What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**OhOh** · 04-11-2015, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What are you on about now? Are you saying Reuters invented this story?!

That would be impossible eh! No what I said was to check the source. Reuters quoted TASS, I searched for the article a few days ago and couldn't find it.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

http://tass.ru/en/politics/832809

You found it well done Harry. The article confirms, to the world, that the Syrian Government decides Syrian policy not the Russians.

**OhOh** · 04-11-2015, 09:18 AM

This guy and ex Indian diplomat always seems to give a good story.

Here are two recent articles.

Iran returns to ?Vienna Talks? ? as peacemaker ? Indian Punchline

Irans returns to the world scene in a very positive manner.

Syria peace talks a small step, but leans forward ? Indian Punchline

The progress and positions of the various main actors at the recent Syrian Peace talks.

A report from Syria indicating not all was plain sailing between Iran and SA.

Iran says may quit Syria talks, in worsening spat with Saudi rival | Reuters

Lastly some alleged comment from the Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei indicating Iran's expanding role and the nonsense of regime change imposed by some nations. From Stratfor, but behind a pay wall.

"Despite Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's repeated warnings that Iran cannot trust the United States in discussions beyond the nuclear issue, the reality is that the nuclear deal was merely the stepping stone to a much broader strategic dialogue."

A comment regarding unexceptional countries wearing boots bigger than they can walk in.

"There's no point in other countries getting together and deciding about a system of government and the head of that state. This is a dangerous innovation which no government in the world would accept being imposed on itself. The solution to Syria's problem is elections."

Referring to a Saudi demand, during the meeting, that the fate of Syria MUST BE DECIDEDby the countries in the meeting room. This similar demand previously made by other crusader coalition government officials.

An aside to the recent meeting in Geneva the EU report starts with a list of the participants.

http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eea.../151030_06.htm

"Meeting in Vienna, on October 30, 2015, China, Egypt, the EU, France, Germany, Iran, Iraq, Italy, Jordan, Lebanon, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United Nations, and the United States [“the participants”] came together to discuss the grave situation in Syria and how to bring about an end to the violence as soon as possible."

Note 10 middle eastern countries, except one, Isreal, does that signify anything?

**OhOh** · 04-11-2015, 10:47 AM

This is what the Americans will continue to fund/arm/train/manage the Syrian terrorists for:

The ISIS are heavily situated where? Adjacent the oil fields and rivers.

**OhOh** · 04-11-2015, 11:07 AM

Allegedly the Pentagon have stated:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-1...rce-over-syria

"The U.S. Air Force is deploying to Turkey up to a dozen jet fighters specializing in air-to-air combat—apparently to help protect other U.S. and allied jets from Russia’s own warplanes flying over Syria.
Officially, the deployment of F-15C Eagle twin-engine fighters to Incirlik, Turkey y—which the Pentagon announced late last week—is meant to “ensure the safety” of America’s NATO allies, Laura Seal, a Defense Department spokesperson"

"But more likely, the F-15s will be escorting attack planes and bombers as they strike ISIS militants in close proximity to Syrian regime forces and the Russian warplanes that, since early October, have bombed ISIS and U.S.-backed rebels fighting the Syrian troops"

There are some potential targets avalable:

1. The ISUS airforce- ISIS/US airforce
2. The Turkish airforce, a NATO colleague, when they bomb the American's "moderate terrorists".
3. The Russian air force, when they bomb the American's "moderate terrorists"
4. The Russian airforce, when they shoot down the crusader coalition ground attack planes whilst they are attacking P4+1 forces. Who legitimately are attacking terrorists in Syria.
5. The Israeli airforce, because they are at hand and the fickle finger of fate could be pointed at Russia.

Currently most of the Russian airforce in Syria are primarily ground attack plane. There are a small number of air superiority fighters.

I don't suppose it's of any use informing the Americans of the locations of Syrian Army Forces. As the Americans have a history of "forgetting" who and where the good guys are. The plan maybe to tie up Russian air forces to ensure no "accidental" blue on blue events take place.

I am not sure of the truth behind Laura Seal's statement, whether she has any clout or whether the words "meant to" are her weasel words. Not a phrase many would accept in a legal contract.

Most of the worlds leaders, who profess to have been fighting terrorists for many years should welcome Russia acceptance of the terrorist reduction role. Would they also accept American planes actually stopping the P4+1 airforce and ground troops from ridding the world of terrorists?

**harrybarracuda** · 04-11-2015, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

What are you on about now? Are you saying Reuters invented this story?!

