Iran

**zygote1** · 10-11-2014, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by blackgaia

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Salam Effendi - nice input. How are things in Iran then?

Shit, we established that pages ago.

Especially next week. It's Muharram!

First of all why do you so hate of Iran and its people my friend ?
Can I ask you what did they do to you ?
Obviously this picture is not from Iran ! it's in Iraq because this kind of act is forbidden in Iran ! yes forbidden !
you can't judge a country and it's people only from anonymous pictures from media !
You can come to Iran and see our hospitality by yourself and see what is medias show you from Iran are completely wrong ! these are just American propaganda against Iran and it's people man !
seeing , believing !

What has Iran done to me? Well, let's see;
- Supplied violent killers with sophisticated weapons. (Note that I did not use the term "terrorists".)
- Meddled in the political affairs of Iraq and the Gulf arab states. (Please don't say, but XXX meddles too, because Iran is supposedly pure as the driven snow, right?)
- Seized sovereign territory of the UAE.
- Persecuted Kurds, Christians, Bahais and Jews.
- Been responsible for the torture and murder of multiple journalists and dissidents , who just dsappeared. E.g. Canadian journalist Zahra Kazemi who was tortured and killed while in Iranian custody.
- Persecuted people who were gay, or wanted to have a bit of fun. Hanging adolescent kids because they are gay is wrong.For gender reassignment of homosexuals is wrong and medically unethical. It is hypocritical when the very same people who applauded the public killings of gay teens go to Pattaya to engage in depraved sexual acts with impoverished adolescents and young boys. I remember my days in Patong where Farsi speakers with their kathoey whores were ever present.
- Anthony Bourdain is not known for his independent thinking or knowledge of geo-political affairs. He has drawn the ire of responsible chefs for his support of barbaric food preparation activities. He is entitled to his opinions and he is easily fooled, His visit was not done with any semblance of freedom of movement. Iranian PR people were assigned to his group and he went where they wanted him to go. In plain language, he did not have freedom of movement. He went to restaurants and venues his handlers deemed safe. This is the same M.O. as in North Korea.

Iran has justifiably earned its reputation as a totalitarian state where the mullahs dictate what people are allowed to do. One day the Sunnis will dispose of this Shia military state and when that happens, you can go and fight for Iran.

**Neverna** · 10-11-2014, 08:23 AM

So what has Iran done to you, zygote1? (None of your reply above is about YOU).

**slackula** · 10-11-2014, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

What are your thoughts on furthering Iran's nuclear ambitions ?

If JSIL can have them why not Iran?

**harrybarracuda** · 10-11-2014, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

What are your thoughts on furthering Iran's nuclear ambitions ?

If JSIL can have them why not Iran?

Yes, but that was before the country was run by murderous beardy twat terrorists.

**OhOh** · 12-11-2014, 09:33 AM

^You wont be too unhappy about this then

"Russia is to build eight nuclear power units in Iran, as a new partnership agreement, guaranteed by the IAEA, was signed in Moscow on Tuesday. The head of the Rosatom, Sergey Kirienko, and the chief of the Atomic Energy Agency of Iran, Ali Akbar Salehi, signed a series of documents, promoting the links in the field of peaceful application of atomic energy between the countries, RIA Novosti reports.
According to the agreement, Russia is to construct eight units with pressurized water reactors “turn-key ready” in Iran. Four of them will be built at the Bushehr Nuclear Power Plant, also completed by Russia a year ago.
Besides, nuclear fuel for the future reactors will be provided by Russia during the whole life cycle of the new reactors. Spent fuel will be returned for processing and storage."

http://rt.com/news/204371-iran-russia-nuclear-deal/

**harrybarracuda** · 12-11-2014, 12:09 PM

Not at all, as long as the IAEA have full access. Otherwise they'll just get bombed to dust innit?

**OhOh** · 13-11-2014, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

as long as the IAEA have full access

That is the clincher, I wonder how many other countries allow similar access.

