All American friends are possible targets

**machangezi** · 26-07-2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

Why does your OP refer to Americans as "friends" then?

Read the whole thread Hootad. If not at least read my posts.

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

Do you condone the killing of innocent American civilians?

I dont condone the killing of any innocents. you can count me as one of those Americans who care but are silent.

Originally Posted by Hootad Binky

If so, would you be willing to do it yourself?

This is the purpose of this thread. Just think from the view point of a person whose whole house was blown along with his family for no reason by the Americans or Brits. What would you do??

**stroller** · 26-07-2007, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

This is the purpose of this thread. Just think from the view point of a person whose whole house was blown along with his family for no reason by the Americans or Brits. What would you do??

I answered this already, what about yourself, Macha?

Would you kill Milkman or Hillbilly?

Would you plant a bomb in Nana Plaza, because there are many Americans there?

Would you liaise with Al-Quaeda for finding more effective ways to coordinate the killing of those American pigs and other infidels who support and applaud them?

**machangezi** · 26-07-2007, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by machangezi

This is the purpose of this thread. Just think from the view point of a person whose whole house was blown along with his family for no reason by the Americans or Brits. What would you do??

I answered this already, what about yourself, Macha?

Would you kill Milkman or Hillbilly?

Would you plant a bomb in Nana Plaza, because there are many Americans there?

Would you liaise with Al-Quaeda for finding more effective ways to coordinate the killing of those American pigs and other infidels who support and applaud them?

Would I kill Milkman or Hillbilly? Not even in my dreams bro. This whole thread is hypothetical and I was simply basing my answers/posts on it. God forbid if ever it happens to me, I think I'ma go out to fight the troops. Killing those punters at NEP is out of question. But hey, some head bangers might not think like me.

Unlike Ceburat, I still maintain that there's a difference b/w everyday American and the gov't. Ceburat was saying that they are the same. I, in return, asked him a simple question (If they are the same then all beheadings in Iraq are justified?) which he never replied to.

**obsidian** · 26-07-2007, 08:06 PM

i would kill hillbilly before milkman. a 'deliverance' bias.

**stroller** · 26-07-2007, 08:10 PM

^^
I am glad to read this, I was convinced you were raising a controversial topic to provoke thoughts.
Ceburat, on the other hand, sounds like he means it just as he says.

**barbaro** · 26-07-2007, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by obsidian

i would kill hillbilly before milkman. a 'deliverance' bias.

Thanks for the consideration.

Being the Second Banana isn't so bad after all.

Thanks to Macha for not killing me, too.

But seriously, this is a good thread. It's a generalized topic. The U.S. war machine has killed who knows how many in recent years, and I defintately am not surprised at the many in the Middle East and South Asia, and world seeing double standards.

Worthy Vs. Unworthy Victims

**Mr Earl** · 27-07-2007, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by machangezi

I dont condone the killing of any innocents. you can count me as one of those Americans who care but are silent.

Yet your failure to take a definitive stand against Hezbolah and Hamas speaks volumes.

That along with certain vernacular you choose to use perhaps reveals other desires.

**sabang** · 27-07-2007, 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by stroller

None of it equates to deliberately killing civilian nationals for reasons of revenge and retribution.

Got that right, Headmaster but is doesn't make good 'copy' for the American-bashers...

A lot of it did actually.

The term used now is 'the Secret war'. The main air bases used to carry out the bombing were in Ubon Ratchathani & Korat(southern Laos and Cambodia) and Udon Thani (northern Laos and Vietnam).

Whilst not directly 'supporting' the VC, the peasants did supply them with food, and allow them to go unhindered (not as if they had much choice really). In return, the VC were quite diligent about not upsetting their 'Hosts' by plundering and raping. Plus of course the Peasants were 'Commie', which means their existence didn't matter, and well beyond the reach of Western media.

So the Agent orange was not just used to defoliate forests to deprive the VC of cover, it was also used on rice paddies and orchards- a clear act of retribution against the locals. Many villages in neutral Laos and Cambodia were bombed also.

Do you realise that Laos has had more tonnage of bombs dropped on it than any country in world history? [ Maybe Iraq or Afghan will topple it soon]. The Plain of Jars in north eastern Laos is pockmarked with bomb craters, fragments and unexploded ordinance to this day. So one could hardly call it a military action directed solely at the VC, with some unfortunate collateral damage.

**barbaro** · 27-07-2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by machangezi

I dont condone the killing of any innocents. you can count me as one of those Americans who care but are silent.

