Thread: New crisis in Europes

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by Neo

Human migration is as old as time, it is inexorable.

It is and not all in the same direction.
From 1815 to 1932, 60 million people left Europe. As a result, on the eve of World War One, 38% of the world’s total population was of European ancestry.

Over time, the movement of populations is perfectly normal and natural. When the nimby's understand that, it becomes easier to deal with it.

Mass rapid migrations are difficult for all concerned. Just try to understand the reasons behind it and make the experience a positive one, instead of imagining the worst possible scenario in every case.

Comparing migration from 1815/1932 to 2015 is idiotic.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ fuck that but the Germans will lay down and passively take it up the ass.

The Germans have the space, the jobs and the requirement for young workers/taxpayers. Many other European countries do not have the same requirement. Whether it will be good for the existing Germans is another thing.

^ Have to disagree and agree with the below:

Ex-Interior Minister Hans-Peter Friedrich has said in a statement:

We have lost controll ! We are not thinking ahead.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Churchill was drinking too much - which is understandable - and Roosevelt had dementia. So europe was given away to foks like Russians and French.

Possibly the presence of the Red Army halfway across Europe had something to do with the "give away".

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by Neo

Human migration is as old as time, it is inexorable.

It is and not all in the same direction.
From 1815 to 1932, 60 million people left Europe. As a result, on the eve of World War One, 38% of the world’s total population was of European ancestry.

Over time, the movement of populations is perfectly normal and natural. When the nimby's understand that, it becomes easier to deal with it.

Mass rapid migrations are difficult for all concerned. Just try to understand the reasons behind it and make the experience a positive one, instead of imagining the worst possible scenario in every case.

Comparing migration from 1815/1932 to 2015 is idiotic.

To ignore the history of diaspora and the resons behind it is equally foolish. Will you be castigating the Germans for their pragmatism, or congratulating the Turks for their geographical prescience?

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Churchill was drinking too much - which is understandable - and Roosevelt had dementia. So europe was given away to foks like Russians and French.

Possibly the presence of the Red Army halfway across Europe had something to do with the "give away".

Quite possibly. Do you know what Russian troops did, what Allied troops did not do, to people living there?

Refugees: Welcome! And Now What? | ZEIT ONLINE

Welcome! And Now What?

How many refugees are coming, what they are doing with Europe – and what we are doing with them. von Jochen Bittner, Andrea Böhm, Marc Brost, Peter Dausend, Bastian Hosan, Martin Klingst, Matthias Krupa, Jörg Lau, Elisabeth Niejahr, Gero von Randow, Mark Schieritz, Özlem Topçu, Bernd Ulrich und Heinrich Wefing

Refugees – this is just the beginning How often do we want to let ourselves be surprised? How often do we want to say we didn’t know how many refugees were coming? Europe finally woke up in April when a boat with 800 people aboard capsized in the Mediterranean. But no one expected the hundreds of thousands who stand before the gates today. Because everyone refused to believe it. It was clear food and hope were dwindling in the Lebanese and Turkish refugee camps. And today? How many more will come to us?

Hardly an hour from Beirut, in the Beqaa Valley, are where the first refugee camps can be found. Syrians who fled the civil war in their home country live in improvised tent cities around Deir el Ahmar, Zahlé and the Akkar district. There are satellite dishes between the tents, and many people there have access to the Internet. All of them see the images of the major refugee route in the direction of Europe. They also see the emotional scenes from Munich’s main train station, the applauding volunteers, the arriving passengers who are handed fruit, the children who are given teddy bears.

According to the United Nations’ refugee agency (UNHCR), about 1 million Syrians have fled to Lebanon. Almost 2 million have reached safety in Turkey, about 600,000 in Jordan and 250,000 in Iraq. In all, more than 4 million people have fled from Syria to neighboring countries. And many of them are wondering how long they should stay there. "Actually," said a Syrian in Beirut, "anyone who still is here is nuts."

The photo taken on a Turkish beach of drowning victim Aydan Kurdi, a 3-year-old Syrian boy, deterred some Syrians in Lebanon from making their way to Europe, especially those with small children. But many others are ready to go or are already underway. The current price demanded by human smugglers for the illegal passage is $2,000. The journey via regular ship is from the northern Lebanese port city of Tripoli to Turkey. The ships have been booked days and weeks in advance.

Wealthier Syrians, including many supporters of the country’s president, Bashar al-Assad, flee legally through Beirut to Turkey and make their way from there. Several newspapers have reported that escorts on these routes have to hold their passengers back from stealing the life vests.

