What Will It Take To Get Rid Of ISIS?

**rickschoppers** · 23-03-2015, 05:34 PM

Billy has the right idea. Too bad we can not get the rest of the world on the same page.

Religion is fabricated propaganda that man seems to have a need to believe in.

It would be nice to press the replay button when it comes to religion and see what kind of world it would be.

**ENT** · 23-03-2015, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

The smacking Islam got from the crusaders in medieval times has never lost its sting, something Muslims have never got over

I still think the grand prize for smacking Muslims around has to go to.......The Mongols.....

Yup, then Vlad the Impaler, slaughtered 250,000 Turks in one night of war, let alone pig on a stick ragheads and others all over the place..

**koman** · 24-03-2015, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by ENT

Originally Posted by koman

Originally Posted by ENT

The smacking Islam got from the crusaders in medieval times has never lost its sting, something Muslims have never got over

I still think the grand prize for smacking Muslims around has to go to.......The Mongols.....

Yup, then Vlad the Impaler, slaughtered 250,000 Turks in one night of war, let alone pig on a sick ragheads and others all over the place..

Those were the days......

**OhOh** · 24-03-2015, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Saudi Arabia is the heart of evil.

Who pray "protects them from evil"?

The Congo is the Heart of Darkness.

**ENT** · 24-03-2015, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by bsnub

Saudi Arabia is the heart of evil.

Who pray "protects them from evil"?

The Saudis (Sunni) are well protected by USA and UK, and every Arab country and movement it finances.

They're the biggest arms importers in the world now.

**rickschoppers** · 24-03-2015, 02:14 PM

I am sure Saudi Arabia is getting a little nervous about their proximity to all the ISIS claimed territories. Now with Yemen having problems, it is even closer. It will be interesting to see how they react in months to come.

I would also think one of the few countries that are worried about ISIS is Iran since they seem to be backing them. This could also lead to an interesting dynamic in the near future.

**Neverna** · 24-03-2015, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I am sure Saudi Arabia is getting a little nervous about their proximity to all the ISIS claimed territories. Now with Yemen having problems, it is even closer. It will be interesting to see how they react in months to come.

Saudi Arabia has already been involved in Yemen.

**ENT** · 24-03-2015, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I am sure Saudi Arabia is getting a little nervous about their proximity to all the ISIS claimed territories. Now with Yemen having problems, it is even closer. It will be interesting to see how they react in months to come.

I would also think one of the few countries that are worried about ISIS is Iran since they seem to be backing them. This could also lead to an interesting dynamic in the near future.

Sunni dominated Saudi's building a wall to keep out the likes of ISIS (Sunni), as IS(caliphacy ) would take power off the current biggest shots in the Muslim world, Saudi, and Shia ruled Iran won't have a bar of any Sunn ISISi there, either.

**rickschoppers** · 24-03-2015, 03:42 PM

Involved how?

So Saudi is fine if ISIS becomes the dominant faction in Yemen?

**ENT** · 24-03-2015, 03:50 PM

I don't think so.

They'll shoot and bomb the hell out of IS if IS decides to take over Yemen, too close to Saudi, which ISIS wants to also take over.

IS has already been warned off by Saudi. Although sharing the same Islamic ideology (Sunni), Saudi, along with US took part in air strikes against ISIS .

**Neverna** · 24-03-2015, 04:00 PM

Saudi crapshoot in Yemen | Middle East Eye

Saudi Arabia?s Military Involvement in the Yemen Conflict | Global Research

http://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/fi...nIranSaudi.pdf

Yemen falling out of Saudis' grasp - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

Yemeni implosion pushes southern Sunnis into arms of al-Qaida and Isis | World news | The Guardian

**rickschoppers** · 24-03-2015, 04:47 PM

Good articles Nervrna.

The more I read about all the vaious skirmishes going on in the ME, the more I go back to my original statement:

Just let all these muslim factions have at each other and see who is left standing when the smoke clears. Do not go in and offer assistance, for any reason, and let them fight it out amongst themselves.

I know this is a simplistic solution, but how does one choose sides when the factions continue to morph and declare allegiance to other factions on a daily basis? Especially if you have a bad reputation for choosing the wrong side like the US and UK.

