Thread: All American friends are possible targets

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by ceburat

Originally Posted by blackpanther

Originally Posted by blackgang

Hezbollah fighters only fire rockets from populated areas that is home to many civillians and only have their bases and compounds and seek out fire fights in populated areas

so they should play the queensbury rules?

expose youselves lads to our superior firepower so we can wipe yer dirty filty upsurgent (ain't that a new word for freedom fighter btw??) ass off the earth!!!!!!


ya got them all in one bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They should not play by the queensbury rules. What they should do is quit hiding behind women and children to do their dirty work, hoping that no one would fire back. When the enemy does fire back they cry - you shot innocent women and children, not, you shot back at the enemy. All blood shed from this type of fighting is directly on the hands on the fighters hiding behind the women and children.

Utter bullshit! Haven't you heard Hassan Nasrullah's speech when Israel invaded? He openly challenged Israeli forces. He asked the Israelies not to target civilian population (but Israel put it the other way round that civilians are killed cos Hezbollah fighters are hiding behind women and children). He called for a man to man fight on ground which Israel never responded to. Now you don't want me to upload the news?

You are right Macha. I never read what Hassan Nasrullah said. He only speaks bull shit so why should I read it.

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by ceburat

Which "religion" needs to be convinced? You already know the answer to that one.

Yes, I know your answer to that.
Maybe it's not the religion itself, but some of its misguided followers, who need to be talked out of medieval sentiments like "an eye for an eye"?

Medieval sentiments? Mind suggesting any solution to the US aggression then? Are you suggesting we should offer an eye to uncle sam and when it's chopped off we offer another then our arses?

There is no US agression so I have no solution. If people/countries/whoever would leave the US alone they would not have the US shooting up their backyard.

Originally Posted by machangezi

..... and if it's not about eye for an eye then why do we see the whole American army inside Afghanistan? Aren't they their to take revenge?

By the way, IMO the Americans need a lesson (although I am not a supporter of war) for invading a country on false grounds. I am talking about Weapons of Mass Disgrace (WMDs)!

In Afghanistan there is only a small portion of the U. S. Army.

Originally Posted by machangezi

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By the way, IMO the Americans need a lesson (although I am not a supporter of war) for invading a country on false grounds. I am talking about Weapons of Mass Disgrace (WMDs)!

Not because I am an American, but, it is better to leave the US alone. Forget teaching lessons or revenge. Remember Japan? American Resolve. Want to become a vapor? Not nice but .... Maybe the world would survive and may not.

America went to war with bad information as did other countries. Hopefully those responsible will get what is comming in the way of justice.

Originally Posted by ceburat

it is better to leave the US alone

i think the US will reap what they have sown in their response to the attacks. over-enthusuastic foreign policy combined with rampant neglect of the wider muslim worlds human rights will not be forgotten in our lifetimes.

Originally Posted by ceburat

America went to war with FORGED information as did other countries. Hopefully those responsible will NEVER get what is comming in the way of justice.

I agreed.

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Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by ceburat

Which "religion" needs to be convinced? You already know the answer to that one.

Yes, I know your answer to that.
Maybe it's not the religion itself, but some of its misguided followers, who need to be talked out of medieval sentiments like "an eye for an eye"?

Medieval sentiments? Mind suggesting any solution to the US aggression then? Are you suggesting we should offer an eye to uncle sam and when it's chopped off we offer another then our arses?

The scenario you presented in your OP is that of someone's family being killed by accident.
You have quickly moved into your customary anti-American polemic from there.

Curious, how quickly you are prepared to drop the peace-message you so proudly like to present in other threads.

About as schizoid as Ceburat's comments.

The Jihadist arguement goes that American civilians pay taxes and democratically elect their military leader so are therefore directly accountable for the U.S's actions.

Originally Posted by mad_dog

The Jihadist arguement

Did they have Thai's write up their manifesto using their special brand of logic?

Originally Posted by stroller

The scenario you presented in your OP is that of someone's family being killed by accident.

Indeed.

Another 'accident' in Iraq yesterday.

Originally Posted by Spin

Originally Posted by mad_dog

The Jihadist arguement

Did they have Thai's write up their manifesto using their special brand of logic?

Did you know there are Islamic extremists who have tried to kill Osama Bin Laden for being a false, liberal, too moderate, Muslim?

Originally Posted by stroller

You have quickly moved into your customary anti-American polemic from there.

Yep..sure is a lot of that going around...

Originally Posted by Milkman

Indeed.

Another 'accident' in Iraq yesterday.

A different situation, to which I have a different opinion.
What I found fascinating about this topic, is that it initially described a very specific scenario from a personal perspective, thank you, Macha.

Unfortunately, it quickly moved into the usual general Islam, US, Iraq/Afghanistan rhetoric.

I am bored.

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Did you know there are Islamic extremists who have tried to kill Osama Bin

No MD, didn't know that but this Osama guy sure does play a mean game of hide and seek so i'm not surprised they havent managed it yet

Originally Posted by britmaveric

Originally Posted by mad_dog

The Jihadist arguement goes that American civilians pay taxes and democratically elect their military leader so are therefore directly accountable for the U.S's actions.

Well if u want to use that tactic - those aiding/assisting these nutters (islamic radicals) are directly responsible for their actions too, so they are faire game also.

I agree

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by Milkman

Indeed.

Another 'accident' in Iraq yesterday.

A different situation, to which I have a different opinion.
What I found fascinating about this topic, is that it initially described a very specific scenario from a personal perspective, thank you, Macha.

Unfortunately, it quickly moved into the usual general Islam, US, Iraq/Afghanistan rhetoric.

I am bored.

It was hypothetical scenario and it still is, IMO. Unfortunately, it has turned to Islam/American bashing but what else could be done.