Non-governmental organizations increasingly are lamenting the exodus of their best employees in Syria: Doctors, psychologists and teachers are going to Europe because they can no longer keep themselves afloat financially. Or because they have no more strength and hope. It’s a vicious circle. If they leave, the treatment of people in Syria continues to worsen, which in turn strengthens the exodus.

The Danish government has placed ads in Arabic in Lebanese newspapers; the ads aim to discourage emigration to Europe.

But it’s actually the images from Europe that accelerate the departures. The primary reasons are the increasingly worse situation in Syria and the heightened pressure on the refugees in neighboring countries. The Lebanese government is no longer extending the residency status of refugees, the army has cleaned out several camps in recent weeks – presumably because they expect spillover of the fighting near the Syrian border. In addition, U.N. organizations increasingly have less money to take care of Syrians in refugee camps. The monthly food voucher from the World Food Program was $30 per month per person last year, but now it’s $13.50. All of that pushes more and more people toward Europe.

When you speak with government representatives in Berlin these days, they say in confidence that the divvying up of the asylum-seekers among the E.U. nations isn’t the biggest problem. Much more important, they say, is discouraging the people remaining in refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon and Turkey from making their way to Europe. If those refugees were to come, it would overshadow everything we’ve experienced so far.

How many refugees will still come? No one wants to commit themselves to an answer. "With numbers, even with approximate estimations, one only gets burned," said Stefan Telöken, spokesman for UNHCR Germany. But officials at the refugee agency are talking about a "turning point."

It’s very possible that the hundreds of thousands now will quickly become millions, and that these summer weeks weren’t an exception but rather a beginning.

The one answer to this crush is isolation. Prime Minister Viktor Orbán of Hungary is therefore building a fence on the border of his nation and Serbia. The fence should be completed in a couple of weeks. Then the onslaught of refugees to his country will be over, Mr. Orbán said. He is a right-wing populist and Hungarian, which most people in Europe, of course, are not. But who doesn’t occasionally catch themselves having some fear or nourishing the faint hope that the barbed wire might somehow work?

But fences alone do not stop people. Borders must be guarded by army forces or by guns rigged to fire when a triggering mechanism is tripped by passersby. Hungary knows that. Germany too. But who wants to imagine a European army firing on refugees? The European Union would shoot itself. And images of such deployments would set off an outcry in Europe, just as the images of the drowning victims in the Mediterranean made clear the deadly consequences of isolation and eventually forced greater preparedness to take refugees in, not less.

But even if the fantasy of isolation were to become a reality on the Hungarian border, the migrants will react to that. They will not turn back, but will search for ways around it. All of the experience from the past months indicates that new routes will quickly be established. And one only has to look at a map to guess where they will go. If more people continue to get in boats and risk crossing the Mediterranean, they will try to circumvent Hungary, presumably through the E.U. member nations Croatia and Slovenia.

Top officials in Brussels and Berlin are already wondering if the affected nations are prepared for the people who will come there. Will there soon also be scenes in Zagreb and Ljubljana similar to those in Budapest? Will Croatia also eventually build a fence?

The truth is not that the more people who want to come, the more fences we need. But rather, the more people come, the less the fences help.

The causes for fleeing – comfort in a distant future

The fence -- that is the evil illusion. A good alternative sounds more cumbersome but also more forgiving: fighting the causes for why people flee their homelands. The idea is actually just as compelling as it is right to help people in need to set up their world so that they can stay. Only, how far away are we from being able to address even one of those causes?

Who also has a realistic idea about how the civil war in Syria will end? Who has a plausible plan for how to stop the so-called Islamic State (IS) – and the means to do it? Who in Germany would like to mull over a military intervention, even just in outline? Who knows how to pacify Iraq? Or to bring democracy to the northeastern Africa nation of Eritrea?

The opposite is still happening in and around Syria: The result is an expansion of the causes for fleeing – all the way to Turkey. Turkey is the frontline and buffer nation in the crisis region and is falling more and more into chaos itself.

By taking in about 2 million refugees from Syria, the Turks have done the most to alleviate the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of today. The Europeans have not thanked the Turks, although they are the greatest beneficiaries. Fear is growing that the frontline nation is crumbling.