**OhOh** · 25-03-2015, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

I would also think one of the few countries that are worried about ISIS is Iran since they seem to be backing them.

The Iranians, Shia Muslims, "backing" ISIS, Sunnis Muslims, interesting proposition. Do you have any info or a source for this suggestion?

You have read the reports of the Iranian/Iraqi military are actually fighting together against ISIS in northern Iraq?

Do you have any info or a source for this suggestion?

Originally Posted by ENT

The Saudis (Sunni) are well protected by USA and UK, and every Arab country and movement it finances.

The UK's plastic mine sweeper in Bahrain gives the Saudis great comfort I assume. Are the USA and the UK happy about protecting this "evil" countries rulers then?

**Boon Mee** · 25-03-2015, 04:16 PM

Mebe it's Strength thru Diversity?

Cornell dean says ISIS welcome on campus in undercover video.

This guy is either the dumbest Ivy League bigwig ever or politically correct to a fault — for welcoming offers to bring ISIS and Hamas to Cornell University.
A video sting operation shows Cornell’s assistant dean for students, Joseph Scaffido, agreeing to everything suggested by an undercover muckraker posing as a Moroccan student.
Scaffido casually endorses inviting an ISIS “freedom fighter’’ to conduct a “training camp” for students at the upstate Ithaca campus — bizarrely likening the activity to a sports camp.
Is it OK to bring a humanitarian pro-“Islamic State Iraq and Syria” group on campus, the undercover for conservative activist James O’Keefe’s Project Veritas asks.
Sure, Scaffido says in the recorded March 16 meeting.
Scaffido doesn’t even blink an eye when the undercover asks about providing material support for terrorists — “care packages, whether it be food, water, electronics.”

How about supporting Hamas?

No problem at all, Scaffido said.

“The university is not going to look at different groups and say, ‘You’re not allowed to support that group because we don’t believe them’ or something like that. I think it’s just the opposite. I think the university wants the entire community to understand what’s going on in all parts of the world,” Scaffido said.

The undercover asked if he can invite “a freedom fighter to come and do like a training camp for students.”

Scaffido responds, “You would be allowed to do something like that. It’s just like brining in a coach, to do a training, a sports trainer or something,” the Cornell official said.

The State Department includes both ISIS and Hamas on its list of terrorist organizations."

Cornell dean says ISIS welcome on campus in undercover video | New York Post

Perhaps he wants to teach the kids how to do some head-chopping?

**Neverna** · 25-03-2015, 05:05 PM

Scaffido is probably only guilty of being naiive that he wasn't being set up.

It would be good to see/hear the whole video rather than short clips edited together with a narrator to guide the viewers opinions. It seemed to me that in many instances Scaffido was speaking generally, while the editors seemed to want us to believe he was answering specifically about Islamic State fighters.

**OhOh** · 26-03-2015, 10:29 AM

I hope you aren't suggesting Yuotub videos can be edited to suit a particular viewpoint. That would be undemocratic surely.

**OhOh** · 26-03-2015, 01:43 PM

"In a statement late Wednesday night, National Security Council spokesperson Bernadette Meehan said:

"In support of [Gulf Cooperation Council] actions to defend against Houthi violence, President Obama has authorized the provision of logistical and intelligence support to GCC-led military operations. While U.S. forces are not taking direct military action in Yemen in support of this effort, we are establishing a Joint Planning Cell with Saudi Arabia to coordinate U.S. military and intelligence support."

Here is where they are, this is the weapon to use - when you have used it we will resupply you, any casualties just send them to our offshore naval hospital fleet. We will update your generals once we have flown a few more drone missions.

Another "skirmish" or brutal killing war escalating with external parties with the invasion of a soveriegn state by "interested parties". What part of repecting borders is the USA along with 10 other "coalition" partners, not understanding. Is it a lack of map reading skills?

Are the coalition wanting ISIS to attack them. The Houthi are driving out the ISIS/Sunni malita.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/middleeast/al-anad-air-base-houthis-yemen.html?module=Notification&version=BreakingNew s®ion=FixedTop&action=Click&contentCollection=Brea kingNews&contentID=31597844&pgtype=article

**panama hat** · 26-03-2015, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Are the coalition wanting ISIS to attack them. The Houthi are driving out the ISIS/Sunni malita.

