Execute or life in prison...

**Captain Sensible** · 19-12-2005, 09:05 AM

I dont think that we will ever find an answer to this often posed question. We have seen it posed in one form or another both here and at the teachers site on many occasions. It is a question that cuts right at our human values and affords everyone who offers thier opinion on this topic to be God for a day, as it were.
While I acknowledge that my stance on this issue can easily be argued as being idealistic or maybe even altruistic my advocacy is borne of the general question and is a conclusion that I arrive at without looking at some of the horrific details of any one particular crime that posters offer in support of thier arguement.
It is true that there are a great many criminals for whom there is no hope of rehabilitation as thier twisted approach to life and the lives of others is beyond any current corrective methods. In cases such as these, are we to simply give up and remove them from the planet and in doing so end the problem? In my opinion, I think not, as it has indeed not ended the problem because there will be another such case to deal without doubt.
Are we, as a human society, to exhaust all avenues of assistance for these twisted souls and then throw our hands in the air when no solution can be found and simply execute them, often in a cruel and very violent way?
Again, I think not as in doing so, we are saying that we have no solution.

All this is assuming that the evidence is complete and final and that no more remains to be discovered either before or after thier execution. If for no other reason than past experience has shown that new evidence does come to light, after the fact, and innocent folk have been killed based on incorrect evidence, we, as a race, should never level death as a punishment because we are human and, as such, are prone to error.

Life, no matter how turgid and ugly or twisted in the eye of the sane, is everything.

**poolcleaner** · 19-12-2005, 10:49 AM

Well I think I'm God everyday and I say "Hang the fokkers!"

**forreachingme** · 19-12-2005, 11:22 AM

kill one and get life sentence

kill a thousand and be president

not yet started, do not want to be president anyway...

**mrsquirrel** · 20-12-2005, 05:06 PM

I followed a slightly rocky road not too many years ago where I knew the risks involved and was prepared to do the time if it came down to it.

If you break the law in a place with the death penalty then you have made that choice. The law is the law (unless in Thailand I know).

Whether or not it is right or wrong is not upto us to decide.

If you don't want to die break the law somewhere where you aren't going to be killed for it. If you rape or kill children or women you are going to get a serious beating in prison - probably won't come out the same shape you went in either.

**Whiteshiva** · 21-12-2005, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by mrsquirrel

I followed a slightly rocky road not too many years ago where I knew the risks involved and was prepared to do the time if it came down to it.

If you break the law in a place with the death penalty then you have made that choice. The law is the law (unless in Thailand I know).

Whether or not it is right or wrong is not upto us to decide.

If you don't want to die break the law somewhere where you aren't going to be killed for it. If you rape or kill children or women you are going to get a serious beating in prison - probably won't come out the same shape you went in either.

This is pretty much my feeling on the subject as well - In principle I am against the death penalty, but if the law stipulates execution for certain crimes, that's it. We can work for changing the law, but not to make exceptions for certain cases - like in the recent Singapore execution of an Australian drug smuggler.

Hope I am not pissing anyone off by writing this - this was the very topic that got me banned from TV!!!

WS

**poolcleaner** · 21-12-2005, 10:16 AM

What exactly lead to you getting banned WS?

I think it's a good idea to highlight just what goes on over there!

**dirtydog** · 21-12-2005, 12:19 PM

Whats wrong with Singaporeans executing Aussie drug dealers? It's their country and their laws, he didn't have to goto Singapore to sell drugs, much safer to sell them in aussie land

**DrAndy** · 21-12-2005, 03:58 PM

I suppose that the horror of error should be enough to get rid of any death penalty. I am sure three sets of IRA suspects, who were convicted and several years later freed on appeal, would have been killed if the UK had the death penalty. For instance.

But really, if you are a civilised person, why would you want to kill someone, even if second hand through a justice system?

Yes, revenge for your family etc as FF points out, but that is fleeting and inadequate. They are still dead.

Society has a requirment to rehabilitate, or keep incarcerated, any killers. The fact that the prison system is not perfect, nowhere near, is not the point. It too is uncivilised. But it is a step nearer a goal of us being "good" human beings, unlike a killer.

I don't want to sanction my government to kill anyone. In a democracy we are responsible for the actions of the government.

**hillbilly** · 05-03-2006, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by hillbilly

The second one was a drug deal gone wrong. A snitch died.Tiny, the biker guy was the one they caught.

Lifes funny aint it? All true and kan be verified...

I am literally sick to my stomach. After all these years I found out the truth. Fok me!

http://stlouis.about.com/gi/dynamic/...nt/inmates.htm

**Marmite the Dog** · 06-03-2006, 03:01 AM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

I am sure three sets of IRA suspects, who were convicted and several years later freed on appeal, would have been killed if the UK had the death penalty. For instance.

But the chances are that they are still IRA scum is 99.5% certain. That's good enough for me - hang the kunts.

**barbaro** · 09-03-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Whats wrong with Singaporeans executing Aussie drug dealers? It's their country and their laws, he didn't have to goto Singapore to sell drugs, much safer to sell them in aussie land

My first rememberance of the executing of dope smugglers in Singapore was in the late 80s. Two Aussies (I think) got caught. Sentence is death. OZ government lobbies, and lobbies. They execute them.

Almost 20 years later, Mr. Van Nguyen smuggles almost 400 hundred grams through singapore, when the mandatory death sentence is for 15 grams or more.

Van Nguyen is the winner of the Darwin award of 2006.

The most laughable comment I heard from his suppoters was this:

"He was ignorant."

You gotta be f*cking kidding me.

**cantona** · 09-03-2006, 11:10 AM

Good thread this one. I think I would rather be executed by lethal injection than have to serve a life sentence in Bang Kwang if there was no such thing as the King's pardon and life meant life.

**Whiteshiva** · 09-03-2006, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Whats wrong with Singaporeans executing Aussie drug dealers? It's their country and their laws, he didn't have to goto Singapore to sell drugs, much safer to sell them in aussie land

My first rememberance of the executing of dope smugglers in Singapore was in the late 80s. Two Aussies (I think) got caught. Sentence is death. OZ government lobbies, and lobbies. They execute them.

Almost 20 years later, Mr. Van Nguyen smuggles almost 400 hundred grams through singapore, when the mandatory death sentence is for 15 grams or more.

Van Nguyen is the winner of the Darwin award of 2006.

The most laughable comment I heard from his suppoters was this:

"He was ignorant."

You gotta be f*cking kidding me.

This was the topic that got me banned from TV. I stated that the Australians who protested against Van Nguyens death sentence were hypocrites, since there was no similar uproar from Australia when the Bali bombers were sentenced to death. You are either against the death sentence, or you are not.

Based on the above statement, Dr. PolPot accused me of .......racism!!!!!

**barbaro** · 09-03-2006, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

This was the topic that got me banned from TV. I stated that the Australians who protested against Van Nguyens death sentence were hypocrites, since there was no similar uproar from Australia when the Bali bombers were sentenced to death. You are either against the death sentence, or you are not.

Based on the above statement, Dr. PolPot accused me of .......racism!!!!!

That's either a 1) bad thought process or 2) stupidity.

Both go hand in hand.

Honestly, Thai Visa is the most boring, badly moderated, bad atmosphere forum, I've ever visited. (Just MO).

Let them run their little speudo-ego kingdom.

**obsidian** · 24-03-2006, 08:19 PM

life w/o

**NE2u** · 24-03-2006, 08:27 PM

If i were inside for life id top myself anyways so i say execute

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