Thread: Where will the next razor-wire border fence in Europe be built?

how embarrassing
being terrorized by D80 and his backward baseball cap

None of these guys have any respect for any authority.
Been like that for more than 1000 yrs in their own culture.
Allah is the only one they listen too.

That pic says it all. Refugees

Break out the machine guns.

Originally Posted by blue

how embarrassing
being terrorized by D80 and his backward baseball cap

Where's that?

^ Greece/Macedonia border, the other day

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35686104

YES FINALLY !!!!!



Balkan Countries Completely Seal Off Migrant Trail

Blocking of path comes as Turkey and European Union work to finish deal to stem crisis

ATHENS—The Balkan trail taken by migrants on their way from Greece was completely shut down Wednesday, officials from several countries said, adding to pressure on Europe to complete a deal with Turkey to stem the flow of people.
In recent weeks, Austria and Balkan countries to its south have coordinated a tightening of their borders, moves that have effectively limited the number of people able to continue north from Greece to fewer than a hundred a day. The restrictions have left tens of thousands of migrants stranded inside Greece after crossing the Aegean Sea from Turkey.
By Tuesday, Macedonia said it had completely closed its borders to migrants crossing from northern Greece—part of a chain reaction after further border restrictions in Slovenia prompted Serbia to effectively shut down its southern and eastern borders to anyone without a proper visa or passport. While Slovenia and Greece are part of the EU, Serbia and Macedonia, which lie between them, aren’t.
“Bearing in mind that the new regime is implemented by a member of the European Union (Slovenia), Serbia cannot afford to become a collection center for refugees,” Serbia’s Interior Ministry said late Tuesday.
Some 8,500 people are currently stranded in the Greek village of Idomeni, on the northern border with Macedonia, according to Greek officials, out of a total of some 36,500 migrants in the country.
A Macedonian government official said that its border checkpoint with Greece has been off limits to migrants since Tuesday, while Greek police said no refugee had left the country via Idomeni since Monday morning. EU leaders had anticipated the full closure of the Balkan trail at a summit in Brussels on Monday, saying that the illegal flow of migrants through southeastern Europe was coming to an end.
The leaders of the EU and Turkey agreed at the meeting on the outlines of a deal in which Ankara would take back migrants who arrive in Greece from Turkish shores, including Syrian refugees. But they cautioned they wouldn’t hammer out some important aspects of the accord until late next week.
The deal would operate under a one-for-one principle in which EU countries would take Syrian refugees from camps in Turkey for every Syrian refugee Turkey takes back from Greece.
In return, the EU agreed to speed up its work on Turkey’s EU membership application and Ankara’s bid for visa-free access for its citizens to the bloc. The EU is also set to increase the €3 billion ($3.3 billion) it had already committed to help Turkey cope.
Also on Wednesday, European governments approved a new emergency fund for humanitarian crises, which is most immediately aimed at helping Greece cope with the migrants stuck on its territory. The €700 million fund would be disbursed over the next three years, with €300 million for the first year potentially being sent in the coming days following European Parliament approval.
A spokeswoman for the European Commission, the bloc’s executive, said the Balkan border measures were in line with EU agreements to stop waving migrants through from one country to another. She said the commission was aware of the risk that new routes could open up and was in permanent consultations with countries in the region, including Albania, Bulgaria and Romania.
In response to the moves, Hungary extended a declaration of a crisis situation already in place in several border counties, increasing the number of police patrols and giving authorities more leeway to act.
The closure of the Balkan corridor “means for Hungary that we don’t know what reaction this will prompt from the illegal migrants already there,” Hungarian Interior Minister Sandor Pinter said at a news conference, expressing concern that migrants could try to travel through Hungary.
Hungary has had one of the most hawkish responses to the crisis. The route through Serbia, Croatia and Slovenia had become the main thoroughfare for migrants since Hungary closed off its borders with Serbia and Croatia last year with a razor-wire fence.
Hungary also plans to ensure nighttime lighting along its borders in the south and is ready to extend its razor-wire fence along its border with Romania within 10 days if needed, Mr. Pinter said.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by Neverna

Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary

21 February 2016

Police in Hungary say increasing numbers of migrants are breaching a razor wire fence built to stop them crossing the border from Serbia.

In January, 550 people were caught getting through - up from 270 in December. More than 1,200 were caught in the first 20 days of February.

The number of people crossing from Serbia dropped after Hungary built the fence along the 175km (110-mile) border with its neighbour last year.

