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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post


    "At the end of the day, I want to make it very clear that the NRA is in absolutely no rush to change anything," LaPierre later said in a written statement. "One thousand dead kids would have very little impact on us. Now if 50,000 kids died in a school shooting that might be a different story. Something around 50,000 to 80,000 dead kids. You know what, forget that. Maybe something closer to 250,000. Yeah, 250,000 dead kids."



    Yes, it's gotta be The Onion.
    Or
    No psychiatric assessment needed. The guy's an idiot and a nutcase.


    Meanwhile,

    Australia Enjoys Another Peaceful Day Under Oppressive Gun Control Regime

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    Gotta be the Onion
    'Tis.

    But like all good satire it's not far from the truth.


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    You have to first understand that the USA is still a relatively young country. A nation of mongrels in the style of hunting, shooting and fishing, with a not so distant history of segregation and lynching folk with a different skin colour.
    Their religious and political fervor is akin to that of foreign zealots, so it's really no surprise that they defend their second amendment rights so ferociously.
    However inclusive they try to be, their short and sordid history will hold them back. A modern democracy on the surface, fighting to subdue the racist and bigoted recent history, it will take decades to realign their proclivities.

    It Is a reflection of their societal failures that they can produce so many dysfunctional individuals, and make it so simple for them to acquire the means to self destruct.

    The early settlers who destroyed native American culture, are not so far removed from their contemporary peers who elected Trump as president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    You have to first understand that the USA is still a relatively young country. A nation of mongrels in the style of hunting, shooting and fishing, with a not so distant history of segregation and lynching folk with a different skin colour.
    Their religious and political fervor is akin to that of foreign zealots, so it's really no surprise that they defend their second amendment rights so ferociously.
    However inclusive they try to be, their short and sordid history will hold them back. A modern democracy on the surface, fighting to subdue the racist and bigoted recent history, it will take decades to realign their proclivities.

    It Is a reflection of their societal failures that they can produce so many dysfunctional individuals, and make it so simple for them to acquire the means to self destruct.

    The early settlers who destroyed native American culture, are not so far removed from their contemporary peers who elected Trump as president.

    or there's too many guns.

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    Doesn't even register a blip now. Only a "minor" shooting.

    Gunfire erupted early Sunday in a popular downtown area of a Kansas college town, leaving three people dead and two wounded, police said.
    The shooting happened around 1:45 a.m. not far from police headquarters in Lawrence, in an area crowded with people from concerts, bars and events at the nearby University of Kansas, which was celebrating the start of college basketball season.
    Officers heard more than 20 gunshots, Interim Police Chief Anthony Brixius said. Brixius said responding officers found several people wounded in a large crowd.
    Interim Police Chief Anthony Brixius said that responding officers found several wounded people in a large crowd.
    The victims who died were identified as 22-year-old Leah Elizabeth Brown of Shawnee, and Topeka residents Colwin Lynn Henderson, 20, and Dupree Dean, 24. None was a student at the school, according to university spokeswoman Erinn Barcomb-Peterson.
    Police didn’t say what led to the shooting, and no arrests had been made as of Sunday afternoon.

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    It’s all good that you discuss the need for the US to disarm our citizens but do any of you have a realistic approach to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    It’s all good that you discuss the need for the US to disarm our citizens but do any of you have a realistic approach to this.
    Why don't you try the one that has worked in Australia for the last 7000+ days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Why don't you try the one that has worked in Australia for the last 7000+ days?

    I don’t plan on trying any plan, but I believe the problem you would run into is there are more guns than people many unregistered. How many of those unregistered guns do you think would be willingly handed over,my guess is zero,so what then send in the army to search every house. Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    I don’t plan on trying any plan, but I believe the problem you would run into is there are more guns than people many unregistered. How many of those unregistered guns do you think would be willingly handed over,my guess is zero,so what then send in the army to search every house. Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.
    Do you think Australia didn't have unregistered guns, you feeble minded coffin dodger?

    Why ask the question, you were always going to try and fumble your way to refuting whatever anyone comes up with.

