The 'Americans Getting Shot' Thread

[cyrille]

Republicans propose mass student surveillance plan to prevent shootings
A new Senate bill would give a federally mandated boost to America’s growing school surveillance industry.

Senate Republicans have a new plan for preventing mass shootings: require public schools to use surveillance technology to monitor students’ online behavior for signs of violence or self-harm.


A new Republican bill that claims “to help prevent mass shootings” includes no new gun control measures. Instead, Republican lawmakers are supporting a huge, federally mandated boost to America’s growing school surveillance industry.


Millions of American students, across thousands of school districts, are already being monitored by tech companies that scan everything they write in school emails, chats and shared documents, looking for signs of suicidal thoughts or plans for a school shooting. This surveillance technology doesn’t turn off when the school day is over: anything students type in official school accounts is monitored 24 hours a day, whether they are in their classrooms or their bedrooms.

There is still no research evidence that demonstrates whether or not online monitoring of schoolchildren actually works to prevent violence.


Despite this, new legislation introduced Wednesday by Senator John Cornyn, a Texas Republican and longtime ally of the National Rifle Association (NRA), would update the Children’s Internet Protection Act to mandate that public schools adopt “a technology protection measure that detects online activities of minors who are at risk of committing self-harm or extreme violence against others”.


A spokesperson for Cornyn did not immediately respond to a request for comment on why he and other Senate Republicans are mandating that public schools adopt a new technology before there is any clear evidence that it’s effective in preventing violence.

The Cornyn bill, entitled the Response Act, includes a range of other policies without strong evidence of reducing mass shootings, including expediting the federal death penalty for perpetrators of mass shootings, a priority of Donald Trump.


Privacy advocates say pervasive surveillance is not appropriate for an educational setting, and that it may actually harm children, particularly students with disabilities and students of color, who are already disproportionately targeted with school disciplinary measures.


“You are forcing schools into a position where they would have to surveil by default,” said Amelia Vance, the director of education privacy at the Future of Privacy Forum.


“There’s a privacy debate to be had about whether surveillance is the right tactic to take in schools, whether it inhibits students trust in their schools and their ability to learn,” Vance said. But “the bottom line,” she said, is “we do not have evidence that violence prediction works”.

There’s no hard data on how many public schools are already monitoring what students write 24 hours a day. But Vance estimates that only a third of US school districts, at most, currently use this technology.


If Cornyn’s bill becomes law, “you’re going to force probably 10,000 districts to buy a new product that they’re going to have to implement”, she said.


That would mean redirecting public schools’ time and money away from strategies that are backed by evidence, such as supporting mental health and counseling services, and towards dealing with surveillance technologies, which often produce many false alarms, like alerts about essays on To Kill a Mockingbird.


Fear of school shootings has already fueled rapid growth in the school surveillance industry, particularly after a school shooting in Parkland, Florida, last year left 17 people dead. Companies that sell this technology are marketing it to schools with bold claims of lives saved – numbers based only on internal, anecdotal estimates, not independent analysis.


One leading school surveillance company, Gaggle, says its technology is currently used to monitor 4.5 million students across 1,400 school districts. The company claims that in the last academic year alone its technology “helped districts save the lives of more than 700 students who were planning or actually attempting suicide”.

Securly, another company, says its products are used to protect 10 million students across 10,000 individual schools. In the past year, Securly said it helped school officials intervene in 400 situations that presented an “imminent threat”.


Another company, Bark says it works with at least 1,400 school districts across the country, and claims its technology has helped prevent “16 credible school shootings” and detected “twenty thousand severe self-harm situations”. Bark, which sells a for-profit app to help parents monitor what their children are doing online, offers its surveillance technology to schools for free.


First passed in 2000, the Children’s Internet Protection Act was originally designed to make sure that American kids would not be looking at porn on taxpayer-funded school computers. It currently requires schools to monitor students’ “online activities”, although privacy experts say that what that means – and what constitutional limits there may be on the monitoring – have never been clearly defined.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...l-surveillance

[AntRobertson]

Wait... so some of the very same people who decry gun control as a limit of their freedoms now want a massive and obtrusive surveillance system!?

U.S.Aye??

[Klondyke]

Republicans propose mass student surveillance plan to prevent shootings

Why not to furnish the schools like a military base? Or perhaps like a prison where rarely the inmates are shot at... (OK, some hang themselves...)

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

Two people are reported dead and at least 14 injured after gunfire broke out at a late-night party in Greenville, Texas, meant to celebrate Texas A&M University-Commerce’s homecoming, according to the Hunt County Sheriff's Office.
On Monday, the office identified the two people who died as 23-year-old Kevin Berry Jr., of Dallas, and 23-year-old Byron Craven Jr., of Arlington.

