners. In countless conversations, he made it clear to me that he treated every encounter as a contest he had to win, because the only other option from his perspective was to lose, and that was the equivalent of obliteration. Many of the deals in “The Art of the Deal” were massive failures — among them the casinos he owned and the launch of a league to rival the National Football League — but Trump had me describe each of them as huge successes.

[President Trump wants to put on a show. Governing matters less.]

With evident pride, Trump explained to me that he was “an assertive, aggressive” kid from an early age and that he had once punched a music teacher in the eye and nearly been expelled from elementary school for his behavior.

Like so much about Trump, who knows whether that story is true? What’s clear is that he has spent his life seeking to dominate others, whatever that requires, and whatever collateral damage it creates along the way. In “The Art of the Deal,” he speaks with streetfighting relish about competing in the world of New York real estate: “They are some of toughest, and most vicious people in the world. I happen to love to go up against them, and I love to beat them.” I never sensed from Trump any guilt or contrition about anything he’d done, and he certainly never shared any misgivings publicly. From his perspective, he operated in a jungle full of predators who were forever out to get him, and he did what he must to survive.

Trump was equally clear with me that he didn’t value — nor even necessarily recognize — the qualities that tend to emerge as people grow more secure, such as empathy, generosity, reflectiveness, the capacity to delay gratification or, above all, a conscience, an inner sense of right and wrong. Trump simply didn’t traffic in emotions or interest in others. The life he lived was all transactional, all the time. Having never expanded his emotional, intellectual or moral universe, he has his story down, and he’s sticking to it...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.77441915f066

**Humbert** · 17-05-2017, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

It's pointless bert. He is incapable of intelligent discourse.

The constant pressure is eating at him. It is obvious that he is unraveling. So I say, keep hammering him with the truth.

**crackerjack101** · 17-05-2017, 11:15 AM

Nato officials will ‘ensure no one talks for more than four minutes to keep Donald Trump’s attention’

Nato officials will ?ensure no one talks for more than four minutes to keep Donald Trump?s attention? | The Independent

**Cold Pizza** · 17-05-2017, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I don't see it this way, completely. But as for the GOP, with or without Trump, I think they'll have losses coming.
Trump is not really a Repub, IMO.
He was an outsider throughout the campaign.
He caters to different factions of the GOP base.
Many Repubs were opposed to him during the campaign and election.
Many (IMO) would like the Pence as potus - and they could rubber stamp many initiatives - which I do think, like you do - would further hurt them in the coming mid term and next Presidential election.

Speculation.

Meaningless.

Right we are speculating - including you.

**Cold Pizza** · 17-05-2017, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by bsnub

It's pointless bert. He is incapable of intelligent discourse.

The constant pressure is eating at him. It is obvious that he is unraveling. So I say, keep hammering him with the truth.

I saw a snippet of an interview where he said (to paraphrase).

'Before this (being President) I loved what I was doing. I liked my life'

Something like that.

**Maanaam** · 17-05-2017, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by crackerjack101

Nato officials will ‘ensure no one talks for more than four minutes to keep Donald Trump’s attention’

Nato officials will ?ensure no one talks for more than four minutes to keep Donald Trump?s attention? | The Independent

If I was an American, I'm not sure if I'd laugh or cry.
He really is the most ridiculous excuse for a leader for a developed country, ever.

**Humbert** · 17-05-2017, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I saw a snippet of an interview where he said (to paraphrase).
'Before this (being President) I loved what I was doing. I liked my life'
Something like that.

The HE I was referring to was longway.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Right we are speculating - including you.

That's why I brought it up to mock you. Isn't it obvious to you by now that this is a forum and it is mostly about speculation. Maybe you will shut up about it from now on.

**HermantheGerman** · 17-05-2017, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by crackerjack101

Nato officials will ‘ensure no one talks for more than four minutes to keep Donald Trump’s attention’

Nato officials will ?ensure no one talks for more than four minutes to keep Donald Trump?s attention? | The Independent

^

“It’s kind of ridiculous how they are preparing to deal with Trump,” one source said. “It’s like they’re preparing to deal with a child — someone with a short attention span and mood who has no knowledge of Nato, no interest in in-depth policy issues, nothing. They’re freaking out.”