The increasing repression of Kurds is leading to civil war-like conditions in Turkey, and with a wave of arrests of liberal journalists, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has created an atmosphere domestically that sooner or later can trigger centrifugal forces in Turkey. Domestic politics in Turkey are giving the millions of people in refugee camps more reasons on a daily basis to move on.

Perhaps fighting the reasons for fleeing can someday alleviate the pressure to migrate toward Europe. But this process has still not even started.

Excuses – How Europe is fleeing from itself

And Europe? It seems to exist in two forms. One, seen in the Hungarian barbed-wire, on the trail of the mass exodus and in makeshift accommodations, is a harsh reality. Suffering, freezing and crying exist there. The other Europe is as soft as a sponge and virtual. It is a Europe of gesticulations and moralizing. It is a Europe of finely chiseled excuses and strange trickery.

The world of excuses looks like this, for example: On Monday, President François Hollande of France announced its air force will now also attack IS positions in Syria. The image emerged of Germany performing as a moral superpower, whereas France was taking charge and fighting the causes of the mass exodus using the lives of its soldiers. Nothing could be further from the truth.

For a year, a dozen French fighter aircraft have attacked IS positions in Iraq – however only four times a week. In comparison, the U.S. Air Force flies about 130 combat missions per week. Now Mr. Hollande wants the same dozen aircraft to operate over Syrian territory. Does anyone believe that could change the hellish reality that is causing people to flee? Isn’t it much more about avoiding a debate over bold refugee policies through military action? This year, the number of asylum-seekers in France is estimated to be 60,000. Mr. Hollande announced that France will accept an E.U. quota increased by 24,000 refugees, spread out over two years. The president of the "land of human rights" does not seem to be embarrassed by such puny numbers. He is ultimately familiar with the polls that show the majority of the French to be against further immigration. So Mr. Hollande is mimicking European solidarity, while he is in truth denying it.

Britain also wants to do things in style when it comes to avoiding responsibility in the most aggressive way as long as possible. Prime Minister David Cameron’s concession to morality: The country could take 20,000 Syrians – by 2020, or 4,000 per year. May they all then live in Buckingham Palace? The numbers are something one should keep secret from the refugees, so that they do not despair of Europe from the beginning.

Hypocrisy all around, national egoism, a refusal of European collaboration. And yet Europe is never only cowardly and hypocritical. Something is also happening.

Germany – trembling from its own courage

We can do it, said Angela Merkel. We can do it, said the volunteers at the train stations. But will we also do it? That depends on the large and magnificent gestures and also very much on the details. The details are actually important so that something major, such as the integration of almost 1 million migrants, can succeed.

In each confidential discussion, at every encounter, the politicians are talking these days about the details. And all are pointing to an adversary that is difficult to conquer: winter. In a few weeks it will be cold in Germany, and the new arrivals urgently need a roof over their heads. Politicians fear nothing more than refugees living on park benches in the snow. Cities and municipalities throughout the country are looking frantically for suitable housing. There is a lack of trailers. There is a lack of beds. There is a lack of portable toilets. Since there are hardly any such toilets still available on the market, the prices for those remaining have skyrocketed. In Leipzig, a large convention hall was made available as housing for refugees on Tuesday; it will be fully occupied over the course of this week.

According to estimates made by the associations of public housing, more than 100,000 additional apartments must be constructed by 2025 – each year. The German federal government is looking into supporting the new construction of apartments through tax incentives and increased funds for public housing.

But that also means all previous financial estimates are invalid. Last weekend, the federal co-called Grand Coalition government decided to make an additional €6 billion available – with the states receiving €3 billion and the federal government using the other €3 billion. Labor Minister Andrea Nahles is receiving €2.5 billion of that, to cover the expected increase in expenditures for language courses and welfare benefits for refugees. But that largely upsets the budgetary surpluses. And high-ranking coalition politicians are already whispering that it will still be much more expensive.

These, by the way, are the same politicians, the same Germans, that weeks ago, at the end of the Greek crisis, were considered callous and cold. The cliché that others made of the Germans is disintegrating. Hopefully, this new cliché will also not disintegrate – that of the fundamentally good, thorough, warm-hearted and organized Germans. Because without the German avant-garde, the European Union might go downhill into a competition of self-imposed isolation within a few weeks.

Up to now, the government has sought to avoid giving the impression that the citizens of Germany could be deprived of anything due to the costs of taking caring of so many new arrivals. There is too much fear that the mood could change. But if even more refugees come, it will no longer be possible to maintain this position. The country's finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, has already let it be known internally that no more money is available for new projects like building kindergartens or investing in infrastructure.

