Thread: Israel will never withdraw from Golan Heights - Netanyahu

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Question: Why did Hamas claim responsibility for the kidnapping and killing of the three boys prior to their two operatives dying in the shoot-out with IDF ?

Missed this PC.

They didn't. They never claimed responsibility for it.

There were, as I recall, one or two of the perpetrators involved in it that had some VERY loose connection to the event were on the frignes of HAMAS, but it was not a Hamas plot or activity. It was some nasty murderous bastards, same as the settlers who burned a child alive in revenge.

When the BIbi Ruse was being played out that they were still alive, some exiled Palestinian folk were cheering it on, thinking it was a gambit to exchange them for some of the thousands of Palestinians in indefinite detention in israel, but alas, the boys were already dead and Bibi had his excuse to ditch peace talks and go back to murdering again. They basically did not know, as BIBI and Washington knew, that the boys were already dead within 24 hours of going missing. If you want to see the blatant lies of these israeli and MErkin politicians, watch their press conferences at the time. They knew they were dead, but obomba, fake tear in his eye, claiming he thought they were still alive. Morally corrupt and disgusting of course.

Interesting though that ISIS claimed responsibility for it, but that is nonsense, because, well, as we know, ISIS get medical treatment in the occupied Golan Heights from Israel and are not likely to bite the hand that feeds them. Most put this claim down to either ISIS wanting to pretend they are not supported by israel, which they are or Shin bet / Mossad wanting to claim that Hamas is ISIS making it up. Probably both.

They Never claimed responsibility ? Really Psuedo ? you had better read the link in my post 919 ,just one of a dozen or so links all saying they did ,want me to post em all?

No Piwi - you are wrong as usual. Those hamas guys you are blaming were trying to use it for political advantage.

They never claimed responsibility for the murder of those kids. Never. Also, look at the DATE of this claim. CBS/AP August 21, 2014, 3:24 PM
Gaza had already been under attack for over a month at that point.




now, once again,

why did'nt they fight for their rights when Gaza was under Egyptian Control and the West Bank Under the Jordanians pre 1967 ?

Why? What is your idea about this.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Question: Why did Hamas claim responsibility for the kidnapping and killing of the three boys prior to their two operatives dying in the shoot-out with IDF ?

Missed this PC.

They didn't. They never claimed responsibility for it.

There were, as I recall, one or two of the perpetrators involved in it that had some VERY loose connection to the event were on the frignes of HAMAS, but it was not a Hamas plot or activity. It was some nasty murderous bastards, same as the settlers who burned a child alive in revenge.

When the BIbi Ruse was being played out that they were still alive, some exiled Palestinian folk were cheering it on, thinking it was a gambit to exchange them for some of the thousands of Palestinians in indefinite detention in israel, but alas, the boys were already dead and Bibi had his excuse to ditch peace talks and go back to murdering again. They basically did not know, as BIBI and Washington knew, that the boys were already dead within 24 hours of going missing. If you want to see the blatant lies of these israeli and MErkin politicians, watch their press conferences at the time. They knew they were dead, but obomba, fake tear in his eye, claiming he thought they were still alive. Morally corrupt and disgusting of course.

Interesting though that ISIS claimed responsibility for it, but that is nonsense, because, well, as we know, ISIS get medical treatment in the occupied Golan Heights from Israel and are not likely to bite the hand that feeds them. Most put this claim down to either ISIS wanting to pretend they are not supported by israel, which they are or Shin bet / Mossad wanting to claim that Hamas is ISIS making it up. Probably both.

They Never claimed responsibility ? Really Psuedo ? you had better read the link in my post 919 ,just one of a dozen or so links all saying they did ,want me to post em all?

No Piwi - you are wrong as usual. Those hamas guys you are blaming were trying to use it for political advantage.

They never claimed responsibility for the murder of those kids. Never. Also, look at the DATE of this claim. CBS/AP August 21, 2014, 3:24 PM
Gaza had already been under attack for over a month at that point.




now, once again,

why did'nt they fight for their rights when Gaza was under Egyptian Control and the West Bank Under the Jordanians pre 1967 ?