But police say migrants are now increasingly getting through, mostly by cutting through or climbing over the barrier.

Europe migrant crisis: Razor wire fence failing in Hungary - BBC News

Most of those detained in Hungary after breaking through are from Pakistan, Iran and Morocco

Didums, just look at those helpless children and their moms!

Originally Posted by billy the kid

None of these guys have any respect for any authority.
Been like that for more than 1000 yrs in their own culture.
Allah is the only one they listen too.

That pic says it all. Refugees

Would these twats exchange themselves for two kids to enter? Would they fcuk! Probably left their kids behind.

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The germans have experience in building walls.

The English led by Roger Waters have experience in taking them down

This Turkish deal is illegal and betrays Europe’s values
Guy Verhofstadt

The refugee crisis won’t be solved by the EU signing a pact with an increasingly authoritarian regime
‘We should fast-track the establishment of a well-funded European border and coastguard service, capable of managing the EU’s external border and processing asylum claims, instead of relying on Turkey to do this for us.’
Thursday 10 March 2016 07.00 GMT

Our increasingly divided and desperate European leaders are failing to deliver an effective collective response to the escalating refugee crisis. Instead of devising a strategy to protect those fleeing the barbarity of Assad, Islamic State (Isis) and the Russian air force, EU leaders are obsessed with devising a system to “stem the flow” – in other words to push desperate refugees back into the Aegean sea.

At the EU-Turkey summit on Monday, the Turkish prime minister, Ahmed Davutoğlu, offered European leaders the illusory “quick fix’’ they sought, in return for a number of concessions. The basic principle of the “one in, one out” deal on offer is that any economic migrant or Syrian refugee trafficked to a Greek island will be forcibly returned to Turkey. For every Syrian sent back to Turkey from Greece, another Syrian would be accepted by EU countries and distributed under a quota scheme. It seems that both the EU and Ankara are willing to take the bait and a deal may be concluded next week, but Europe’s leaders should be careful what they wish for.


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There are a number of reasons why this approach is not just immoral, but fundamentally flawed. First, compulsory mass expulsions are, quite rightly, outlawed by the 1951 UN convention on refugees. This treaty has been signed and promoted by the EU. Article 19 of the EU’s own charter of fundamental rights specifically states that “collective expulsions are forbidden”. The UN has already made it clear that mass returns would not be consistent with international law. We know Turkey has an appalling human rights record and a non-functioning asylum system. There is even evidence that Turkey has been forcibly expelling Syrian refugees back into Syria. Does Europe really want to be responsible for an expansion of this?

Given that we are simultaneously paying Turkey money to stop the flow from Turkey to Greece, one can only conclude that EU leaders are now deliberately attempting to construct a system to ensure that Europe doesn’t have to take any more refugees despite our international obligations, including under the Geneva conventions, to do so. This is deeply wrong.

Other parts of the draft agreement with Turkey offer a number of concessions, including more money, accelerated accession talks and a visa waiver from June. These are also hugely problematic, given the deteriorating human rights situation in Turkey and its government’s brutal clampdown on the free press.

Just last week, we saw the appalling occupation of Turkey’s largest independent newspaper, Zaman. The EU’s priority should be to bring Turkey back from the verge of becoming an authoritarian regime and using the EU accession process, to which it is party, to cement human rights values and good governance.

Instead, by offering visa-free travel across Europe’s crumbling Schengen zone, we will be complicit in handing Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan a domestic political victory. Any agreement must include enforceable commitments from it to reverse its crackdown on media freedom and civil liberties.

Instead of trying to outsource our problems by signing up to a dodgy deal with Turkey, we should be working together to take matters into our own hands, by delivering three immediate actions. The first action we should take is to fast-track the establishment of a well-funded and well-resourced European border and coastguard service, capable of managing the European Union’s external border and processing asylum claims, instead of relying on Turkey to do this for us.

Instead of trying to outsource our problems, we should be working together to take matters into our own hands
Second, instead of giving Turkey billions of euros, this money should be given directly to the UNHCR, to provide education facilities and a humane existence to people stuck in the refugee camps. And we should be working much harder as a bloc to provide a political solution to the Syrian conflict and doing more to contain Russian military aggression, by agreeing enhanced EU sanctions against Moscow.

The European Union is a community of nations which, despite being ravaged by two world wars and divided by the cold war, managed to come together to deliver peace, security and prosperity for a generation. Despite its failings, the EU has broadly succeeded in these aims.