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    Why would anyone outside the US care whether these idiots like to shoot each other or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    You have to first understand that the USA is still a relatively young country. A nation of mongrels in the style of hunting, shooting and fishing, with a not so distant history of segregation and lynching folk with a different skin colour.
    Their religious and political fervor is akin to that of foreign zealots, so it's really no surprise that they defend their second amendment rights so ferociously.
    However inclusive they try to be, their short and sordid history will hold them back. A modern democracy on the surface, fighting to subdue the racist and bigoted recent history, it will take decades to realign their proclivities.

    It Is a reflection of their societal failures that they can produce so many dysfunctional individuals, and make it so simple for them to acquire the means to self destruct.

    The early settlers who destroyed native American culture, are not so far removed from their contemporary peers who elected Trump as president.
    Neo gave me a charming but totally ineffective red repo for this.
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    ...on a closely related note:

    N.R.A. Defends Right to Own Politicians

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    WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)

    In testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee today, National Rifle Association C.E.O. Wayne LaPierre warned that the N.R.A. would vigorously oppose any legislation that “limits the sale, purchase, or ownership of politicians.”
    “Politicians pose no danger to the public if used correctly,” said Mr. LaPierre, who claims to have over two hundred politicians in his personal collection. “Everyone hears about the bad guys in Congress. Well, the only thing that stops a bad guy with a vote is a good guy with a vote. I’m proud to be the owner of many of those guys.”
    Mr. LaPierre’s comments drew a sharp rebuke from Carol Foyler, a politician-control advocate who has spent the past twelve years lobbying for stricter limits on the sale of politicians.
    “Right now, a man like Wayne LaPierre can walk right into Congress and buy any politician he wants,” she said. “There’s no background check, no waiting period. And so hundreds of politicians are falling into the hands of people who are unstable and, quite frankly, dangerous.”
    In addition to limiting the sale of politicians, Ms. Foyler said, it is time for society to take a look at the “sheer number” of politicians in the U.S.: “There’s no doubt that we would be safer if there were fewer of them.”
    For his part, the N.R.A. leader ended his testimony by serving notice that he would “resist any attempt” to take away the hundreds of elected officials he says are legally his.
    As if to illustrate that point, he clutched Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) close to his chest and bellowed, “From my cold, dead hands.”​




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    Quote Originally Posted by chassamui View Post
    Neo gave me a charming but totally ineffective red repo for this.
    "We have reason to believe that man first walked upright to free his hands for masturbation." - Lily Tomlin
    (She's got you taped Neo.
    Thanks for another ineffective red repo Earl. Join the Neo club.

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    ...NRA manoeuvring to outfox even more gun control:

    ks is an attempt by the(CNN) A quick glance at the TV Thursday afternoon produced a bit of a stunner: The National Rifle Association announced its support of further regulations on bump stocks, the mechanism that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock used to turn a semi-automatic weapon into something resembling a fully automatic one and murder 58 people.

    "The NRA believes that devices intended to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations," Wayne LaPierre and Chris Cox, the group's top two leaders, said in the statement. "In an increasingly dangerous world, the NRA remains focused on our mission: strengthening Americans' Second Amendment freedom to defend themselves, their families and their communities."
    The NRA, as has been revealed through its many legislative victories on gun matters over the years, is not dumb. And the group's decision to be for further regulation of bump stocks is clearly a strategic move aimed at avoiding any more sweeping or comprehensive attempts at gun control.

    Maybe the NRA is also motivated by genuine belief that bump stocks are a bad thing and need to be more regulated. But an organization as politically aware of itself as the NRA is never not keeping an eye on its politics.

    Consider first that the NRA is calling on the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) to handle the bump stock issue. Why does this matter? Because if ATF takes on the issue, it means that Congress doesn't.
    Congress is filled with 535 members -- each of whom has ideas and strategies about how to accomplish their goals related to guns. Putting any sort of legislative proposal before Congress -- even one with a very limited initial scope like further regulating bump stocks -- poses a major risk for the NRA and other major players in the gun lobby.
    It's the equivalent of opening Pandora's box -- not just in terms of how the legislation might wind up looking but also in terms of public attention being paid to gun laws.
    So even as Rep. Carlos Curbelo, a Florida Republican, gears up to introduce bump stock legislation, the NRA swoops in and says essentially: "Isn't this better handled by ATF?" Several senior GOP sources tell CNN's Phil Mattingly that the ATF option is the preferred route for leadership in both chambers right now.