Yet your failure to take a definitive stand against Hezbolah and Hamas speaks volumes.

That along with certain vernacular you choose to use perhaps reveals other desires.

I support Hamas and Hezbollah - two very different and distinct organizations.

They are just - Israel is not.

**machangezi** · 27-07-2007, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by machangezi

I dont condone the killing of any innocents. you can count me as one of those Americans who care but are silent.

Yet your failure to take a definitive stand against Hezbolah and Hamas speaks volumes.

That along with certain vernacular you choose to use perhaps reveals other desires.

They are actually fighting Israelies who has stolen their land. They tried the diplomatic channel but it failed several times. Wouldn't you do the same if ever any foreign army steals your land?

**Little Chuchok** · 27-07-2007, 12:52 PM

Well this is how I see it.For arguments sake,let's say that a British bloke murdered a member of your family.He was caught by the police and is doing a life sentence,so you can't touch him.

Now the murderers mum and dad are very nice people who are extremely sorry and apologetic etc, about what their son did.

Should you go after them for a bit of retribution?

**britmaveric** · 27-07-2007, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by machangezi

I dont condone the killing of any innocents. you can count me as one of those Americans who care but are silent.

Yet your failure to take a definitive stand against Hezbolah and Hamas speaks volumes.

That along with certain vernacular you choose to use perhaps reveals other desires.

They are actually fighting Israelies who has stolen their land. They tried the diplomatic channel but it failed several times. Wouldn't you do the same if ever any foreign army steals your land?

Actually Israelies were their first, might be ancient history, but they were their first.

**stroller** · 27-07-2007, 08:48 PM

"Israelis" didn't exist as such before the founding of Israel, but yeah, Jews claim their ancestors lived there a few thousand years ago - it says so in their holy book, and might well be true.

Maybe I should go and claim India and the Himalayas as my lands, because the Aryans where there first?

**britmaveric** · 27-07-2007, 09:26 PM

Well my point is past history is irrelevant and not a valid argument for Palestinians. If case be told some of their territory is occupied by other arab countries, but don't see those countries giving any land back.

**sabang** · 27-07-2007, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Originally Posted by machangezi

I dont condone the killing of any innocents. you can count me as one of those Americans who care but are silent.

Yet your failure to take a definitive stand against Hezbolah and Hamas speaks volumes.

That along with certain vernacular you choose to use perhaps reveals other desires.

They are actually fighting Israelies who has stolen their land. They tried the diplomatic channel but it failed several times. Wouldn't you do the same if ever any foreign army steals your land?

Actually Israelies were their first, might be ancient history, but they were their first.

Actually they weren't.
The Canaanites were there first.

**sabang** · 27-07-2007, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Well my point is past history is irrelevant and not a valid argument for Palestinians. If case be told some of their territory is occupied by other arab countries, but don't see those countries giving any land back.

On the contrary. The Israelites land was known as Judea. Modern Israel encompasses Judea, Samaria, and some surrounding areas that were part of neither.

**HermantheGerman** · 28-07-2007, 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by machangezi

Today I went to a Paki restaurant where I had a lil chit chat with other Pakis who were having lunch there. They are all well educated and up to the western standards that qualify them as human beings! While having lunch someone talked about the statement that a white house spokesman gave a day ago. According to the white house spokesman "US is planning of direct action in tribal areas of Pakistan (NWFP).

I felt good to see them denouncing the fuckwit Mullahs who time and again encourage the general masses to kill the Westerners. One of them said something that really got me thinking. He asked "what would you guys do if one of the American missiles miss the target and land in your house, as it usually does?" For a while there was a pin drop silence but then the silence broke when one of them said "if any of my family members get hurt (forget being killed by those so called precision bombs), all Americans (soldiers and civilians) anywhere on earth are targets.

Let's put yourself in his shoes, walk a mile and then tell us what would you do in such situation? Should they be targeted (soldiers and civilians)? Who should be held responsible for deaths of Paki civilians, who have got nothing to do with al qaieda, and should Pakis do the same - target American civilians?

Let's see what you lot have got to say on this issue?

WOW!
Great point!
Let's look at this at the other way.
Pakistan has been taken over by a gang of ragheads.
Thouse who: " are all well educated and up to the western standards that qualify them as human beings" have lost everything and are now crying for help. Those like you who have a good education earned from the west, who have a good amount of money in there piggy bank are NOW worried about Paki future will do what...........
When the RAGHEADS take over...who ARE YOU going to cry for?