Why? What is your idea about this.

You must not be able to read , the article along with a dozen others all say the same the Senior Hamas leader claimed Hamas's responsibility for the kidnap and murder of the 3 Israeli boys, its all there in the link in my post 919 , carry on cos every one especially PeeCoffee must be veritably wetting his pants reading your denial .

Originally Posted by piwanoi

You must not be able to read , the article along with a dozen others all say the same the Senior Hamas leader claimed Hamas's responsibility for the kidnap and murder of the 3 Israeli boys, its all there in the link in my post 919 , carry on cos every one especially PeeCoffee must be veritably wetting his pants reading your denial .

No. Because Hamas never claimed responsibility for the murder of those kids. Some shite from CBS or the other apologist western media 2 months after the event, at a time when israel is finally being condemned for the bombing of 17 UN refugee Shelters is NOT Hamas saying they murdered 3 kids .


Anyway, scared little PIWI. Why are you scared of answering this?

why did'nt they fight for their rights when Gaza was under Egyptian Control and the West Bank Under the Jordanians pre 1967 ?

Why? You seem to know everything so share the light.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

You must not be able to read , the article along with a dozen others all say the same the Senior Hamas leader claimed Hamas's responsibility for the kidnap and murder of the 3 Israeli boys, its all there in the link in my post 919 , carry on cos every one especially PeeCoffee must be veritably wetting his pants reading your denial .

No. Because Hamas never claimed responsibility for the murder of those kids. Some shite from CBS or the other apologist western media 2 months after the event, at a time when israel is finally being condemned for the bombing of 17 UN refugee Shelters is NOT Hamas saying they murdered 3 kids .


Anyway, scared little PIWI. Why are you scared of answering this?

why did'nt they fight for their rights when Gaza was under Egyptian Control and the West Bank Under the Jordanians pre 1967 ?

Why? You seem to know everything so share the light.

That was MY question you clown ,you want me to answer my OWN question?

Remember the Golan Heights?



During the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, Syrian forces had surprised Israel and were fast approaching the edge of the steep Golan Heights, captured by Israel during the 1967 war. It seemed as if Syrian armor and infantry would retake Golan, then pour down into Israeli Galilee.

Soviet recon satellites observed Israel moving its nuclear-armed, 500km-range Jericho missiles out of protective caves and onto their launch pads. At the same time, Israel was seen loading nuclear bombs on their US-supplied F-4 fighter-bombers at Tel Nof airbase.

Believing Israel was about to use nuclear weapons against Syria and Egypt, Moscow put huge pressure on both to rein in their advancing forces. Damascus, already in range of Israeli artillery on Golan, ordered its armored forces on Golan to halt, allowing Israel to mount powerful counter-attacks and retake the strategic heights.

In 1981, Israel formally annexed the 580 sq. mile portion of Golan that it occupied. This illegal annexation was condemned by the United Nations, the United States and Europe’ powers. But Israel held on to Golan and implanted 50,000 there in some 41 subsidized settlements.

The world has pretty much forgotten how close it came to nuclear war in 1973 over Golan. The heights became a primary nuclear trigger point along with Kashmir, Germany’s Fulda Gap, and the DMZ, Korea’s inner border.

Golan recently resurfaced in the news when Israel’s rightwing prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, told Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, that his nation would never return Golan to Syria. In a speech soon after, Netanyahu vowed Israel would hold on to Golan for “all eternity.” He also admitted for the first time that Israel had made “dozens” of cross-border attacks on Syria.

The long basalt plateau is indeed a valuable prize. It extends from snow-capped, 9,200 ft. (2,814 meter Mt. Hermon in the north to the Sea of Galilee and Yarmouk River in the south. Golan supplies 15% of Israel’s scarce water and may contain gas or petroleum deposits.

Israeli artillery on Golan can hit Syria’s capitol Damascus; Israeli electronic sensors blanket Damascus and cover all Syrian military movement below. Having walked much of the Golan on both Syrian and Israeli-held sides, I can attest to its remarkable military importance and thick defenses.