The big question as to how long Germans maintain their own readiness to help depends not only on budgetary considerations, but also on whether they have the feeling of not standing alone in Europe.

The European Union is learning – but not quickly enough

It was clear long before this summer that more and more people would seek their salvation in Europe. But the massive weight of events took European politics by surprise – and up to now has caused the continent to look less than impressive.

In April, the heads of state and government in the European Union held consultations in Brussels about policies regarding refugees for the first time in the current crisis. Shortly before, 800 refugees drowned in the Mediterranean. Two months later, at the end of June, Ms. Merkel and her associates got together once again. For six hours, the heads of government engaged in reciprocal recrimination. Ms. Merkel predicted something that has since become a certainty: That this challenge would turn out to be greater than anything the European Union has faced since she became chancellor.

In fact, this current crisis impacts on the union at its most sensitive spot. The European Union has long claimed that its member states share not only interests, but also values. Now the refugees have raised the question as to what these values actually are. Do they include the readiness to help that many people in Europe are demonstrating toward those seeking assistance? Or is the union characterized more by the unscrupulousness with which someone like Hungary’s Mr. Orbán pretends to be protecting the Christian West against hordes of Muslim invaders? Is there a sort of "Dark Europe," and if so, where is it situated?

It is not only Mr. Orbán who is resisting a joint approach. Hungary, Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia are up to now unanimous in their resistance to the proposal of the European Commission that agreement be reached concerning compulsory quotas for distributing refugees among member countries in an emergency situation. In Spain and France as well, resistance was strong for a long time. Nevertheless, something has gotten moving in Europe, a learning process that makes it less likely that European politics will simply remain stuck in controversy.

When Mr. Orbán was in Brussels last week, he also met with Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council. For a long time, Mr. Tusk was the Polish prime minister; he not only knows the sensitivities of central and eastern European countries, but also often shares them. At the special summit in June that ended in discord, Mr. Tusk was still in the camp of those who were blocking a solution. Now two months later, standing beside Mr. Orbán, he offered a noteworthy formulation: The countries that in the past have benefited from E.U. solidarity must now demonstrate this solidarity themselves.

It seems as if a dialogue has gotten underway among Europeans: between governments and citizens, between East and West, but also within the respective societies. It is far from clear whether fear of foreigners will keep the upper hand – or whether the day will ultimately be won by the recognition that Europe as a whole must open itself up. Mr. Tusk is only one example. According to a survey, 53 percent of Poles feel themselves to be obligated to solidarity with the refugees. That is less than in Germany, but perhaps more than one might have expected. In France, the artists and intellectuals have finally woken up and are calling for a more generous response to refugees. The Finnish prime minister, a conservative, governs in a coalition that includes right-wing populists, but he is currently having his summer house revamped so that it can be made available to a refugee family.

These are beginnings, reports from a union that had long given itself over to the illusion that it could keep the refugees far away or at least stop them at its borders. Now its members must all bid this illusion farewell; for some that is easier, and for others recognizably more difficult. But they have no choice. Because not only the refugees are coming into Europe. Reality is doing so as well.

The Power of the Three Crises

It is not even two years since it seemed to be enormously important for the E.U. whether the victorious top candidate in the upcoming European elections would ultimately be recognized as the president of the European Commission. Back then, the E.U. was caught up in internal controversy and couldn't get a grip on world politics. Since then, however, history has unpacked its big hammer and is reforging the E.U. – or is breaking it apart, depending on one's perspective.

Euro crisis in Greece, Ukraine, refugees – these three existential crises are reforming the continent, showing Europeans what role they could play, teaching them what Europe actually is.

When Russia’s Vladimir Putin annexed the Crimea and began destabilizing eastern Ukraine, eastern Europeans became deeply worried, whereas the Italians, Portuguese and – indeed – even the Greeks said off the record: What concern of ours are these Baltic or Polish fears? We want to keep doing business with Russia. But ultimately the sanctions were maintained by everyone.

When Greece stood with its back to the wall a few weeks ago, the eastern Europeans, above all Slovakia and the Baltic states, complained about having to help to finance a Greek minimum wage that was higher than their own. But in the end, there was a joint rescue package.

At the beginning of the refugee crisis, many northern Europeans, including many Germans, claimed that the refugees' situation was not their problem; the Greeks (!) and Italians should handle things. In a later phase of the same crisis, when people began arriving more and more by land, the Hungarian Mr. Orbán asserted that this wasn't a European crisis at all, but a German one. And so on.

