Thread: Cold war starting again?

With most sane and vaguely intelligent people seeing through the fabricated War on Terror / Islam these days, it seems highly likely that we will instead be plunged into the cold war again

US says Russia breached nuclear treaty | World news | theguardian.com

The Obama administration in Washington has accused Russia of conducting missile tests in violation of a 1987 nuclear treaty, calling the breach "a very serious matter" and bringing into the public sphere allegations that have simmered for some time.

Cold War II will have it all.

Fear
Threat warnings
Merchanidising
Proxy wars
and most importantly...

A good old fashioned funding unlimited arms race.

Whooopeee.

It allegedly happened in 2008, or started in 2008, but the yanks have decided to mention it now. Despite that, yes, it's getting decidedly colder. The yanks want to be number one with no dissenters. Russia refuses to bend over and take it up the arse like the UK and the rest of western Europe.

Russias expansionist desires mark it out as a true thug state, and a threat to Europe.

Stand up to it now or reap the conseqences later, same as Islam.

it seems that the Obama administration is running out of options for the next villain to go after

oh, for the last few weeks there is this plan by the Republicans to impeach Obama for incompetence, and yes, they are serious and this is being taken seriously by the WH

could explain all the war noises and the laissez faire attitude toward Israel war crimes

Oh Goody!
Something to look forward to.

Yet, in the eyes of particular parties, the Russians have never ceased to be an enemy. With the invented Islamic enemy holding steady and other assortment of possibilities on the horizon - the future looks bright.

In search for boogeymen.
Perpetual war for perpetual peace.

That is obviously what the US wants. Time for the EU to grow some balls- might need some stem cell research though.

Hurt Russia, hurt EU, sell more weapons. Monsanto & fracking. Hardly genius stuff. US just acting in it's own perceived self interest, yawwn.

Originally Posted by sabang

That is obviously what the US wants. Time for the EU to grow some balls- might need some stem cell research though.

Hurt Russia, hurt EU, sell more weapons. Monsanto & fracking. Hardly genius stuff. US just acting in it's own perceived self interest, yawwn.

Yep...
The growing empire.

Just wait till the Chinks get started

Originally Posted by sabang

Hurt Russia, hurt EU, sell more weapons. Monsanto & fracking. Hardly genius stuff. US just acting in it's own perceived self interest, yawwn

Aye, there's the rub.

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Just wait till the Chinks get started

Not their style.
Not necessary when basically have control of everything anyway.

Clever and quiet Chinks.

Pat Buchanans take :





In short, Ukraine’s independence was never part of America’s agenda. From 1933 to 1991, it was never a U.S. vital interest. Bush I was against it.
When then did this issue of whose flag flies over Donetsk or Crimea become so crucial that we would arm Ukrainians to fight Russian-backed rebels and consider giving a NATO war guarantee to Kiev, potentially bringing us to war with a nuclear-armed Russia?
From FDR on, U.S. presidents have felt that America could not remain isolated from the rulers of the world’s largest nation.
Ike invited Khrushchev to tour the USA after he had drowned the Hungarian Revolution in blood. After Khrushchev put missiles in Cuba, JFK was soon calling for a new detente at American University.
Within weeks of Warsaw Pact armies crushing the Prague Spring in August 1968, LBJ was seeking a summit with Premier Alexei Kosygin.
After excoriating Moscow for the downing of KAL 007 in 1983, that old Cold Warrior Ronald Reagan was fishing for a summit meeting.
The point: Every president from FDR through George H. W. Bush, even after collisions with Moscow far more serious than this clash over Ukraine, sought to re-engage the men in the Kremlin.

Originally Posted by Neverna

It allegedly happened in 2008, or started in 2008, but the yanks have decided to mention it now. Despite that, yes, it's getting decidedly colder. The yanks want to be number one with no dissenters. Russia refuses to bend over and take it up the arse like the UK and the rest of western Europe.

The US sees Russia as a threat to the petrodollar. Its very simple

Originally Posted by sabang

That is obviously what the US wants. Time for the EU to grow some balls- might need some stem cell research though.

