Thread: Neocons Try To Start War with China

Interesting article here:

Did Donald Rumsfeld and his Neocon all-star team of Wolfowitz, Feith, Cambone and DiRita – with backing from John Bolton at State - actually attempt to provoke a war with China? Did they do their best to stir up President Chen Shui-bian and his Taiwanese independence movement to derail U.S.-Chinese relations? This is the charge that Colin Powell’s chief of staff, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, has leveled. And he’s being backed up on every word by the diplomat who would have been best positioned to know, the senior U.S. envoy to Taiwan in the period.

Congressional Quarterly’s Jeff Stein reports:

With the election of George W. Bush in 2000, some of Taiwan’s most fervent allies were swept back into power in Washington, particularly at the Pentagon, starting with Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld. They included such key architects of the Iraq War as Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary, Douglas Feith, the undersecretary for policy, and Steven Cambone, Rumsfeld’s new intelligence chief, Wilkerson said. President Bush’s controversial envoy to the United Nations, John Bolton, was another.


While Bush publicly continued the one-China policy of his five White House predecessors, Wilkerson said, the Pentagon “neocons” took a different tack, quietly encouraging Taiwan’s pro-independence president, Chen Shui-bian. “The Defense Department, with Feith, Cambone, Wolfowitz [and] Rumsfeld, was dispatching a person to Taiwan every week, essentially to tell the Taiwanese that the alliance was back on,” Wilkerson said, referring to pre-1970s military and diplomatic relations, “essentially to tell Chen Shui-bian, whose entire power in Taiwan rested on the independence movement, that independence was a good thing.”

Wilkerson’s parting comment is telling. “They are dangerous men who will lie about almost anyone or anything,” Wilkerson angrily responded by e-mail, singling out Feith, DiRita, Cheney and Rumsfeld for scorn.
Indeed, the record isn’t closed on that, but the record supporting Wilkerson’s charges is pretty heavy at this point.
"Rumsfeld’s China Policy" by Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine)

Prior to 9/11 China was seen as the primary security concern especially by Dr.Rice who is more of a neo-realist than a neo con.

They had ambitous war plans concerning South-America as well, securing oil supplies and bringing "freedom" to the region.
Unbelievable the American public did not realise just who they were reelecting in 2004, a people who pride themselves (justly or not) of liberating Europe from the Nazis, supporting the same aggressive militarism and expansive nationalism in their own country!

Talking thru your hat again,,

Post the link where you got that, I want to see it.

The link is there, right after the first paragraph !!!!

Originally Posted by blackgang

Post the link where you got that, I want to see it.

No particular 'link', I got this from various sources, including snooping around right-wing blogs to see what is advocated there. Sickening stuff, haven't looked for a while.

Ok, to satisfy your request for a 'link':

An airbase at Manta, Ecuador is one of the key US military bases in Latin America. One hour flight time from the Colombian border, Manta and Ecuador are perhaps soon to play the role that Honduras played in the 1980s: the launching point for wide scale covert military and mercenary operations. Manta has become the USA's central Latin American electronic espionage site and hosts regular spy plane flights over Colombia. The US has several other military installations in Ecuador apart from Manta and is seeking access to key ports.

Bush Goes South (January 14, 2004)
Try these:
Secret Invasion: US Troops Steal into Paraguay
ANNCOL : Analysis: The Empire and the Cia against Latin America [First part]
CIA Announces New Mission in Venezuela and Cuba - Looking Glass News « Dissident

Do you believe that the overflys of Colombia is for the take over of the country and their vast oil resources or might it be related to the drug trade??
As far as I have ever seen that is mostly the interest in most of south/Central America.
Even as far as Venezuela goes, their oil industry is no great shakes and nothing to fight over, they only pump 2.8 Mil Barrels a day. The state of Oklahoma pumps more than that.

The CIA and military advisors tend to hold opinions different from yours.

Well when I knew em they were kinda interested in all countrys of the world and who was doing the leading, and if you didn't want to lead as was expected in DC, then they might have a hand in unseating you, but as far as actual control of the country, Never.

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Prior to 9/11 China was seen as the primary security concern especially by Dr.Rice who is more of a neo-realist than a neo con.

You're right. Rice was set to make a major speech outlining the adminstration's plan forward on North Korea right when 9/11 hit. They were all geared up to tackle issues in east asia.