That would be impossible eh! No what I said was to check the source. Reuters quoted TASS, I searched for the article a few days ago and couldn't find it.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

http://tass.ru/en/politics/832809

You found it well done Harry. The article confirms, to the world, that the Syrian Government decides Syrian policy not the Russians.

No it doesn't, it confirms what some Russian said and given their own actions in sovereign nations, it just proves they're a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

**harrybarracuda** · 04-11-2015, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

This is what the Americans will continue to fund/arm/train/manage the Syrian terrorists for:

The ISIS are heavily situated where? Adjacent the oil fields and rivers.

The fucking Daily Mule, come on we only post that for comedic value.

**harrybarracuda** · 04-11-2015, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Most of the worlds leaders, who profess to have been fighting terrorists for many years should welcome Russia acceptance of the terrorist reduction role.

I'm sure they would if Russia would stick to bombing terrorists.

**Dragonfly** · 04-11-2015, 02:38 PM

the fact of the matter is that IS is still progressing, more refugees are coming here, and the US and the EU is doing fuck all about it, paralyzed by their own stupid agenda on foreign policies

at least the Russians are acting, under the law, with a real exit plan for Syria

so all the BS from snub and harry is completely pointless, they can moan like teenage girls because they don't like Putin, but he is the only solution in town at the moment.

**bsnub** · 04-11-2015, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

This is what the Americans will continue to fund/arm/train/manage the Syrian terrorists

Gee I keep hoping one day you will post some evidence to back up your tinfoil tomfoolery.

Originally Posted by OhOh

The ISIS are heavily situated where? Adjacent the oil fields and rivers.

Gee maybe because those happens to be where all the roads are? The rest of the countries are primarily impassable deserts. Another derp for you Ohdoh!

**harrybarracuda** · 04-11-2015, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

the fact of the matter is that IS is still progressing, more refugees are coming here, and the US and the EU is doing fuck all about it, paralyzed by their own stupid agenda on foreign policies

at least the Russians are acting, under the law, with a real exit plan for Syria

so all the BS from snub and harry is completely pointless, they can moan like teenage girls because they don't like Putin, but he is the only solution in town at the moment.

Solution, yeah good luck with that.

**harrybarracuda** · 04-11-2015, 04:36 PM

Amazingly it seems someone in Russia is starting to see some fucking sense.

Perhaps they've realised that they've bitten off more than they can shit.

Should Assad stay or go? Russia says it doesn't mind either way
Published November 03, 2015 Associated Press

MOSCOW – In an apparent effort to set the stage for transition talks, a Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman said on Tuesday that Moscow does not consider it a matter of principle that Syrian President Bashar Assad should stay in power.

Asked whether it was crucial for Moscow that Assad stays, Maria Zakharova said on the Ekho Moskvy radio station: "Absolutely not, we've never said that."

**Dragonfly** · 04-11-2015, 05:15 PM

gotta love how the western press just extrapolate and go into silly details over some politician declaration, they are really desperate

diplomacy doesn't speak publicly, can't show your cards

**MrG** · 04-11-2015, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Allegedly the Pentagon have stated: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-1...rce-over-syria

Your source is a blog site for opinions of people whose identity is intentionally withheld. Not reputable.

This from their own site.

our mission:
•to widen the scope of financial, economic and political information available to the professional investing public.
•to skeptically examine and, where necessary, attack the flaccid institution that financial journalism has become.
•to liberate oppressed knowledge.
•to provide analysis uninhibited by political constraint.
•to facilitate information's unending quest for freedom.

our method: pseudonymous speech...

anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. it thus exemplifies the purpose behind the bill of rights, and of the first amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation-- and their ideas from suppression-- at the hand of an intolerant society.

Keep trying, Ohbozo.

**MrG** · 04-11-2015, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Amazingly it seems someone in Russia is starting to see some fucking sense.

Perhaps they've realised that they've bitten off more than they can shit.

Should Assad stay or go? Russia says it doesn't mind either way
Published November 03, 2015 Associated Press

MOSCOW – In an apparent effort to set the stage for transition talks, a Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman said on Tuesday that Moscow does not consider it a matter of principle that Syrian President Bashar Assad should stay in power.

Asked whether it was crucial for Moscow that Assad stays, Maria Zakharova said on the Ekho Moskvy radio station: "Absolutely not, we've never said that."

Seems like just a week ago the who reason for Putin's actions in Syria was to keep Assad in power. Now they don't know what we're talking about.