Hurt Russia, hurt EU, sell more weapons. Monsanto & fracking. Hardly genius stuff. US just acting in it's own perceived self interest, yawwn.

what it the EU and the US are all owned by the same people.... and they all want the same thing....

Originally Posted by zygote1

Wars and scourge are not good for profits

One of the funniest things I have read in a long long time.

Do you have any other doozies to throw out?

(Oh, and the wealthy do not pay taxes, and they certainly do not care about consumers....why do you think they let them send their kids off to die for their profits, and never ever their own.....)

Originally Posted by zygote1

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by sabang

That is obviously what the US wants. Time for the EU to grow some balls- might need some stem cell research though.

Hurt Russia, hurt EU, sell more weapons. Monsanto & fracking. Hardly genius stuff. US just acting in it's own perceived self interest, yawwn.

what it the EU and the US are all owned by the same people.... and they all want the same thing....

They want a peaceful environment with low taxes so they can enjoy their wealth. Wars and scourge are not good for profits despite the nonsense about the military industrial complex look to make arms sales. The profit margins on consumer goods are much higher than on war materiel. In time of war, taxes are higher and the wealthy do not like taxes.

Petrodollar. It is a word recognized by most spell checks.

Nixon negotiated a deal with Saudi Arabia that in exchange for arms and protection they would denominate all future oil sales in U.S. dollars. Subsequently, the other OPEC countries agreed to similar deals thus ensuring a global demand for U.S. dollars and allowing the U.S. to export some of its inflation.[2] Since these dollars did not circulate within the country they were not part of the normal money supply, economists felt another term was necessary to describe the dollars received by petroleum exporting countries (OPEC) in exchange for oil, so the term petrodollar was coined by Georgetown University economics professor, Ibrahim Oweiss. Because the United States was the largest producer and consumer of oil in the world, the world oil market had been priced in United States dollars since the end of World War II.[3] International oil prices were based on discounts or premiums relative to that for oil in the Gulf of Mexico.[4] But, although oil sales prior to 1973 were denominated in U.S. dollars nothing precluded settlement in local currency.
In October 1973, OPEC declared an oil embargo in response to the United States' and Western Europe's support of Israel in the Yom Kippur War and this tension (and new power of OPEC) led to fear that the dollar would become insignificant in the oil trade.


In the existing system, all transactions actually must be settled in U.S. dollars, creating a world-wide demand for dollars. The petrodollar system also meant that the U.S., the largest consumer of oil in the world, gained the power to buy oil with a currency it can print at will.

Originally Posted by TimSharky

Petrodollar. It is a word recognized by most spell checks.

Without the petrodollar, the USD crumbles.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by sabang

That is obviously what the US wants. Time for the EU to grow some balls- might need some stem cell research though.

Hurt Russia, hurt EU, sell more weapons. Monsanto & fracking. Hardly genius stuff. US just acting in it's own perceived self interest, yawwn.

what it the EU and the US are all owned by the same people.... and they all want the same thing....

Militarism becomes the protector and instigator.
Wars are about mineral resources [including potable water] now.

Intelligent insights from prof Steven Cohen

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by TimSharky

Petrodollar. It is a word recognized by most spell checks.

Without the petrodollar, the USD crumbles.

Rubbish. wars arise from disputes over scarce resources; Water, food, and in this era, energy. The USA is one of the few countries which is essentially self-sufficent and has relatively safe borders. Unlike the EU, the USA is awash in energy resources and is next door to two of the world's largest energy exporters. It also sits next door the one of the world's largest agricultural product key reservoirs (water & potash) The USA could suffer catastrophic disasters and still keep on ticking. Yes, the quality of life would deteriorate, but the USA would still have resources that could meet its needs. The petrodollar is as safe as it gets and subject to a fairly reliable regulatory network. The same can not be said to about other currencies. The proposals for an "energy currency" would require the creation of an expensive new system that would be subject to the vagaries of countries in Gulf, and China, Russia etc. Despite all the talk by economists promoting their theories, none has factored in such factors as human emotions and weaknesses (e.g. greed, fear and avarice). In times of international unrest, many of the people who have decision making power look to the reliability and stability of anything American.