**slackula** · 13-11-2014, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

That is the clincher, I wonder how many other countries allow similar access.

Iran should be held to exactly the same standards as Israel...

**PeeCoffee** · 03-12-2014, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

That aside I don't believe it is any countries intention to annihilate Iran.

Oh really?

Originally Posted by PeeCoffee

If the sheriffs are holding the gun or the potential of a serious 'big gun' (stealth deterrent)

Now why do you believe and perpetuate the myth that the US is the worlds Sheriff. If they are, they are following the Thai Police model of being the Sheriff.

In reply to your posted map I still don't believe it is any countries sole intention to annihilate Iran.
The US currently operates more than 600 bases internationally.
Specifically many of those 45 black dots could be said to represent "securing oil resources."

Keeping in mind that some have been logistically located in countries that have requested additional security either in advance of conflict or directly because of conflict / war (whether morally right or wrong).

Currently there is a much larger emphasis looking due north over the Caspian Sea well past of Iran's borders.

Again, that Bad Sheriff could utilize surface and sub-surface naval launch platforms to send Code Red instructions to the Iranian leadership. I'm just saying they could.

The rules of the playground have only changed slightly from Queen Victoria's day.

**MrG** · 04-12-2014, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by quimbian corholla

Originally Posted by OhOh

That is the clincher, I wonder how many other countries allow similar access.

Iran should be held to exactly the same standards as Israel...

I don't believe Israel is a signatory to the IAEA or any other nuclear regulatory agency. The reason is that Israel has never admitted to having nuclear weapons, therefore nothing to regulate.

The Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, commonly known as the Non-Proliferation Treaty or NPT, is an international treaty whose objective is to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, to promote cooperation in the peaceful uses of nuclear energy, and to further the goal of achieving nuclear disarmament and general and complete disarmament.[1]

Opened for signature in 1968, the Treaty entered into force in 1970. On 11 May 1995, the Treaty was extended indefinitely. More countries have adhered to the NPT than any other arms limitation and disarmament agreement, a testament to the Treaty's significance.[1] A total of 190 states have joined the Treaty, though North Korea, which acceded to the NPT in 1985 but never came into compliance, announced its withdrawal in 2003.[2] Four UN member states have never joined the NPT: India, Israel, Pakistan and South Sudan.

The treaty recognizes five states as nuclear-weapon states: the United States, Russia, the United Kingdom, France, and China (also the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council). Four other states are known or believed to possess nuclear weapons: India, Pakistan and North Korea have openly tested and declared that they possess nuclear weapons, while Israel has had a policy of opacity regarding its nuclear weapons program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_...uclear_Weapons

**MrG** · 04-12-2014, 08:13 AM

And this:

UN Votes for Israel to Renounce Nuclear Weapons

Israel is the only Middle East country that is not party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and should ”accede to that treaty without further delay, not to develop, produce test or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons, to renounce possession of nuclear weapons,” The Associated Press reported.

UN Votes for Israel to Renounce Nuclear Weapons | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com

**Nathan Napalm** · 04-12-2014, 08:26 AM

What's interesting on this map also, is that it shows how much of a presence the US has in Pakistan. Strange - you wouldn't think they'd be best buddies .

Of course you fvcking would

**PeeCoffee** · 04-12-2014, 12:29 PM

^^^ Nathan, there isn't much of a presence since the killing of A-Q's Osama bin Laden.

I believe there still are two 'drones' support bases (one of which is operated by CIA).
For the record I can neither support or specifically confirm that belief.

Some Pakistani military bases are still considered or listed as bases as they allow US agencies and military to utilize said bases at future dates ...of course for humanitarian purposes ;-)

**harrybarracuda** · 04-12-2014, 05:02 PM

Good to see Iran saving the US a few quid and bombing ISIS. The enemy of my enemy.....

**OhOh** · 08-12-2014, 02:36 PM

^ ISIS is an enemy of the US, for sure.