**Neo** · 04-11-2015, 09:43 PM

There's just no pleasing some people.
I can't imagine Cameron. Merkel, or Obama being swayed so quickly by public opinion.
I guess that's the benefit of not having to kowtow to lobbyists every time Putin wants to decide what's best for his country.

**Neverna** · 04-11-2015, 09:54 PM

There's a lot of cherry picking going on. The Russians have been clear and consistent but some people seem to be easily confused and project their confusion onto the Russians.

**Neo** · 04-11-2015, 10:05 PM

It's symptomatic of the heavy indoctrination, foisted by the mainstream media, that goes beyond bias and into complicit anti-intellectualism.

**Neverna** · 04-11-2015, 10:10 PM

^ And the generation of what bsnub would call "anti-knowledge"?

**longway** · 04-11-2015, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by MrG

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Amazingly it seems someone in Russia is starting to see some fucking sense.

Perhaps they've realised that they've bitten off more than they can shit.

Should Assad stay or go? Russia says it doesn't mind either way
Published November 03, 2015 Associated Press

MOSCOW – In an apparent effort to set the stage for transition talks, a Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman said on Tuesday that Moscow does not consider it a matter of principle that Syrian President Bashar Assad should stay in power.

Asked whether it was crucial for Moscow that Assad stays, Maria Zakharova said on the Ekho Moskvy radio station: "Absolutely not, we've never said that."

Seems like just a week ago the who reason for Putin's actions in Syria was to keep Assad in power. Now they don't know what we're talking about.

Assad or a suitable assad proxy acceptable to the russians and iranians, the russians don't care about assad, they care about their assets, but at least now there will be an impetus towards a solution.

**longway** · 04-11-2015, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Neverna

^ And the generation of what bsnub would call "anti-knowledge"?

Bsnub doesn't understand that the left and right are as anti knowledge as each other, its all about narrative.

**MrG** · 04-11-2015, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by Neo

I guess that's the benefit of not having to kowtow to lobbyists every time Putin wants to decide what's best for his country.

It's good to be King. Easier to flip-flop and spin the message.
Carry on.

Originally Posted by longway

Assad or a suitable assad proxy acceptable to the russians and iranians, the russians don't care about assad, they care about their assets, but at least now there will be an impetus towards a solution.

So, you mean now that Russia has changed it's mind about cradeling Assad a solution can be found.
Beginning to see a pivot here by both the Ruskies and their minion hand puppets.

**harrybarracuda** · 04-11-2015, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by longway

Assad or a suitable assad proxy acceptable to the russians and iranians, the russians don't care about assad, they care about their assets, but at least now there will be an impetus towards a solution.

You actually got the right.

Everyone: "Assad has to go"

Putin: "Can I pick his replacement?"

Everyone: "Oh, alrighhhhttt FFS".

Now all he has to do is pick a good one.

**Dapper** · 04-11-2015, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Amazingly it seems someone in Russia is starting to see some fucking sense.

Perhaps they've realised that they've bitten off more than they can shit.

Should Assad stay or go? Russia says it doesn't mind either way
Published November 03, 2015 Associated Press

MOSCOW – In an apparent effort to set the stage for transition talks, a Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman said on Tuesday that Moscow does not consider it a matter of principle that Syrian President Bashar Assad should stay in power.

Asked whether it was crucial for Moscow that Assad stays, Maria Zakharova said on the Ekho Moskvy radio station: "Absolutely not, we've never said that."

Nah, even Assad knew the game was much bigger than himself. The main point everyone is concerned with is what comes next.

**bsnub** · 05-11-2015, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by longway

Bsnub doesn't understand that the left and right are as anti knowledge as each other, its all about narrative.

Ah another one who believes the world is ruled by lizard people. Maybe you should stop spending so much time over on infowars with your buddies Dapper aka albert and pseudo.

You like many others oversimplify things when you make such statements.

**david44** · 05-11-2015, 08:44 AM

If ISIS can evade detectors flying is ging to get tricky

Indie reports
A US intelligence source has said an Isis bomb is the 'most likely' reason behind a Russian jet crash, as the UK ordered all flights from Egypt to be grounded in a move that stranded up to 20,000 Britons.

Reports in the US media said US intelligence had concluded a bomb planted by Isis terrorists was most likely behind the plane's demise and the death of 224 people. The British Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said there was a "significant possibility" the crash was caused by an explosive device.

US official says Isis bomb is 'most likely' reason behind Russian jet crash | Middle East | News | The Independent

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