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One of the reasons for this is that the EU has never just been one giant internal market, as British prime minister David Cameron and many others would like it to become. It has been, and must continue to be, a community of nations where fundamental human rights are safeguarded and furthered. As much as it is a free trade area, it is a community of values.

We are mistaken if we think that Turkey can take away our problems or the refugee crisis; it cannot. Only a genuine European approach, based on solidarity and humanity can do this. Signing up to this cynical deal with Turkey will mean tearing up the very legal order Europe built from the rubble of the second world war. Drinking from Erdoğan’s poisoned chalice is not the solution.

This Turkish deal is illegal and betrays Europe?s values | Guy Verhofstadt | Opinion | The Guardian

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has blamed European nations for "unilaterally" shutting the Balkan route for migrants.

She said this had put Greece in a "very difficult situation" and such decisions should be taken by the whole of the EU.

Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, and non-EU members Serbia and Macedonia have all acted to stem the migrant flow.
The EU and Turkey, from where migrants reach Greece, have set out a plan to ease the crisis.

Under the proposals, hammered out at a summit in Brussels on Monday but still to be finalised, all migrants arriving in Greece from Turkey would be sent back. For each Syrian returned, a Syrian in Turkey would be resettled in the EU.

European Council President Donald Tusk has said the plan would spell the end of "irregular migration to Europe".
It is the worst such crisis in Europe since World War Two.

Migrant crisis: Merkel condemns closure of Balkan route - BBC News

^ Angela Merkel has to be the daftest bird in a whole box of birds, the EU.

Migrants trapped in muddy no man's land between Macedonia and Serbia




The closure of the Balkan route to migrants has left about 430 desperate people, mainly Syrians and Iraqis, trapped in a muddy no man's land between Macedonia and Serbia, unwilling to go back to Macedonia but barred from heading to Serbia or further north.




Persistent heavy rain has turned their makeshift camp of around 50 small tents provided by aid agencies into a quagmire and daytime temperatures are only around 5 degrees centigrade.


"Our children are dying. There is water all over, even under the tents ... Now it seems that the bombs in Syria look better than this misery. We are not animals," said Ibrahim Mardini, a 23-year-old student from Aleppo in Syria.

then

Macedonian authorities say they could go back to an established migrant camp less than 1 mile (1 km) away in Macedonia, but they refuse.

fuck um, hope is pisses it down some more




Migrants trapped in muddy no man's land between Macedonia and Serbia

Originally Posted by blue

Macedonian authorities say they could go back to an established migrant camp less than 1 mile (1 km) away in Macedonia, but they refuse.

And that's where their jihadist enterprise collapses in the face of reality, they refuse the help, demanding more.

Snakes bite the hands that feed them.

PM: Bulgaria, Fearing Migrant Wave, Set to Build Fence on Greece Border

SOFIA, BULGARIA—
Bulgaria is ready to build a fence on its border with Greece to keep out migrants amid fears they could head its way after the Western Balkan route was closed, Prime Minister Boiko Borisov said Friday.

Parliament last month voted to let Bulgaria's army assist police in guarding the European Union member's borders to avoid a refugee influx that has overwhelmed some neighboring countries. Bulgaria shares a border with Greece to its south that is about 500 kilometers (310 miles) long.

"The main threat is coming from the Greek border," Borisov told lawmakers Friday. "It is very long and unprotected, and our concern is that the Greek government did not take measures in recent months. We are ready to erect a barrier if necessary."

Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orban said that a fence should be erected on the Macedonian and Bulgarian borders with Greece to curb the inflow of migrants into Europe.

Earlier this month, Bulgaria and its neighbor Macedonia to the west held joint air and land operations along their common border to ensure control of it amid an increased flow of migrants.

On Thursday, Defense Minister Nikolay Nenchev requested an additional 1.5 million levs ($860,000) to provide essential equipment to army personnel taking part in border protection and control jointly with police.

In November 2013, Bulgaria started building a barbed wire fence along its border with Turkey. Almost 100 kilometers of the planned 166-kilometer fence have been erected.

PM: Bulgaria, Fearing Migrant Wave, Set to Build Fence on Greece Border

Where will the next razor-wire border fence in Europe be built?

Hopefully everywhere.

You bet.

I reckon the Schengen agreement only really benefits the rich, without it they'd have to que up with the great unwashed instead.