This is actually how the whole world is feeling. Except some inbreed Hillbillies from the U.S.

**harrybarracuda** · 17-05-2017, 12:11 PM

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!
3:26 PM - 12 May 2017

I'm guessing Comey doesn't give a fuck.

*snigger*

**Cujo** · 17-05-2017, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!
3:26 PM - 12 May 2017

I'm guessing Comey doesn't give a fuck.

*snigger*

Comey made a statement recently to the effect he hopes there ARE tapes, that would clear the whole thing up.
There aren't tapes , or if there are they'll never surface.
Why Trump would say such a thing is baffling.
Comey's basically called his bluff. I also read somewhere this morning that they are considering an order demanding Trump hand over the tapes.

**Cujo** · 17-05-2017, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
James Comey better hope that there are no "tapes" of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!
3:26 PM - 12 May 2017

I'm guessing Comey doesn't give a fuck.

*snigger*

Comey made a statement recently to the effect he hopes there ARE tapes, that would clear the whole thing up.
There aren't tapes , or if there are they'll never surface.
Why Trump would say such a thing is baffling.
Comey's basically called his bluff. I also read somewhere this morning that they are considering an order demanding Trump hand over the tapes.
Bring it on Comey says.

**Cold Pizza** · 17-05-2017, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

I saw a snippet of an interview where he said (to paraphrase).
'Before this (being President) I loved what I was doing. I liked my life'
Something like that.

The HE I was referring to was longway.

Originally Posted by Cold Pizza

Right we are speculating - including you.

That's why I brought it up to mock you. Isn't it obvious to you by now that this is a forum and it is mostly about speculation. Maybe you will shut up about it from now on.

I was replying to your comment.

Contribute with your thoughts and opinions, not puerile pedantics.

**longway** · 17-05-2017, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by longway

he shared nothing inappropriate, nor did he endanger national security, nor did he cause a rift with allies, its a non-story ie fake news.

Then why did the Israelis asked that the information be kept confidential?
It sends a message to the rest of the world that this president is an undisciplined, egotistical child who cannot be trusted. That is of great consequence.

It is also totally hypocritical for him to be disclosing classified information in violation of an agreement while repeatedly damning Clinton for her issues over handling classified information.

For Christ's sake, the story is bs, he revealed nothing that the Israelis did not want to be kept secret, or anyone else. It's a hoax story, bs, fake news, capisce?

**bsnub** · 17-05-2017, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by longway

he revealed nothing that the Israelis did not want to be kept secret

Right he revealed what they WANTED to be kept secret.

Originally Posted by longway

It's a hoax story, bs, fake news, capisce?

Right even after Drumpf admitted to doing it. You clearly are mentally ill.

**bsnub** · 17-05-2017, 02:22 PM

These morons keep tripping over themselves...

https://gizmodo.com/trumps-bodyguard...ium=socialflow

**redhaze** · 17-05-2017, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by longway

It's a hoax story, bs, fake news, capisce?

Click your heals three times and you're at Lago Del Mar.

There's no place like Trump Tower. There's no place like Trump tower

**harrybarracuda** · 17-05-2017, 02:33 PM

Trump is the best daddy ever.

Has an 11 year old son and spends his free time fucking off to play golf.

No wonder the kid's getting an Oedipus complex.

**tomcat** · 17-05-2017, 03:38 PM

Free advice for tRump aides: get out now...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/o...ft-region&_r=0

**raycarey** · 17-05-2017, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by tomcat

Free advice for tRump aides: get out now...

sure, but this might be better advice.... lawyer up.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...counsel-238360

**harrybarracuda** · 17-05-2017, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by tomcat

Free advice for tRump aides: get out now...

sure, but this might be better advice.... lawyer up.

Is it time for Trump staff to lawyer up? - POLITICO

And get an immunity deal so you can sing like a regular fucking canary.

**tomcat** · 17-05-2017, 03:58 PM

Book deals! Movie rights! TV serials! West Wing Confidential! Not to mention the action toy tie-in: Spicer lawn ornaments, chatty Conway dolls, Republican senator bobble-heads...the list is endless...

**Mr Earl** · 17-05-2017, 04:03 PM

Oh my, oh my, a real snowstorm in May.

The precious snowflakes are in a furious flurry....

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