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/10...enville-party/

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

quick search, and another...


7-year-old in bumblebee costume shot while trick-or-treating

A 7-year-old girl trick-or-treating in a bumblebee outfit was critically injured Thursday night during a shooting on Chicago's West Side. A video that has since gone viral shows trick-or-treaters running as the shots rang out.



The gunfire began when a group of men started chasing a 31-year-old man and began firing, according to police News Affairs Sargent Rocco Alioto. That man, who was shot in the hand, was taken to a local hospital where he's in stable condition.
But two of the bullets hit the 7-year-old girl, who was out collecting candy with her family. Fire Department spokesman Larry Langford says the girl was shot in the lower neck area Thursday and was taken by paramedics to a local hospital. Alioto said she's in critical condition.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/little-...ng-2019-10-31/

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

3 men were killed and 9 people were injured after a shooting at a Halloween party in Long Beach, California

Three people were killed and nine others were injured in a shooting in Long Beach, California on Tuesday, according to the Long Beach Fire Department. The incident occurred around 10:45 p.m. at a residence on Seventh Street.
No description of the shooter, who remains at large, has been released.
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At least three men were killed and nine people were rushed to the hospital after a shooting at a Halloween party at a Long Beach, California, home Tuesday night, according to the Long Beach Fire Department.
The fire department tweeted that they were called to a house on the 2700 block of Seventh Street at 10:44 p.m., where they found three dead men and nine injured adults. Five of the injured were in life-threatening condition while the other four were in non-life-threatening condition. Seven of the injured were women between the ages of 20 and 49, and two were men in their late 20s, according to a press release from the Long Beach Police Department.
The victims’ ages and cities of residence are as follows, according to the release:

• 20-year-old female resident of the City of Anaheim
• 27-year-old female resident of the City of Hawthorne
• 27-year-old male resident of the City of Cudahy
• 28-year-old female resident of the City of Los Angeles
• 28-year-old female resident of the City of Gardena
• 29-year-old male resident of the City of Hawthorne
• 30-year-old female resident of the City of Compton
• 32-year-old female resident of the City of Lawndale
• 49-year-old female resident of the City of Los Angeles

The three dead men appeared to be in their 20s, according to ABC 7.
The suspect, who remains at large, opened fire from an alley located behind the residence, police said.
The press release described the shooter as “a male of an unknown race wearing dark-colored clothing with his face concealed,” and police believe he fled in a dark-colored vehicle. Police told ABC 7 that they are looking into whether the shooter knew the victims at the party or if it was random.
“This is a tragic incident that is not at all reflective of our community,” Long Beach Police Department Chief of Police Robert Luna said in a statement. “We are committed to working tirelessly to bring those responsible to justice and provide the victims with the services they need.”
Footage from the local outlet showed paramedics treating patients on the scene before they were taken to the hospital.
Jennifer de Prez, a spokesperson for the Long Beach Police Department, said victims were found inside and outside the house, according to The New York Times.
Jake Heflin, a spokesman for the fire department, told ABC 7 that the shooting took place at a Halloween costume party, where there were 25-30 people in attendance.
“Obviously, our thoughts and prayers go out to the families that have been impacted by this tragic event,” Helfin told NBC News.

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https://www.msn.com/en-sg/news/other...nia/ar-AAJzOSv

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

Have just read through this entire thread. Noticed there have not been updates for a little while, but after a quick search, I came across the 2 recent incidents above. If I found those so easily, there are clearly a lot of shootings that dont get added to the thread. It`s mind blowing to read the statistics and charts posted here - thousands upon thousands of students alone, that die at the hand of a gun.

The culture is clearly too deeply entrenched for any real change to happen, despite the never ending piles of dead bodies. The power that the NRA hold over politicians too afraid to come out and just vote on a ban of the worst kind of weapons is mind blowing.

Despite students coming out in their masses pleading for change, nobody in the postion to has the balls to take the steps to implement real change.

This thread will never have a shortage of posts, as long as posters can be bothered posting updates.

Pure madness

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

[QUOTE]'Tarzan' star's son was unarmed when he was fatally shot by deputies, officials say[/QUOTE]

[The younger Ely, a 30-year-old Harvard University graduate, was killed Oct. 15 by four deputies who came to the actor’s California home in the nearby Hope Ranch area.