It all gets a bit confusing after a while . . . it's Tuesday so it must be <insert country or group here>

Originally Posted by OhOh

What part of repecting borders is the USA along with 10 other "coalition" partners, not understanding. Is it a lack of map reading skills?

Indeed . . . missing Saudi Arabia and making a left turn to Iraq

**OhOh** · 27-03-2015, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

It all gets a bit confusing after a while

By design maybe?

**panama hat** · 27-03-2015, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by OckerRocker

It all gets a bit confusing after a while

By design maybe?

Could well be . . . keep everyone guessing and off-balance.

So, the Saudis have thrown their weight behind group A so the Americans have to follow.

**ENT** · 27-03-2015, 09:21 AM

US has stuck its nose into other nation's political affairs constantly.

After screwing up Cuba and several S. American countries in its obsessive drive to control nearly damned well anything, its meddling has led to now (literally uncountable numbers of unnecessary deaths.

Yemen's the latest Arab country in a growing list of such to be screwed up by USA's interference in their affairs.

Peace will eventually come about if the world stopped interfering in Islamic worlds own political upheavals and simply let them bump eachother off their own way.

The trouble is, is that the US arms industry's gonna lose sales if that happens.

It's all war for profit, ideology and religion are a cover for outright greed for control of resources, there's no just cause for any of that Muslim conflict, the ragheads are mad to engage in such wars and USA's even more insane for egging it all on and getting involved with backing its main Arab ally, Saudi Arabia.

**OhOh** · 27-03-2015, 11:59 AM

The USA along some Gulf states plus Egypt seemed to have their military in place fro the invasion.

Another proxy war continues in the Yeman countryside. God help them all.

AP News : Turmoil in Yemen escalates as Saudi Arabia bombs rebels

Turmoil in Yemen escalates as Saudi Arabia bombs rebels

"SANAA, Yemen (AP) - The turmoil in Yemen grew into a regional conflict Thursday, with Saudi Arabia and its allies bombing Shiite rebels allied with Iran, while Egyptian officials said a ground assault will follow the airstrikes.
Iran denounced the Saudi-led air campaign, saying it "considers this action a dangerous step," and oil prices jumped in New York and London after the offensive.
The military action turned impoverished and chaotic Yemen into a new front in the rivalry between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the U.S. Adel al-Jubeir said at a news conference in Washington on Thursday that Iran has been a major backer of the Houthis, with Revolutionary Guard officers and operatives from the Iran-backed Lebanese militia Hezbollah on the ground advising the rebels.

Also involved were aircraft from the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Jordan, Morocco, Sudan and Egypt, though it was not clear which carried out actual strikes.

Once the airstrikes have weakened the rebels and their allies in the military forces loyal to former President Ali Abdullah Saleh, a ground invasion of Yemen is planned by Egyptian Saudi and other forces.

The assault will come from Saudi Arabia and by landings on Yemen's coasts along the Red and Arabian seas, according to three Egyptian military and security officials. Three to five Egyptian troop carriers are stationed offshore, they said, although the number of troops was not specified, and the timing of the operation was not given.
The aim is not to occupy Yemen but to weaken the Houthis and their allies until they enter negotiations for power-sharing, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk about the plans with the press."

Who is the greatest danger to the ME? USA, ISIS or Iran?

**Neverna** · 27-03-2015, 03:46 PM

A ground invasion of Yemen really would be a silly idea. Some of the Yemeni army, including special forces units, support the Houtis. And there are more weapons in Yemen than people.

Egypt should have learned its lesson the last time it got involved in Yemen. 25,000 dead Egyptian troops out of 75,000 sent, apparently.

**bsnub** · 27-03-2015, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

The USA along some Gulf states plus Egypt seemed to have their military in place fro the invasion.

Um once again you are incorrect. The US is not in place to invade Yemen and is not involved in the conflict there. There is no need as the Arab gulf states are doing this one alone.

For once it is nice to see that the US is on the sideline in Yemen, Iraq and Syria. Let the muzzies fight it out.

**ENT** · 27-03-2015, 05:21 PM

Too right.

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