The lessons could not be clearer that destiny is delivering to Europeans: if one of you is threatened militarily, then all of you are threatened; if a country is faced with bankruptcy, then you are all creditors and rescuers; if millions of refugees make their way to your 510 million, then you are all immigration societies. There is no single-crisis solidarity; there is only a comprehensive solidarity that includes all member states and all deep troubles, or there is none.

This is all the more the case since the Americans have basically withdrawn politically from Europe. Here as well, there is a lesson to be learned in these days: the times are coming to an end when the E.U. could depend on the USA regarding problems on its own external borders, or when it could use American mistakes as an excuse for doing nothing itself. This is nowhere more evident than in the refugee crisis. If one is inclined to a magnanimous formulation regarding the Americans, then it could be said that they and we are together responsible for the chaos in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and Afghanistan. But almost all the refugees who are fleeing this chaos are being handled by Europe. The Americans aren't doing anything that would come close to matching their responsibility for what is going on in the Middle East. Europe must now not only act as one; it is also alone.

Up to now, neither the member states of the E.U. nor the institutions in Brussels have internalized these lessons; all three crises are most often viewed individually, in succession. But as soon as they are stacked upon each other, it becomes clear what constitutes Europe: solidarity, military power, receptivity.

A Strong Continent

It is easily forgotten these days when there is fear of from 1 million to even 4 million refugees arriving in the coming years that the E.U. has 508 million inhabitants. What is more, the E.U. is the largest economic space on the planet; its social systems function tolerably well, at least better than in most other countries; economic growth is forecast to be 1 percent next year (at least something); all E.U. countries are democracies (some less, most more); there is extensive freedom and liberalness; the art of living is widely cultivated -- in terms of pleasure Europe is already quite integrated. The people who are fleeing their homelands and seeking to come here know all this, or they sense it.

Now, in the face of the greatest challenge since World War II, Europeans would do well to recall from time to time their considerable strengths.
Translation: Mary Beth Warner and George Frederick Takis

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by Neo

Human migration is as old as time, it is inexorable.

It is and not all in the same direction.
From 1815 to 1932, 60 million people left Europe. As a result, on the eve of World War One, 38% of the world’s total population was of European ancestry.

Over time, the movement of populations is perfectly normal and natural. When the nimby's understand that, it becomes easier to deal with it.

Mass rapid migrations are difficult for all concerned. Just try to understand the reasons behind it and make the experience a positive one, instead of imagining the worst possible scenario in every case.

Comparing migration from 1815/1932 to 2015 is idiotic.

Why? I'd like to hear your opinion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=177&v=ZV315xqbRK8

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by Neo

Human migration is as old as time, it is inexorable.

It is and not all in the same direction.
From 1815 to 1932, 60 million people left Europe. As a result, on the eve of World War One, 38% of the world’s total population was of European ancestry.

Over time, the movement of populations is perfectly normal and natural. When the nimby's understand that, it becomes easier to deal with it.

Mass rapid migrations are difficult for all concerned. Just try to understand the reasons behind it and make the experience a positive one, instead of imagining the worst possible scenario in every case.

Comparing migration from 1815/1932 to 2015 is idiotic.

Why? I'd like to hear your opinion

Probably because they weren't exporting a violent and intolerant religion which has shown itself to be incompatible with Western values time and time again - not to mention downright dangerous.

I hope they put those tens of thousands of Syrians in Bradford though, that would be a laugh.

Originally Posted by panama hat

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Originally Posted by chassamui

Originally Posted by Neo

Human migration is as old as time, it is inexorable.

It is and not all in the same direction.
From 1815 to 1932, 60 million people left Europe. As a result, on the eve of World War One, 38% of the world’s total population was of European ancestry.

Over time, the movement of populations is perfectly normal and natural. When the nimby's understand that, it becomes easier to deal with it.

Mass rapid migrations are difficult for all concerned. Just try to understand the reasons behind it and make the experience a positive one, instead of imagining the worst possible scenario in every case.

Comparing migration from 1815/1932 to 2015 is idiotic.

Why? I'd like to hear your opinion

Which aspect would you like to discuss ?


60 million people migrating to an "underpopulated" area called United States, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Australia, New Zealand and Siberia ?

The religious aspect and the difficullties of intergrating muslims ?

The difference between migrants and refugees ?