After the 1967 war, Israel ethnically cleansed Golan, leveling the capital, Kuneitra, with bulldozers and expelled almost all Golan’s 130,000 Druze and Arab inhabitants. Jewish settlers were brought in to replace them. The US shielded Israel from UN action and world-wide protests.

Before 2011, Israel hinted that it would return Golan to Syria as part of a comprehensive peace agreement – provided Damascus ceased supporting Palestinian claims to their lost lands. But once the Syrian civil war conveniently began, there was no more talk of Golan.

In fact, it’s pretty much clear that Israel has been quietly fueling the Syrian conflict by discreet arms and logistics support to so-called “moderate” Syrian rebels and lobbying for the war in Washington and with the US media. Netanyahu has even said – with a straight face – that Israel cannot return Golan or even negotiate, until calm returns to Syria and Iraq.

Netanyahu is clearly following the grand strategy of the founder of his rightwing Likud Party, Zeev Jabotinsky, a militant Russian Zionist. Jabotinsky asserted that the Arab states were an artificial, fragile mosaic of inimical Arab tribes.

Hit them hard enough, claimed Jabotinsky, and they will shatter into small pieces, leaving Israel master of the Levant (central Arab world). The destruction of Iraq and Syria have confirmed Jabotinsky’s theory.

Accordingly, Israel is delighted to see Syria, a primary foe, lying in ruins as a result of a US, British, French, Turkish and Saudi-instigated civil war. Damascus is in no shape to demand the return of Golan, and the rest of the world does not care.

The destruction of Syria as a unitary state offers the expansionist Likud government many opportunities to extend influence into Syria – as was the case in Lebanon during its bloody 1975-1990 civil war. Or even carve off more Syrian territory “to protect Israel’s security.”

The words of Israel’s founding father, David Ben-Gurion, still resonate: the state of Israel is a work in progress and its borders should not be fixed or even defined. Notably the borders with Syria and Jordan.

The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Remember the Golan Heights?

Jerusalem Post Editorial: Sykes-Picot’s demise By JPOST EDITORIAL
05/15/2016
Sykes-Picot is not to blame for the disintegration of Syria, Iraq, Libya and Yemen, rather it is the autocratic nature of these countries’ political leaderships. One hundred years ago today Great Britain and France split between themselves spheres of influences in a disintegrating Ottoman Empire. The secret arrangement was called the Sykes-Picot Agreement.

Roughly speaking, it created the boundaries of the Levant as we know it.

But history seems to have taken its revenge on British diplomat Mark Sykes and his French counterpart, François Georges-Picot, who hammered out the agreement that bears their names.

Syria is gradually splintering into multiple entities. Iraq is fracturing along sectarian lines of its own. Shi’ite areas in southern Iraq close to the border with Kuwait are increasingly pressing for autonomy, with support from Iran. And Sunni tribes in Iraq have joined forces against the Assad regime, creating yet another distinct sectarian group in Iraq. Libya is no longer a single national entity and Yemen is being torn apart between Iran and Saudi Arabia. Even countries not created by Sykes-Picot such as Egypt are undergoing turmoil and instability.

It is no wonder that commentators, journalists and analysts of the Middle East – including the The Jerusalem Post’s editorial board – have for some time now declared the demise of Sykes-Picot.

Yet, among all the upheaval and bloodshed that we have witnessed in the region that has led to the breakdown of Sykes-Picot, there remains one oasis of stability: the State of Israel. And this is not a coincidence.

Part of the reason has to do with the national character of Israel. Unlike artificial national constructions such as Syria and Iraq that contain diverse populations, Israel was created for a specific people with a shared history, culture and religion. With all its internal conflicts – between religious and secular, Ashkenazi and Sephardi – there is nevertheless a common denominator that brings together the vast majority of Israelis.

But Israel’s relatively homogeneous population is only part of the explanation for its success. Much more significant is the fact that Israel remains the only democracy in the Middle East. The disintegration of the old order in the region is more about the failure of corrupt, inept and violent autocratic regimes than about contrived borders that ignored ethnic, sectarian and cultural differences.

Sykes-Picot is not to blame for the disintegration of Syria, Iraq, Libya and Yemen, rather it is the autocratic nature of these countries’ political leaderships.

