What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**harrybarracuda** · 24-05-2017, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

The most recent terrorist attack that ISIS has taken responsibility for has occurred in Manchester.

Wondering, how such a message comes to general knowledge?
Do the ISIS (IS, Al-Kaeda, etc) have a PR office? A web, or whatever?
And how such a message is confirmed/proofed?
In the age of Fake news, hacking, etc? (hope that the Russians, Wikileaks, CIA, NSA, Chinese, you name it, are not again behind it ...)
Just curious...

They have "official" twitter accounts and approved third parties.

**harrybarracuda** · 24-05-2017, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Assuming the alleged culprit was in fact proven to have been radicalised by one of the terrorists groups and the UNSC resolution utilised in Syria is equally applicable to any other country - you know to kill ISIS anywhere in the world.

But you have to find them first. So far US and UK intelligence services have been unable to link Abedi directly to IS.

There are sources claiming that the other man arrested is his brother.

**DrB0b** · 24-05-2017, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by OhOh

Assuming the alleged culprit was in fact proven to have been radicalised by one of the terrorists groups and the UNSC resolution utilised in Syria is equally applicable to any other country - you know to kill ISIS anywhere in the world.

But you have to find them first. So far US and UK intelligence services have been unable to link Abedi directly to IS.

The French have linked him to IS, much to the annoyance of the British. The US also appears to be bent on fucking up the investigation in their race to get some headline time too.

The frustration of the security services with the American leaks was obvious on Tuesday, with the leak of the name of the Manchester killer and other details while the investigation was still live.

And on Wednesday Home Secretary Rudd said: “The British police have been very clear that they want to control the flow of information in order to protect operational integrity, the element of surprise. So it is irritating if it gets released from other sources and I have been very clear with our friends that should not happen again.”

The irritation would have turned to despair with the French interior minister, Gerard Collomb, on Wednesday, revealing further details of British intelligence on television. He let it be known not only that Salman Abedi had recently been to Libya, but may also have been in Syria.

The police and security services usually have good reasons for not disclosing information immediately to the media as they accumulate it.

One of the main reasons is that it is helpful when investigating a suspect’s network of family, friends and colleagues not to alert them by disclosing the name. So it was awkward for the police when the Abedi was revealed by US officials in Washington to American journalists two hours before they disclosed it to the UK.

Earlier in the day, the security services had no plans to disclose the name that day and may only have done so because of the Americans.

There are other reasons. They do not to reveal to those they are hunting - and their opponents in general - the extent of the information they hold and, sometimes, the techniques they use for gaining that information.

On a purely practical level, the police would have preferred time searching the home of Abedi and speaking to neighbours without the media descending on the location after the US released the name.

One of the basic tenets of intelligence sharing is that other agencies do not disclose it. The problem is that those intelligence agencies, whether the US or French, pass it upwards to their presidents, prime ministers and departmental ministers. In the past, that secrecy was usually respected.

But in quick succession, Donald Trump revealed to Russia information obtained by Israeli intelligence from a Middle East source, the US revealed UK intelligence about Abedi and now the French have done so too.

The temptation for the UK police and intelligence services would be to stop sharing some of that intelligence. But the UK relies so heavily on sharing of intelligence from the US and also benefits from intelligence, especially on counter-terrorism, from European colleagues such as France and Germany.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...cert-live-news

**DrB0b** · 24-05-2017, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

The most recent terrorist attack that ISIS has taken responsibility for has occurred in Manchester.

Wondering, how such a message comes to general knowledge?
Do the ISIS (IS, Al-Kaeda, etc) have a PR office? A web, or whatever?
And how such a message is confirmed/proofed?
In the age of Fake news, hacking, etc? (hope that the Russians, Wikileaks, CIA, NSA, Chinese, you name it, are not again behind it ...)
Just curious...

They have "official" twitter accounts and approved third parties.

As well as certain forums and open-access sites like archive.org (world's premier source of videos of bearded men pointing fingers skywards and ranting) they most often use Telegram. That's where IS released their notice taking responsibility.

**Dragonfly** · 24-05-2017, 05:28 PM

jesus christ, we are really losing that war

all started by silly Americans,

**Maanaam** · 24-05-2017, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by thaimeme

Comes around, doesn't it?

This is right.
You can't keep killing Muslims wantonly and invading their homes and land and not expect reprisals.
When BNP skinhead nutters torch a mosque next week in retaliation, they are exactly the same as these ISIS nutters who are retaliating for a thousand drone strikes in Afghanistan, Syria, Pakistan, Iraq etc.
The difference is the Muslims were slaughtered by Western governments.

Trump has just announced his budget; Reductions in foreign aid, environmental issues and domestic welfare but an increase in military spending.
Does anyone think that is the way forward?

Originally Posted by Klondyke

Do the ISIS (IS, Al-Kaeda, etc) have a PR office? A web, or whatever?
And how such a message is confirmed/proofed?

If the US or Britain wanted to parley, they could and would.

**Maanaam** · 24-05-2017, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

jesus christ, we are really losing that war

all started by silly Americans,

British, actually. Over a century ago, but more recently around 70 years ago by allowing European refugees to overtake Palestine and by partitioning India.
Certainly exacerbated by the US over the last 50 years with their thirst for oil and global influence (proxy empire).

**ENT** · 24-05-2017, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

The difference is the Muslims were slaughtered by Western governments.

Muslims slaughtered each other on a far grander scale, more than 11,000,000 Muslim on Muslim deaths since 1948.