    Which brings me to the second major reason why the NRA proactively came out in favor of ATF-driven regulations on bump stocks: It allows for a simple -- and quick -- answer to the horrors of the Las Vegas shooting without endangering any of the key elements of what the NRA and its supporters hold dear.
    There's a hint at that notion in a less-quoted set of lines from the NRA statement:
    "In the aftermath of the evil and senseless attack in Las Vegas, the American people are looking for answers as to how future tragedies can be prevented. Unfortunately, the first response from some politicians has been to call for more gun control. Banning guns from law-abiding Americans based on the criminal act of a madman will do nothing to prevent future attacks. This is a fact that has been proven time and again in countries across the world."

    What being for bump stock regulations allows the NRA to do is, well, be for something that most Americans think is a common-sense measure. (The truth is that most Americans had no idea what bump stocks even were prior to Sunday night, much less that they are legal.) It also allows the NRA -- and this is the most important part -- to be against other gun control measures.
    It takes the air out of the attack -- that many Democrats have already made in the wake of Las Vegas -- that the NRA opposes all gun control measures and that the Republican Congress marches in lockstep with them. "We were for bump stocks!" the NRA can now respond. "We led the charge on regulating bump stocks!"

    The bump stock move by the NRA is also a way to avoid prolonged debate about gun laws in this country. The last time that happened was in the wake of the Sandy Hook shootings in late 2012. And while the NRA helped defeat the two major gun control proposals offered up in the wake of those murders, it was not without a major struggle and considerable capital -- political and otherwise -- being spent.
    The NRA knows that its cause is best served when guns are simply not a topic of debate for Congress or the country. The status quo is just fine with them.
    Any day the NRA is in the news is a bad day for the NRA.

    Make no mistake: This move on bump stocks is an attempt by the
    NRA to stop a broad public debate on guns before it really begins in earnest. And it almost certainly will work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomcat View Post
    ...NRA manoeuvring to outfox even more gun control:

    ks is an attempt by the(CNN) A quick glance at the TV Thursday afternoon produced a bit of a stunner: The National Rifle Association announced its support of further regulations on bump stocks,
    What a great way to deflect the argument.

    Of course all the rednecks will jump on this as proof that the NRA care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Do you think Australia didn't have unregistered guns, you feeble minded coffin dodger?

    Why ask the question, you were always going to try and fumble your way to refuting whatever anyone comes up with.
    No actually I did realize Australia had unregistered guns and I think they probably still do.

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    Kind of a ridiculous argument to say that because you can't get rid of all guns that therefore its pointless to even bother doing anything at all.

    That's either stupid and lazy, or just flat-out being disingenuous

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    No actually I did realize Australia had unregistered guns and I think they probably still do.
    So what's your point? If you have something refuting the success of the Aussie gun regulations, post a link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle junior View Post
    If you have something refuting the success of the Aussie gun regulations, post a link
    ...or perhaps a biblical quote that proves his point...

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    ironically if they had unversal health cover all the gun toting white boys could just get penis extensions instead

    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    and I think they probably still do
    latest gun amesty in QLD netted 16k weapons the other day - it was an australia wide amnesty started back in june I think

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    GOP - think that owning an arsenal of weapons is a right, getting medical treatment for being shot a privilege.

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    Another great day in Australia.

    Due to the nation’s controversial and oppressive gun restrictions, no one has died as a result of a mass-shooting on Australian soil today, for the 7827th day in a row.

    North Betoota cinema attendant, Christina Upton can’t believe it has been a whole 21 years and 57 days since a heavily armed white Australian male decided to shoot at a crowd of unsuspecting Australian civilians for no reason.


    She says the peaceful two decades that have followed are “probably” because the Australian government decided to strip her of a God-given right to own projectile weaponry capable of shooting down helicopters.

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    It seems that Starbucks could be behind the mass shootings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    Due to the nation’s controversial and oppressive gun restrictions, no one has died as a result of a mass-shooting on Australian soil today, for the 7827th day in a row.
    That's a lot of days. Seriously though...

    But gun control wouldn't work here because bad guys something something something blah blah blah repeat ad nauseum

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