Thread: The future of the EU

Oh dear , bang goes our retirement plans to Spain !

If that is gonna happen then there is no way the UK is gonna remain within the EU at the promised upcoming referendum

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

If that is gonna happen then there is no way the UK is gonna remain within the EU at the promised upcoming referendum

That can only be good news for the rest of us. A welcome farewell to the Costa del Chav. England for the English leaves the rest of the world for the rest of us. A win-win situation.

Originally Posted by david44

Numerous reports today show the price of Turkish co-operation.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ba4ce...#axzz3okpgOOCU

Turkey with a growing population of 77million may be offered fast track to full membership the muslim members will become a block of 100 million plus.

The EU would "gain" land frontiers with such enticing neighbours as Syria,Iraq,Iran and a sliver of the Naxçıvan enclave of Azerbaijan and pro NATO Georgia.

It would gain a lot of new refugees too.

I couldn't get your link to open, david44, but here's one that I could read.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ba4ce796-7...4767162cc.html

Originally Posted by Neverna

Originally Posted by david44

Numerous reports today show the price of Turkish co-operation.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ba4ce...#axzz3okpgOOCU

Turkey with a growing population of 77million may be offered fast track to full membership the muslim members will become a block of 100 million plus.

The EU would "gain" land frontiers with such enticing neighbours as Syria,Iraq,Iran and a sliver of the Naxçıvan enclave of Azerbaijan and pro NATO Georgia.

It would gain a lot of new refugees too.

I couldn't get your link to open, david44, but here's one that I could read.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ba4ce796-7...4767162cc.html

Thanks maybe it only works for subscribers.

Whether Turkey becomes a full member or not almost 80 million people almost all muslim are to be allowed visa free access

While Europe has suddenly become far more forthcoming in its relations with Mr Erdogan, senior ministers admit that Ankara’s terms, including visa liberalisation, may ultimately be impossible for them to deliver. François Hollande, the French president, stressed any new visa rights or headway in Turkey’s membership talks would be contingent on Ankara meeting conditions.

“We insisted that this visa liberalisation will happen on an extremely precise and monitored basis . . . I insisted on this so that there is no misunderstanding or ambiguity,” he said.

Perhaps the most sensitive issue among member states is visa liberalisation. Turkey is the only EU membership candidate not given visa benefits, a perceived injustice Mr Erdogan would want fixed before he fully enacts a “readmission” deal to take back Syrians illegally entering the EU.

The existing “road map” with the EU foresees visa liberalisation as soon as 2017 but it is full of difficult political and technical conditions, including the effective recognition of Cyprus. While Brussels insists the conditions would not be watered down, it wants the process accelerated to 2016.

Before the migration crisis, France and Germany opposed such liberalisation; senior ministers still make clear in private that giving such rights to Turks may be impossible to sell to their voters.

Every other shop in Colchester now is a Turkish barbers open 7 days a week , cheap haircuts ruined the livelihoods of established hairdressers who have been there for years.

I won't use em , I don't fancy some muzzie going round my neck with a cut throat

Turkey, a secular country supposedly? Another Greece in waiting, another southern European imbalance in the USE.
Short cut the entry requirements and give them access to cheap loans. That worked really well for Greece didn't it.
The current EU will surely implode even without the current immigration issues, It should remove wastage and the north south disparity by returning to the free trade organisation it was originally designed to be.
The countries of the EU are too diverse and too far removed from the ideal of a socialist nirvana that Germany and France want to enforce. One size regulation does not fit all.

With a bit of luck, the recent overtures to Turkey will just be warm and soothing words but not much else.

Turkey should be Wild and just be for Christian festivals and Thanks giving

Originally Posted by taxexile

the slow maturing of mixed cultures that results in acceptance, assimilation and compromise over generations.

I think so. This is what the States typically credits for our relatively peaceful immigrant assimilation.

Not quite sure why that creature blubbing away because her benefits are being stopped has anything to do with us leaving the EU ?

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

promised upcoming referendum

That will be fixed in the same way that the Scottish one was. There's no way the powers that be will let the UK exit. caMORON will fake some deal or other, but will in fact destroy the UK armed forces to enter into the EUROPEAN army.

THe immigration will escalate, and the reason for it is to break down nation states.

Everything you see and complain about today was planned and written down decades ago. This is the plan coming to fruition.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

promised upcoming referendum

That will be fixed in the same way that the Scottish one was. There's no way the powers that be will let the UK exit. caMORON will fake some deal or other, but will in fact destroy the UK armed forces to enter into the EUROPEAN army.

THe immigration will escalate, and the reason for it is to break down nation states.

Everything you see and complain about today was planned and written down decades ago. This is the plan coming to fruition.

But remember that the Scottish fix was followed by the Con's total loss in Scotland at the general election.
Similarly, an EU referendum fix could soon cost Cameron his job and/or split the Cons into 2 parties...pro and anti EU.