Originally Posted by zygote1

The petrodollar is as safe as it gets and subject to a fairly reliable regulatory network.

Only as long as the US forces regime change in any country who dares to attempt to buy or sell oil or gas in a currency that is not the USD.

The Russia China deal recently will have put the shits up the US - hence why they are accelerating their push towards a new cold war with Russia.

Originally Posted by zygote1

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by TimSharky

Petrodollar. It is a word recognized by most spell checks.

Without the petrodollar, the USD crumbles.

Rubbish. wars arise from disputes over scarce resources; Water, food, and in this era, energy. The USA is one of the few countries which is essentially self-sufficent and has relatively safe borders. Unlike the EU, the USA is awash in energy resources and is next door to two of the world's largest energy exporters. It also sits next door the one of the world's largest agricultural product key reservoirs (water & potash) The USA could suffer catastrophic disasters and still keep on ticking. Yes, the quality of life would deteriorate, but the USA would still have resources that could meet its needs. The petrodollar is as safe as it gets and subject to a fairly reliable regulatory network. The same can not be said to about other currencies. The proposals for an "energy currency" would require the creation of an expensive new system that would be subject to the vagaries of countries in Gulf, and China, Russia etc. Despite all the talk by economists promoting their theories, none has factored in such factors as human emotions and weaknesses (e.g. greed, fear and avarice). In times of international unrest, many of the people who have decision making power look to the reliability and stability of anything American.

As for your energy independence nonsense.

Bubble

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With all booms comes the inevitable bust. This is no different with shale oil. The majority of shale oil production in the U.S. comes from two fields — the Bakken & Eagle Ford. While production has increased significantly in these two fields, it comes at a huge cost.
The typical Bakken oil well declines approximately 40% per year. That's right — oil wells in the Bakken are declining nearly ten times faster than the global 4-5% average discussed previously.
The chart below shows that the Bakken is losing an amazing 63,000 bd (barrels per day) of production as of December 2013. The trend remains unbroken through today.

Economically, the main strength and growth is in Australasia. Best country balance sheets too. Of the rest of the fucked up world, the US is not too bad on a relative scale. Don't see what upside they think they are achieving damaging the worlds largest economic community though- the EU, which is one of their major trading (and security) partners. Damaging Russia just damages the EU, and drives it into closer alliance with China. Whats the upside? Guess we'd have to speak to the dominant US bosses (BigBiz, MI complex, Israel) to get that picture. But they never tell the truth.

We've had an ex-PM of Australia, Malcolm Fraser (a conservative) advocating that Australia should distance itself from the USA- too damaging to our growing trade links with China, SE Asia, India etc. That's where the growth is. He thinks that Pine Gap, Nullangar and Exmouth should be evicted, given five years notice. Interesting times.

Originally Posted by sabang

Economically, the main strength and growth is in Australasia. Best country balance sheets too. Of the rest of the fucked up world, the US is not too bad on a relative scale. Don't see what upside they think they are achieving damaging the worlds largest economic community though- the EU, which is one of their major trading (and security) partners. Damaging Russia just damages the EU, and drives it into closer alliance with China. Whats the upside? Guess we'd have to speak to the dominant US bosses (BigBiz, MI complex, Israel) to get that picture. But they never tell the truth.

We've had an ex-PM of Australia, Malcolm Fraser (a conservative) advocating that Australia should distance itself from the USA- too damaging to our growing trade links with China, SE Asia, India etc. That's where the growth is. He thinks that Pine Gap, Nullangar and Exmouth should be evicted, given five years notice. Interesting times.

The US has more people on welfare and at part time jobs then the population of most countries.

What data are you looking at ? To come to the conclusion that the US economy is doing good on a relative basis ?

Originally Posted by Kurgen

Just wait till the Chinks get started

The old American propaganda myth.
Heard it in the Cold War.
The Chinese are shopkeepers, they sell goods, that is their stealth strength.