I get it - he killed his mother and was acting crazy, but being unarmed, are FOUR officers who would have been no doubt carrying tasers make it just another senseless death .... by the cops!
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...012251765.html

[cyrille]

Have just read through this entire thread. Noticed there have not been updates for a little while, but after a quick search, I came across the 2 recent incidents above. If I found those so easily, there are clearly a lot of shootings that dont get added to the thread. It`s mind blowing to read the statistics and charts posted here - thousands upon thousands of students alone, that die at the hand of a gun.

Did you take a look at this site?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

[harrybarracuda]

Did you take a look at this site?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Because there are so many shootings and mass shootings, I tend to only post the high casualty, young victim or unusual ones.

I suspect I'm not alone.

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

Did you take a look at this site?

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

Fuck me.

Scary stats!

Over 20,000 suicides each year, at the hand of a gun.

You can bet your life that the quota would be far less if the readily available option was using a box cutter instead of just pulling a trigger in a moment of madness.

[cyrille]

Sure.

The site I linked to has the exhaustive stats and an awful lot of work doubtless goes into it.

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

In this April 10, 2013 photo, craftsman Veetek Witkowski holds a newly assembled AR-15 rifle at the Stag Arms company in New Britain, Conn. (AP)




Despite nearly 40,000 American gun deaths in 2017, gun control opponents, including the National Rifle Association and the president, have blocked universal background checks, red flag laws and bans on assault weapons and large capacity magazines, claiming such controls won’t prevent shootings.


But if they are correct that these proposed gun-control bills are ineffective “half-measures,” then there should be no objection to a full-measure solution to gun terror.


With apologies to Thomas Jefferson: When in the course of human events the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness has been superseded by the right of people to keep and bear arms without adequate regulation, it becomes time to repeal the Second Amendment of the Constitution.


I anticipate gun owners echoing the slogan: You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands. Guns, they say, don’t kill people — people do.


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But which people? The NRA and President Donald Trump have blamed the mentally ill. But those who pull triggers include everyone from the calculating to the impulsive; the angry to the frightened; the bullied to the bullies; the entitled to the alienated; the egotistical to the depressed. In other words: Guns are us.




Guns have become lethal extensions of some gun-owners’ emotional outbursts. And the public square has regressed into the Wild West as people shoot over parking spaces, lost jobs, spilled drinks and perceived slights.


And with some 350 mass shootings so far this year, gun violence, which has long plagued our city streets, has been brought into America’s back yards. Consequently, some parents no longer take for granted their children’s safety in schools, places of worship, entertainment venues, shopping malls, and even in neighbor’s home.


Passing through metal detectors, emptying our pockets and being frisked have been normalized. School children practice evasive action drills. In other words, our right to life and liberty is threatened by a gun culture run amok. If we don’t stand our ground against the proliferation of guns, we will, in effect, be reduced to human targets in a public shooting gallery.


According to David Hemenway, the director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, the United States leads the developed world in gun-related homicides because it has more guns than any other developed nation. America has 120 guns per 100 persons, concentrated in the hand of only 42 percent of American households. But what about everyone’s right to life that some gun owners threaten?


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In the republic’s early days, security depended on citizen-armed militias and individual gun ownership. But as former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens (a Republican) said, the Second Amendment is “a relic of the 18th century.” Indeed, former Chief Justice Warren Burger (also a Republican) called the Second Amendment the “subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public.”


I’m not suggesting we arrest legal gun owners and indiscriminately confiscate their guns. However, the further sale of guns to citizens should be halted, current gun owners should be required to keep their weapons locked in their homes, and any guns carried outside the home should be seized, permanently, whenever law enforcement detects them.


The gun problem will not be solved overnight. Kevin McMahon, an expert in constitutional law and professor of political science at Trinity College said repealing the Second Amendment would require “a sea-change” in how Americans think about gun control and the right to bear arms.


But such sea changes in American attitudes have created watershed policy and legal changes throughout the development of our republic, like the abolition of slavery; the passage of the 19th Amendment that gave women the right to vote; the passage and subsequent repeal of Prohibition; and the passage of civil rights laws.


More recently, we have banned cigarette smoking in public places because of the danger it poses to non-smokers, and recently President Trump proposed banning some vaping products after a number of deaths. It follows that weapons used to kill tens of thousands citizens in American each year should also be banned.


If we consider that 15 times more U.S. citizens died by gunfire in America in one year than all American soldiers killed in Afghanistan in 18 years, then our nation’s most immediate source of terrorism exists within our borders, perpetrated, in part, by legally armed citizens, and facilitated by the obsolete Second Amendment.