U N C L E S A M !!

and lets be honest.... the well educated don't give a shit about the peasants !!!!!

**machangezi** · 29-07-2007, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by machangezi

Today I went to a Paki restaurant where I had a lil chit chat with other Pakis who were having lunch there. They are all well educated and up to the western standards that qualify them as human beings! While having lunch someone talked about the statement that a white house spokesman gave a day ago. According to the white house spokesman "US is planning of direct action in tribal areas of Pakistan (NWFP).

I felt good to see them denouncing the fuckwit Mullahs who time and again encourage the general masses to kill the Westerners. One of them said something that really got me thinking. He asked "what would you guys do if one of the American missiles miss the target and land in your house, as it usually does?" For a while there was a pin drop silence but then the silence broke when one of them said "if any of my family members get hurt (forget being killed by those so called precision bombs), all Americans (soldiers and civilians) anywhere on earth are targets.

Let's put yourself in his shoes, walk a mile and then tell us what would you do in such situation? Should they be targeted (soldiers and civilians)? Who should be held responsible for deaths of Paki civilians, who have got nothing to do with al qaieda, and should Pakis do the same - target American civilians?

Let's see what you lot have got to say on this issue?

WOW!
Great point!
Let's look at this at the other way.
Pakistan has been taken over by a gang of ragheads.
Thouse who: " are all well educated and up to the western standards that qualify them as human beings" have lost everything and are now crying for help. Those like you who have a good education earned from the west, who have a good amount of money in there piggy bank are NOW worried about Paki future will do what...........
When the RAGHEADS take over...who ARE YOU going to cry for?

U N C L E S A M !!

and lets be honest.... the well educated don't give a shit about the peasants !!!!!

WHAT??

Do you mean what will I do if Pakland is taken over by ragheads??

**Boon Mee** · 29-07-2007, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by machangezi

WHAT??
Do you mean what will I do if Pakland is taken over by ragheads??

Well, the beach in Goa is always nice this time of year...

**HermantheGerman** · 29-07-2007, 01:25 PM

WHAT??
Do you mean what will I do if Pakland is taken over by ragheads??

I'am sure you have read the news lately.
Pakistan has a severe problem, should the ragheads take over the region, there will be BIG trouble. (aahemm don't forget to blame Israel for all this)

To avoid the problem of your question in this thread:

All troops leave Afghanistan and Iraq !
Leave Pakistan alone.

**stroller** · 29-07-2007, 01:38 PM

By "ragheads", in this context, you mean who or which organisation exactly?

And yes, this is moving off-topic.

**HermantheGerman** · 29-07-2007, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by stroller

By "ragheads", in this context, you mean who or which organisation exactly?

And yes, this is moving off-topic.

Does radical/hardliners muslims sound better.

Maybe this is a bit off topics but doesn't it always happen.
Maybe this thread should be called "what if" or "how far will you revenge/agression go". For that matter I want to make also an "what if" scenario.

Let's say the Vatican was blown up and the Pope was killed by radical muslims. How will the world (christians) react?

Now let's say a radical christian blows up Mecca. How will muslims react arround the world.

Who's revenge/agression will be greater. Keeping in mind that blowing up Buddha Statues, Churches and the shooting of the Pope has already occured.

**stroller** · 29-07-2007, 02:30 PM

...and the destruction of Mosques.

Well, the Iraq invasion was, in a way, the revenge of the US and its allies for 9/11.
That's not the official policy, but if you listen to comments of US citizens and Brits, for example, retribution does play a part.

If you can't get those responsible directly, go for those you think are associated with them.

**machangezi** · 29-07-2007, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Let's say the Vatican was blown up and the Pope was killed by radical muslims. How will the world (christians) react?

You don't know?? We all saw America bombing Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11 where the Terrorists attacked the twin towers and Pentagon. That was the reaction of the Christians, wasn't it??

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Now let's say a radical christian blows up Mecca. How will muslims react arround the world.

They will burn some effigies(sp?) burn some shops and stuff like that..... then they will all calm down after some time just the way they forgot Iraq and Afghanistan.

What's the point of these questions??

**machangezi** · 29-07-2007, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Pakistan has a severe problem, should the ragheads take over the region, there will be BIG trouble. (aahemm don't forget to blame Israel for all this)

Why are the YIDS to be blamed?? I didn't say anything about Israel in this thread as far as I can remember.

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