**rickschoppers** · 24-05-2017, 06:51 PM

At that rate, how many years before they wipe each other out?

**ENT** · 24-05-2017, 07:02 PM

If we isolate the cwnts and don't let any more into our countries, they'll have to either, get organized and sort themselves out peaceably, or get organized and try a direct world takeover bid, or they'll just slowly bomb the fwk out of themselves over a couple of hundred years.
Given their propensity for breeding with close relatives, their collective average IQ, already at a low of around 85 will drop even further, and they'll probably commit suicide by various ingenious means, at an ever increasing rate, as well as become less capable of producing viable offspring.

The odds are, that without outside humanitarian aid, they'll become extinct.

**Neverna** · 24-05-2017, 07:07 PM

Place your bets here.

**ENT** · 24-05-2017, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

Place your bets here.

I'll take anything ya got.
What odds would ya like?

**Neverna** · 24-05-2017, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

The odds are, that without outside humanitarian aid, they'll become extinct.

**ENT** · 24-05-2017, 08:05 PM

I'm laughing too...

**ENT** · 24-05-2017, 08:10 PM

We could help them along by giving them more guns to play with,

**OhOh** · 26-05-2017, 01:59 PM

^the ameristanis and their vassals provide them with far more.

Originally Posted by ENT

don't let any more into our countries

Where do you suggest you return the British born to? How far back do you go back, 1999, 1945, 1918, 1546, 1215, the birth of your christian saviour?

Some policemen have been pointing out for years of their inability, due to government spending cuts and lack of resources, to protect the many. Of course charlie and his family have their private planes, politicians are assigned security, the 0.001% have their paid for assassins. It's just Joe and Jane taxpayer who are considered acceptable collateral damage.

Get selling your arse to all and become PM, riches and security until death.

You may wish to investigate the alleged "culprits" background, his father, what the alleged "culprit" and his brothers have been doing in Libya for a number of years. Which "organisations" they have been working for.

You know due diligence or do you wish to purchase the true bones of John the Baptist, I have a few samples left. Guaranteed to protect you from all evil bastards.

Even the UK MSM are now questioning the "Official Story". But of course it doesn't fit your racist views.

**OhOh** · 26-05-2017, 02:25 PM

It is refreshing to here a clear statement from one of the oranage mans military informing the world of the duplicity of the forked tongued .

Last week we saw a deadly attack on Syrian Government forces in the south of Syria. The local ameristani commander had, allegedly from his senior offices mouth, used his discretion to commit illegal war crimes, both ameristani and as described in the UN charter. The reason for the attack was described as protecting some form of ameristani zone/soldiers inside Syria. The Syrian forces stopped, took a few videos, and then continued on their journey.

Two days ago another ameristani military person, now given carte blanche to act in anyway he desires, by the orange man, gave a press interview.

Russia's no-fly zones in Syria aren't a problem, says US air commander

Russia's no-fly zones in Syria aren't a problem, says US air commander

"The top U.S. general running the air war against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria says Russian-declared no-fly zones are not restricting where the U.S.-led coalition can fly its warplanes as it targets the terror group.

"We don't recognize any specific zone in itself that we preclude ourselves from operating in," said Air Force Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian, commander of U.S. Air Forces Central Command. "Wherever the enemy's at, wherever they present themselves, we're going to get after them."

""This strike should make it clear to all that coalition air power will be used when our ground forces are threatened," Harrigian said."

Ground forces illegally in a foreign country will be targeted. Any other choice is an aberration of the governments elected duties. Possibly the coalition forces inside Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan .......have just committed suicide.

**DrB0b** · 26-05-2017, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by ENT

We could help them along by giving them more guns to play with,

That's not a monkey, that's an ape.

**tomcat** · 26-05-2017, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by DrPrimateBob

That's not a monkey, that's an ape.

Finally! Your research has come in handy...

**harrybarracuda** · 26-05-2017, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Maanaam

You can't keep killing Muslims wantonly and invading their homes and land and not expect reprisals.

That's exactly what Saddam did to maintain power.

And it's exactly what the Shi'a did to the Sunni in Iraq, which is what started Islamic State there well before Syria fell to bits.

**Norton** · 26-05-2017, 07:43 PM

Gunmen have attacked a bus carrying Coptic Christians in central Egypt, killing at least 23 people and wounding 25 others, state media report.

The bus was heading towards the Monastery of St Samuel the Confessor in Minya province, about 220km (140 miles) south Cairo, when it came under fire. No group immediately said it was behind the attack. But Islamic State (IS) militants have targeted Copts several times in recent months, and vowed to do so again. Two suicide bombings at churches in the northern cities of Alexandria and Tanta on 9 April left 46 people dead.

Egypt Coptic Christians killed in bus attack - BBC News

**harrybarracuda** · 26-05-2017, 07:45 PM

Will barely get a mention in the Western media of course.

**Norton** · 26-05-2017, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Will barely get a mention in the Western media of course.

Yep. 23 dead brown folks in Egypt not near as news worthy as 22 in England.

**OhOh** · 28-05-2017, 04:43 PM

We need pictures of little brown girls being napalmed at a wedding party to grab some bodys attention, or not. The girl running on the Vietnamese road didn't stay in many peoples memory for long.

**tomcat** · 28-05-2017, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

The girl running on the Vietnamese road didn't stay in many peoples memory for long.

disagree: it's one of the most haunting photos of the war...

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