The Syrian conflict began as an uprising by all Syrians – men and women, young and old, Sunni, Shi’ite, Kurdish and even Alawite – against an unfair, corrupt autocrat out of touch with or callous to his people’s aspirations. And this was true for Libyans, Egyptians, Tunisians, Yemenis, and Bahrainis as well in 2010 and 2011.

In the midst of this upheaval, Israel stands out as a beacon of stability, freedom and economic prosperity. An advanced military based on a people’s army that is committed to the highest level of ethical conduct is successful at incorporating a broad spectrum of diverse populations – including Beduin, Druse and Christians.

While Israel is a Jewish state with Jewish symbols and legislation that gives priority to Jews in areas such as immigration, the country’s democracy also protects the basic human rights of a large non-Jewish minority. All citizens enjoy equality before the law, freedom of speech, the right to vote and other basic democratic rights.

Israel’s dynamic economy offers all citizens economic opportunities on par with other advanced economies.

This is not to say that tensions do not exist with Israeli society. These tensions are, however, manageable within the framework of democratic give and take and do not threaten to tear apart the fabric of society.

In the near future as part of an end to the civil war tearing apart Syria, talk will turn to carving up territories that were once under the control of the Assad regime. A coastal region will most likely be delivered to those loyal to the Alawite Bashar Assad regime; another yet-to-be-determined swath of territory will fall under the control of Sunni opposition forces; and a Kurdish enclave with ties to north Iraq and Kurds in Turkey will probably be carved out as well.

Within the framework of such an arrangement, it is time that the world recognize Israel’s 1981 de facto annexation of the Golan Heights. A century after Sykes-Picot, no other country in the region has provided more proof of its stability.

Now is the time to recognize it.

Jerusalem Post Editorial: Sykes-Picot?s demise - Opinion - Jerusalem Post

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

Question: Why did Hamas claim responsibility for the kidnapping and killing of the three boys prior to their two operatives dying in the shoot-out with IDF ?

Missed this PC.

They didn't. They never claimed responsibility for it.

There were, as I recall, one or two of the perpetrators involved in it that had some VERY loose connection to the event were on the frignes of HAMAS, but it was not a Hamas plot or activity. It was some nasty murderous bastards, same as the settlers who burned a child alive in revenge.

When the BIbi Ruse was being played out that they were still alive, some exiled Palestinian folk were cheering it on, thinking it was a gambit to exchange them for some of the thousands of Palestinians in indefinite detention in israel, but alas, the boys were already dead and Bibi had his excuse to ditch peace talks and go back to murdering again. They basically did not know, as BIBI and Washington knew, that the boys were already dead within 24 hours of going missing. If you want to see the blatant lies of these israeli and MErkin politicians, watch their press conferences at the time. They knew they were dead, but obomba, fake tear in his eye, claiming he thought they were still alive. Morally corrupt and disgusting of course.

Interesting though that ISIS claimed responsibility for it, but that is nonsense, because, well, as we know, ISIS get medical treatment in the occupied Golan Heights from Israel and are not likely to bite the hand that feeds them. Most put this claim down to either ISIS wanting to pretend they are not supported by israel, which they are or Shin bet / Mossad wanting to claim that Hamas is ISIS making it up. Probably both.

They Never claimed responsibility ? Really Psuedo ? you had better read the link in my post 919 ,just one of a dozen or so links all saying they did ,want me to post em all?

No Piwi - you are wrong as usual. Those hamas guys you are blaming were trying to use it for political advantage.

They never claimed responsibility for the murder of those kids. Never. Also, look at the DATE of this claim. CBS/AP August 21, 2014, 3:24 PM
Gaza had already been under attack for over a month at that point.




now, once again,

why did'nt they fight for their rights when Gaza was under Egyptian Control and the West Bank Under the Jordanians pre 1967 ?

Why? What is your idea about this.

I asked the question ,now if you gonna keep claiming the fifth forget and we can move onto your insane claim that the Hamas did not accept responsibility for the deaths and kidnapping of the 3 Israeli teens .