Unless of course the Iranians plan to stay in the part of Iraq they liberate from the US trained, armed and directed ISIS. Along with retaining the oil fields captured

You know, the same way that ISIS plans to liberate parts of Syria from the elected Syrian government and retain possession. So they can put an Qatari/Israeli gas pipe from the ME to the Turkish/Greek border/EU.

Similar to the announced Russian/Turkish pipeline taking Russian gas to the EU

**bsnub** · 08-12-2014, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

US trained, armed and directed ISIS.

Citation please? I have heard many nitwits on this forum make this claim but not one has been able to provide one shred of credible proof.

Originally Posted by OhOh

You know, the same way that ISIS plans to liberate parts of Syria from the elected Syrian government and retain possession. So they can put an Qatari/Israeli gas pipe from the ME to the Turkish/Greek border/EU.

**harrybarracuda** · 08-12-2014, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by OhOh

US trained, armed and directed ISIS.

Citation please? I have heard many nitwits on this forum make this claim but not one has been able to provide one shred of credible proof.

Source: Nutjob Alex Jones.

**OhOh** · 09-12-2014, 02:46 PM

^^ & ^

Originally Posted by bsnub

Citation please?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Source: Nutjob Alex Jones.

United Nations Official Document

**bsnub** · 09-12-2014, 03:27 PM

^ More smoke and mirrors eh OhDOH? That document has no evidence to back up your nonsensical claims.

**RPETER65** · 09-12-2014, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

^ ISIS is an enemy of the US, for sure.

Unless of course the Iranians plan to stay in the part of Iraq they liberate from the US trained, armed and directed ISIS. Along with retaining the oil fields captured

You know, the same way that ISIS plans to liberate parts of Syria from the elected Syrian government and retain possession. So they can put an Qatari/Israeli gas pipe from the ME to the Turkish/Greek border/EU.

Similar to the announced Russian/Turkish pipeline taking Russian gas to the EU

Are you saying the US trained and directed ISIS?

**MrG** · 09-12-2014, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by OhOh

^^ & ^

Originally Posted by bsnub

Citation please?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Source: Nutjob Alex Jones.

United Nations Official Document

Pretty big document, OhOh. Care to cite the paragraph number.

**harrybarracuda** · 09-12-2014, 10:30 PM

The Americans and the Gulf Arabs armed and funded Sunni Syrian opposition and the ISIS boys moved in and took advantage.

This, in the minds of the OhOhs of this world, mean that the US trained and directed ISIS. Of course it's a load of bollocks.

**sabang** · 10-12-2014, 08:23 AM

Had the US not
1- disastrously invaded Iraq &
2- materially assisted the Islamist Syrian rebels

Would there be an ISIS 'Caliphate' now?
No, there wouldn't be.

**bsnub** · 10-12-2014, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Had the US not
1- disastrously invaded Iraq &
2- materially assisted the Islamist Syrian rebels

Would there be an ISIS 'Caliphate' now?
No, there wouldn't be.

Your number one is exactly correct it was the misguided invasion of Iraq that created this whole mess. The arab spring most likely would have never reached Syria if Saddam and the old Iraq were still in place. So in that context the US did create ISIS.

Number two makes no sense. Just who are you referring to when you say "Islamist Syrian rebels"? The FSA? Nusra? ISIS? Can you be a little more vague please?

Of those groups the only one that has got any assistance from the US has been the FSA and it has not been much. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself about these groups instead of lumping them all together.

**pseudolus** · 10-12-2014, 09:11 AM

Snubbles I like how you can tell the difference between the "friendly" rebels and the "unfriendly"rebels consistently. You seem, along with the powers in washington and their lapdog media to know that they are not just rebels and that training, funding and arming rebels does not mean that the "unfriendly" ones are getting the goodies. Such insight you have, such brilliance you possess to trust that who Washington says are nice and bad are correct when on the flip side, you freely admit that washington is a vipers nest of war mongering blood thirsty sold out to large corporation despotic lying koonts who would do anything to advance their tyranny and profits.

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