Thomas Cangelosi lives in Avon.

https://www.courant.com/opinion/op-ed/hc-op-cangelosi-second-amendment-1103-20191103-m6x5zhjznncmbjfpsmft4ny5yq-story.html√

[Latindancer]

15 times more U.S. citizens died by gunfire in America in one year than all American soldiers killed in Afghanistan in 18 years


WOW !

[Wally Dorian Raffles]

California school shooting: Santa Clarita attack leaves two dead











Media captionLA county sheriff: "I hate to have Saugus added to Sandy Hook and Columbine"Two students have been killed and three others injured by a gunman who opened fire at a secondary school in California, officials say.
The shooting took place at the Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, north of Los Angeles, minutes before the school day was due to begin.
A 16-year-old male suspect, who was also injured, was taken into custody.
Many US schools have implemented active shooter drills in recent years after fatal attacks around the country.

• America's gun culture in charts
• What do US Democrats want to do about guns?

What do we know about the shooting?








Media captionAerial views of the scene show students being evacuatedThe shooting was first reported at 07:38 local time (15:38 GMT), LA county sheriff Alex Villanueva told a press conference. "Within seconds we received multiple [emergency] calls," he said, adding that the first police units had arrived at the scene within two minutes.
Police found six people suffering from gunshot wounds and transferred them to local hospitals - and the suspect was later identified as one of those injured, Mr Villanueva said.



Two victims - a 16-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy - died of their injuries, police said. The other victims were two girls aged 15 and 14, and a 14-year-old boy.
The suspect was "identified as a 16-year-old male whose birthday was today", firearms expert Captain Kent Wegener said. He was named by US media as Nathaniel Berhow.








Media captionSaugus High School students "barricaded doors" during shootingAccording to surveillance footage, the suspect took a gun out of his backpack and shot the five students, before turning the gun on himself. The weapon recovered was an emptied .45 calibre semi-automatic pistol, Mr Wegener added. Police said they had located the suspect's home and would search it for evidence.
What was it like for other students?

Saugus High School and other neighbouring schools were placed on lockdown during the shooting. The lockdown was lifted about three hours later.
LA undersheriff Tim Murakami wrote on Twitter that police would be interviewing all Saugus High School students before releasing them to their parents. He added that they would investigate rumours that the suspect had posted threats on social media.

One student told NBC she was doing her homework when people started running. "I was really, really scared. I was shaking," she said.
Another student, named as Azalea, told CBS she and her classmates had barricaded the classroom door with chairs. "It was just really scary, having everybody panic and call their parents, saying they love you."

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News of the attack emerged during a Senate debate on gun control legislation. Senator Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat, was arguing for gun control when he was given a note with the news.
"We are complicit if we fail to act," he said. "It is not just a political responsibility, it is a moral imperative."
Meanwhile, the acting Homeland Security Secretary, Chad Wolf, said in a statement that his department took school shootings "very seriously" and would help the authorities "develop trainings and resources to improve response capabilities and better protect soft targets".
Gun control, and the right to bear arms, is a divisive political issue in the US. About 40% of Americans say they own a gun or live in a household with one, according to a 2017 survey, and the rate of murder or manslaughter by firearm in the country is the highest in the developed world.
According to the Washington Post, more than 230,000 young people in the US have experienced gun violence at school since the Columbine High School massacre in Colorado in 1999.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50422956

[harrybarracuda]

A 16-year-old male suspect, who was also injured, was taken into custody.

If he put a .45 bullet into his head, the outlook is bleak.

[AntRobertson]

'Thoughts & Prayers(TM)'

[harrybarracuda]

USA! USA! etc.

Fucking dimwits.

[AntRobertson]

...









Still too soon to talk about gun control?

[Stumpy]

What is most disturbing are all the same ol same comments by political asshats. " We live in a small community and this never happens, I am shocked" or " Our hearts and prayers got out to the families and their loss". Now to follow is "GUN CONTROL!!!!!". Then a few weeks its forgotten and we wait for the next one.

My Dad pinged me this morning about the shooting and said The shooter wasn't very prepared like others, Showed up with a 9mm and one clip. Fortunate for others in the bigger picture.

[harrybarracuda]

[Stumpy]

There was another shooting that will not make big world news but a guy shot his wife and 3 boys then off'd himself in San Diego Calif. Total dead 5.

That's not enough to raise big news concern. It takes a public random shooting to make news. Personal shootings stay local to the area and only make news after 3 or more dead.

[cyrille]

^

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...565039022.html

This gun violence archive is impressive.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/

[AntRobertson]

I'll take your word for it...

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[panama hat]

Looks like it's all under control . . . all in the name of preparing for government tyranny