Is there a natural limit of the human population per square kilometer ?
(countries like Germany have to de-populate in order to save the environment)

The difference between migrant workers (a countries industrie looking for labores) in the 1800 compared to today ? (benefits -housing- medical aid etc.)

Are you are pulling my leg again PH ? (spare me with one line answers )

Originally Posted by klong toey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=177&v=ZV315xqbRK8

Gymnasium Pocking: Brief an Eltern sorgt für Wirbel | Niederbayern | Nachrichten | BR.de

" The Syrian citizens are predominantly Muslim and speak Arabic . The asylum seekers are marked by their own culture . Since our school is in the immediate vicinity , a restrained everyday dress should be appropriate in order to avoid discrepancies . Transparent tops or blouses , short shorts or miniskirts could lead to misunderstandings . "

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The religious aspect and the difficullties of intergrating muslims ?

Look at your very own Germany witht he Huguenots and others - north versus south, Catholic versus Protestants - how many dead? And now? Relative peace except the Bavarians speak funny

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The difference between migrants and refugees ?

Who is more deserving? Migrants who WANT to move or refugees who HAVE to?

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Is there a natural limit of the human population per square kilometer ?
(countries like Germany have to de-populate in order to save the environment)

Germany needs to increase population or face an inverted demographic explosion - not enough people to support the aging population

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The difference between migrant workers (a countries industrie looking for labores) in the 1800 compared to today ? (benefits -housing- medical aid etc.)

As above . . .

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Are you are pulling my leg again PH ? (spare me with one line answers )

Nope, I generally don't with you - you have your point of view and it has its validity

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

Gymnasium Pocking: Brief an Eltern sorgt für Wirbel | Niederbayern | Nachrichten | BR.de

Yea, Niederbayrische Katholikensäcke sollten sich eh 'Göttlicher' anziehen

(Lower Bavarian catholics should dress more demurely anyway . . . a play on the ay that region greets others by saying 'Grüß' Gott' . . . 'Greet God')

Originally Posted by panama hat

Germany needs to increase population or face an inverted demographic explosion

I think that should be left to Germans to decide, not to be imposed by the EU, or Merkel who no longer speaks for German people

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by panama hat

Germany needs to increase population or face an inverted demographic explosion

I think that should be left to Germans to decide, not to be imposed by the EU, or Merkel who no longer speaks for German people

I think you should learn what a discussion board is . . . and as for Merkel not speaking for the German people, why are you doing it?

Migrant Crisis: The Footage the Media Refuses to Broadcast

here's another vid sent to me by a member here.

must say I have thought about a few things he speaks about.

BM its been all over the Media

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Migrant Crisis: The Footage the Media Refuses to Broadcast

Migrant crisis: father of dead toddler a ‘people smuggler’

A woman on the same boat as Alan Kurdi says the boy’s father is a people smuggler who begged her not to dob him in.

Zainab Abbas said Abdullah Kurdi had lied to the world after the image of his dead three-year-old son on a Turkish beach sparked a global outpouring of support for Syrian refugees.

“Yes, it was Abdullah Kurdi driving the boat,” Ms Abbas told Network Ten through her cousin Lara Tahseen today.

Carry on reading in link
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*redacted*

The German Government are starting to understand why most countries require passports and a visa before entry.


Germany Halts Trains As It 'Nears Refugee Limit

Germany is reportedly considering reintroducing border controls after 13,000 people arrived on Saturday alone.
A German minister has claimed the country is reaching the limit of refugees it can take, as train services from Austria were halted in an attempt to slow the influx.
Services were stopped as the government reportedly considered bringing back border controls for those crossing into Bavaria, a move which would breach the EU's open borders Schengen agreement.
There has been no comment from the German government on the report.
Germany has said it expects 800,000 asylum seekers to reach the country this year and 13,000 arrived in Munich on Saturday alone.


http://news.sky.com/story/1551697/ge...-refugee-limit

Schengen isn't worth the paper it's written on once you let these people into one European country.

Time to close the tunnel for national security reasons.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Schengen isn't worth the paper it's written on once you let these people into one European country.

Time to close the tunnel for national security reasons.

I agree. Close it now.

What really pisses Me off with the big corporations controlled Media is this , they report that overpopulation is a threat to the environment, causing global warming BLA BLA BLA.
Next minute they are reporting that responsible Europeans have a low birth rate , and this is a problem, so they need to allow millions of cockroaches to swarm into Europe to balance the ageing population.
How many more lies can they brainwash the White peasants with.