In almost all cases, the US is interferring with Muslims not the other way round.

I find it funny to read Ceburat's post that people/countries need to leave the US alone. Ceburat are you saying Iraq shouldn't have invaded America on false grounds? Are you saying that Iran should not interfere with the US nuclear program? Are you saying that Iraq should stop looking for Weapons of Mass Disgrace (WMDs) in the US?

Sure the towel heads should leave the US alone.

Originally Posted by stroller

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Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by ceburat

Which "religion" needs to be convinced? You already know the answer to that one.

Yes, I know your answer to that.
Maybe it's not the religion itself, but some of its misguided followers, who need to be talked out of medieval sentiments like "an eye for an eye"?

Medieval sentiments? Mind suggesting any solution to the US aggression then? Are you suggesting we should offer an eye to uncle sam and when it's chopped off we offer another then our arses?

The scenario you presented in your OP is that of someone's family being killed by accident.
You have quickly moved into your customary anti-American polemic from there.

Curious, how quickly you are prepared to drop the peace-message you so proudly like to present in other threads.

About as schizoid as Ceburat's comments.

I have no disliking for Americans whatsoever. The only problem I have is with the American gov't, with their foreign policy that encourages them to interefere in others business, with their double standard (Palestinian conflict comes to mind), with their continuous lies (Iraqi WMDs comes to mind), with their policy to dictate others (Iran comes to mind) etc etc.

I have always been a supporter of peace. The only thing I said in this thread is "I think the only solution to all these problems is blood for blood and eye for an eye" as all other tactics failed (you know it). There seems to be no solution to stop the US from interferring with others business.

Now I have a question for you and anyone who likes to answer.

What in your opinion should be done to stop the US from interferring with others affairs?

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

(This may be goping off-topic, and if so, I apologize)

Several years ago, I had the privilege to work in Hanoi for almost a year. One thing that impressed me was how the Vietnamese have avoided the hatred for Americans that they perhaps would have been justified in feeling. When asked why they didn't dislike Americans, the answer was usually something like "we were at war with the US government, not the US public". A very clever way of looking at the past, IMHO and something both the US and the Pakistanis (and many other Muslims) could benefit from taking to their hearts. Unfortunately both sides are too ignorant and brainwashed to listen to common sense.

Trans-generational revenge seems a lot more prevalent in the Middle East and the Muslim subcontinent than in Southeast Asia. There are clans in Afghanistan that will kill some poor farmer because his ancestors raped one of their women 100 years earlier. I never heard of this long memory for revenge in Southeast Asia, even in Cambodia after Pol Pot. I wonder if the Buddhist influence, a feeling that Karma will punish the morally retarded for many lifetimes, has something to do with it?

Originally Posted by floorpotato

Trans-generational revenge seems a lot more prevalent in the Middle East and the Muslim subcontinent than in Southeast Asia. There are clans in Afghanistan that will kill some poor farmer because his ancestors raped one of their women 100 years earlier. I never heard of this long memory for revenge in Southeast Asia, even in Cambodia after Pol Pot. I wonder if the Buddhist influence, a feeling that Karma will punish the morally retarded for many lifetimes, has something to do with it?

Good point - it never ceases to amaze how those who claim to believe in an almighty God (be they Muslim or Christians) always seem so intent on doing His work (as perceived or interpreted by themselves) for Him. After all, if there really is a judgement day, surely whatever punishment we mortals could meter out to the sinners today would just pale in comparison to what God/Allah will provide (plenty of examples in the holy books for those who are interested), so why even bother?

To me it just proves that despite what they say, they are actually not too secure in their faith. If they are wrong, they are missing out on an awful lot of fun right now - which I suspect is why they get so pissed off with us "sinners".

Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by stroller

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Originally Posted by machangezi

Originally Posted by stroller

Originally Posted by ceburat

Which "religion" needs to be convinced? You already know the answer to that one.

Yes, I know your answer to that.
Maybe it's not the religion itself, but some of its misguided followers, who need to be talked out of medieval sentiments like "an eye for an eye"?

Medieval sentiments? Mind suggesting any solution to the US aggression then? Are you suggesting we should offer an eye to uncle sam and when it's chopped off we offer another then our arses?

The scenario you presented in your OP is that of someone's family being killed by accident.
You have quickly moved into your customary anti-American polemic from there.

Curious, how quickly you are prepared to drop the peace-message you so proudly like to present in other threads.

About as schizoid as Ceburat's comments.

I have no disliking for Americans whatsoever. The only problem I have is with the American gov't, with their foreign policy that encourages them to interefere in others business, with their double standard (Palestinian conflict comes to mind), with their continuous lies (Iraqi WMDs comes to mind), with their policy to dictate others (Iran comes to mind) etc etc.

I have always been a supporter of peace. The only thing I said in this thread is "I think the only solution to all these problems is blood for blood and eye for an eye" as all other tactics failed (you know it). There seems to be no solution to stop the US from interferring with others business.

Now I have a question for you and anyone who likes to answer.

What in your opinion should be done to stop the US from interferring with others affairs?

Macha, there is no American Aggression. You lie when you say you have nothing against America and when you say you do not dislike Americans. Do you really think there is a difference between the U.S. Government and the people. How in the hell do you think the government came to be?

Americans are the policemen of the world, like it or not. I don't like it and I know you don't like it, but, just what do you think you can do about it??

When a terrorist kills one hundred innocent people you just have one hundred more wrongs that don't make a right.

Americans have never killed innocent people on purpose. By accident, I am sure they have. That is why caring fathers, husbands, governments move their dependent women and children away from the fighting. Only fools leave them in the line of fire.

In answer to your question. There is no interferring so NOTHING.